Any way to differentiate LSD vs 2ce?

Exactly 24 hours ago I sampled some more of the vial of Euro Acid I just purchased. I had no obligations for two consecutive days and this was my first "home test" of this batch even though I had already tripped on this LSD four days previously; although the set & setting was not truly ideal.

Basically four days ago I drove 3 hours to meet a friend I hadn't seen in 6 years, also in an unfamiliar yet notable town, that would be able to hook me up with a vial. Of course I wanted to try it before I spent that much money, so I had consumed 1 drop and it was a nice time considering. I did, however notice a bit of body load at the time.

Now after reflecting a bit about last night and also doing a rough bit of research about LSD body load, I've gathered that many people don't experience significant tension but others say they do. I'm not suggesting that LSD has no physiological effects on the body. I also did some research on 2ce also known as "liquid acid" since it is frequently sold as LSD and both drugs have very very similar effects. Now I'm a bit concerned that this Euro Acid that I bought is in fact 2ce instead. Or maybe it actually is LSD and any anxiety I'm feeling is psychosomatic?


Things I noticed during the trip (3 drops, in the comfort of my apt):

- Visuals: fairly intense at times--some melting, size distortions, plane of vision sometimes skewing to the side, waves of color combining with other waves of color fractalizing into swirls of magnificent hues which would morph into various beautiful organisms. Some other things as well. Visually I was convinced it was LSD.

-Mindscape: it was there sometimes I guess. I was overly analytical about what I was experiencing. The visuals I experienced went hand in hand with the emotions that were in frequent rotation, which also went hand in hand with the thoughts rushing by with no time to explore any of them. 90% of the trip I couldn't help but focus on the body load and nothing else. This made me wait patiently for the trip to end, sort of blunt agony is the best way to describe it.

-Body Load: All of my muscles seemed to be tense, some jaw clenching which is normal, dry and heavy throat, saliva also more noticeable than normal. No major nausea. I kept rolling around trying to find a comfortable spot for 2 hours of the trip ---> vasoconstriction I presume. Just because of the body load I was just patiently waiting for the trip to end. There were times where I would just stay still, focus on the music, the visuals and I would be perfectly normal and when this happened colors blossomed like no other. This was rare. I took a walk on a nature trail and this seemed to help but after 5-10 mins I got the muscle tension and my hands seemed to be twitching again.


So what's the deal? Is it possible I have 2ce instead of LSD? Is it all psychosomatic? Am I tripping properly (I tend to get hung up on the visuals and their emotional affect on me with music)? Did I trip again too soon? Was I just unfamiliar with this particular dosage? So many questions!!! Ahhhhhh!

I appreciate everyone's thoughts and please don't get into the Clean vs Dirty Acid debate. Although my first trip on blotter I experienced no tension at all, in fact I felt highly euphoric during the peak.


Thank you:2thumbsup:

 

Everything you described sounds like it could be LSD. I have not heard of 2ce being passed off as LSD in any form, there have been several reports of various other suspected lysergamides (drugs related to LSD) being sold as LSD and I would suspect it would be something more along the lines of that rather than 2ce.

 

sounds like it was just a higher dose of LSD (3 hits vs. 1 can make quite a difference)

2ce would likely cause nausea/stomach cramps
2ce would have a nasty taste, unless it was masked with something
and 3 drops of 2ce dissolved in liquid would likely do NOTHING

sounds like you have LSD or possibly an analogue that is very close to it

doesn't sound like 2ce at all

 

^^^ I might consider that Pork. I have enough hits to last my friends and I like 1-2 years and isn't it all about spreading the love anyway. PM me. Although your avatar isn't very comfortingoliceman:

Thanks for the replies. Any advice on how to relieve the anxiety and the tenseness I apparently experience when I trip? I've heard drinking a couple beers before dropping works for some. That's something I''l probably try next time in a couple weeks,

 

maybe a lower dose?

2 hits instead of 3

 

Haha of course

Perhaps, but I've got to say as uncomfortable as 3 hits was the visuals were awesome.

 

Not only is this the first time I have ever heard of 2c-e being called "liquid acid" (acid is the one that is always dissolved in liquid, 2c-e is a powder), their effects are so incredibly different that there is no way in hell you could ever mistake the two, at any dosage. I have done both and they are very, very different.

Unfortunately your description of the visuals would work for just about every psychedelic out there that causes visuals. You could have been talking about mushrooms, LSD, 2c-e, 2c-b, 2c-t-7, mescaline, DMT . . . visual differences between psychedelics are very, very hard to describe, I imagine you would have to be both an artist and a poet to be able to successfully capture in words any of the true differences of flavor between them all. With that caveat, your visuals still sound like LSD visuals to me 2c-e visuals are very different, you use words like "melting", "fractalizing", "morph", "hue" . . . those are not words I would use to describe 2c-e so much, it's much more "electric", "shifting", "alien" etc.

You describe being very analytical and having synesthesia, again this is common to many, many psychedelics, not just LSD and 2c-e. It also again doesn't help us determine which one it was sadly.

Again, this could be anything, and your lack of nausea makes it seem like it's LSD if anything. 2c-e causes very predictable GI discomfort. You not being able to get comfortable for 2 hours has nothing to do with vasoconstriction, and everything to do with anxiety. Vasoconstriction would make your fingers and toes tingle, your skin turn pale, etc. On my last acid trip I spent the come up rolling around uncomfortably as well, it happens a lot, not just on acid, every psychedelic has a relatively difficult come up that often includes a kind of disquieting energy and restlessness.

I think the only sign this was 2c-e is that you mention nothing of euphoria, which 2c-e is kind of wonky with, however given you were overly fixated on somatic complaints and your entire consciousness was geared at thinking "visuals = win", this could easily be explained by a poor set. Visuals are honestly one of the least important parts of most trips and it's a shame that most people out there think they are basically the entirety of the experience.

2c-e requires much bigger doses than LSD, lasts shorter by a few hours (~6-8 vs ~8-12), and is much more of a "lie down and melt into the sensations" kind of experience than a lucid, walk around, analyze things experience. This is in my experience. I have found zero analytical component to 2c-e, while LSD is by far the best analytical psychedelic.

The difference between 1 hit and 3 hits is monumental as well. Next time just take care of set and setting better, and don't wait around wasting your time getting hung up on the visuals. There's a whole universe you're missing the focus on emotions with music though, that I can dig

 

A very simple way to solve this question is to ask you what the liquid tasted like. Did it taste like anything? A lot of L vials ive come across that were actual L that were in breath mint bottles still have a slight smell and taste of breath mint but def watered down. You would be able to taste the 2c in a vial such as that. If it had a strong taste then its possible to be a 2c however i myself when i dose 2c-e i get strong body buzz euphoria. like its unmistakable and you surely would have noted it and written it down so really its that and taste so let us kno the taste you had

i love hearing about what others experience on RC's. For myself 2c-e has never lasted for under 8 hours. its always been between 8 and 14 hours. and on 2c-e i would rather be walking around somewhere for the most part, but i'll reach certain destinations and sit and enjoy the electric body buzz. 2c-e for me again differs from your experience because i find 2c-e to be one of the best analytical psychedelics i have done. once again i love how everything affects everyone differently.

apologize for a slight derailment :cheers2:

 

That's true man, and I forgot about the body buzz, definitely has an almost mushroomy thing going on more than a LSD thing. Dosage is also huge here, I'm talking about 60mg 2c-e vs. 3 hits of acid. If I was talking about 15mg 2c-e vs. 3 hits of acid it would be a lot less dramatically obvious how different they were, but still quite obvious.

Also Faux, what's the come up time for your vial? if it's 20-30 minutes, it's LSD, if it's 1-2 hours, it's possible it's LSD or 2c-e

 

Writer got it.

Describing psychedelics is better done through pictures. Guerillabedlam made a good thread with lots of them, check it out. Not that it will help you that much, but maybe, and it's interesting how accurate they are, and how much they can elicit feelings from those drugs, at least for me.

Do you have any reason for thinking it's 2ce, or did you just hear that name? Because there's dozens/hundreds/thousands of things it COULD be. But more realistically, there's few things that could be mistaken for LSD, if dosed in the manner that you would dose LSD (not held under the tongue for extended times or sprayed in the nose, etc), and in a similar amount.

If these are normal sized drops, like, small, I highly doubt that they could hold very much past a threshold 2ce dose in full suspension, but I could be wrong. LSD/lysergemides, bromo dragonfly, DOX, and a few others could do it, but it's likely just LSD.

Also, does the liquid look cloudy, or clear? If it's cloudy, there's more to support the idea of a chemical with higher dosings.

*edit* don't get hung up because not every trip is the same that's the nature of psychedelics, they magnify and build on your current state and mindset and surroundings. I know people who swear up and down they can feel differences between batches of acid, between "needlepoint" and "fluff", and all the rest of that bullshit. That's just what it is: bullshit. There might be a few similar chemicals sold as acid, but these guys are getting the same shit on different pretty pictures, and it is exactly the same. Set, and setting.

 

This whole paragraph is win.

This might be the most telling. 2C's taste horrible. Really bad. LSD in and of itself is tasteless odorless colorless. Except for any taste from the medium it's on or whatever else.

 

We say this about LSD, yes.

But I have a feeling you just haven't taken enough LSD.

 

I remember having a metallic coin-y like taste when I dropped acid... But it wasn't like immediately, in fact I remembered when I first put it on my ton, I was like "shit this stuff is sketch, no taste, oder, color" I was almost wondering if I was just given paper. But after awhile it tasted like a coin, and my whole tongue had this weird taste to it... idk what else to compare it to tho.

 

This is probably true. :2thumbsup:

That is a very common comment.

 

Being able to differentiate between LSD and 2C-E is an ability taken for granted by seasoned LSD users.

Until you've had quality LSD, it is very difficult to know what exactly it is you have taken. Bear in mind, a lot of kids are buying LSD from people who buy it from people who buy it &c from people who do not store it properly or it gets funked with in some way.

My rule of thumb is that if you eat a few hits and are unable to fall asleep within 5 - 6 hours, your shits whacked out cuddy. I used to have a lot of false ideas about LSD until I got to try it from my brothers source. This was after 9 years of thinking my hundreds of acid trips were totally legit. It turns out I'd only had a few.

LSD visuals are very dreamy and calm as compared to anything else I've tried. I haven't swam too deep into the RC world, but I've taken enough to become aware of the sharp contrast. As Writer mentioned, the word "electric" is a good description of 2C-E in comparison; the problem is that psychedelic drugs are highly unpredictable and a large dose of LSD can become quite a different thing altogether and leave you confused.

Crystal is a lot of fun to play with. A beautiful thing to watch Also, there is very little anxious nervous energy to LSD, not that it doesn't occur, but it's not too bad. No sore muscles, no tension, no jitters, it's a very comfy ride. Vasoconstriction is rarely an issue unless panic settles in. I've had shit that turned my hands purple in the middle of summer while watching the neon end of the world above a garden on 4 hits, and it bothered everyone else spun out with me. Then I had my little brother at 18 years old consume the rest of an entire jar of my current stuff, I estimated around 120 hits, having NEVER taken ANY psychedelic before in his life, and while it was a bumpy ride, he was straight in 10 hours. Imagine what would have happened had that not been so clean? ouch!

 

i found 2ce to give me quite a euphoric body high

and i've found it to last just as long, if not longer, than LSD

i've found 2ce to be pretty analytical as well, like hippified RCer

i have no idea what "cuddy" means. but are you saying that on "real" LSD you should be able to sleep 5 hours after dosing?
sounds very wrong to me

 

That is absolutely what I am saying. I can assure you that I know what I am talking about pork, and if your still in Jersey, theres a good chance that I know exactly where your acid is coming from, if you've been eating anything local in the past two years. By local, I mean the east coast. The highest quality going around right now in the North East is the Czech, there is a batch that just touched down last week that will be coming out soon, look for an Egyptian pattern this time instead of the Hindu / Buddhist prints and white on white from last year.

The Czech acid however came in as liquid last summer, so it went out on all kinds of differet paper, so a lot of people did not even know what it actually was. I remember that kid pr0ne posting about it though, calling it by name, though I don't know what kind of paper he was handling.

There was a weak print that just went around last month; this has been corrected. I'm not sure what went wrong but it ended up at no more than 100ug per square on average, and I don't know who fucked it up. I know who you are, too, pork lol. Remember Stayloose? I haven't heard from him in a few years. I've seen you post about shivas and so on in concert with Writer, and I am not familiar with the source of that river, but I've sampled it and it's definitely legit. I normally don't talk too much on here for many reasons, but nor do I make shit up. I am not saying that LSD is a soporific...

 

The names refer to the method of synthesis, the ergot alkaloids (Ergotamine, Ergometrine, Ergocristine) used as precursor, the purification process, and ultimately on the street to the final purity of the crystal and what it has been dissolved in (normally alcohol), (needlepoint, fluff, lavender &c). There has been plenty of discussion as to wether or not any impurities leftover from a sloppy purification could possibly have any effect and the general internet consensus has been no. I've known kids to clean it up in hotel rooms. I am of the opinion that there is a difference when it comes to purity. High quality LSD is gentle and joyful, the visuals are intense but the trip itself is not at all as disorienting as some of the other lower quality I've had, even in very high doses. Now, I'd never be so dull and ostentatious as to tell someone "Oh this is needlepoint, for shewr bro!" because I've never gone through the trials and am not responsible for making the initial connexions. What it always comes down to in these discussions is "LSD is LSD, you either got it or you got something else" but the reality is that the amount of care and attention that is put into producing this reaction will determine it's quality. A sloppy job leaves a sloppy product. People seem to be under the impression that LSD is only being made in a hanful of multi million dollar laboratories...

 

I didn't research 2c as in-depth as I wanted to. I had also just finished peaking so reading was oftentimes both fun and frustrating. The words were constantly changing fonts, paragraphs would float away, certain letters would shrink. Haha some cool things happened. After a while I just gave up.

I did not have any noticeable nausea and from what I've gathered from the replies it's probably not 2ce. However, the body load was so bad and practically ruined the entire trip for me. I can compare it to being almost DXM-like--sort of a robotic tenseness. There was something very peculiar about it that worries me. I couldn't relax, I couldn't stay still, my body seemed like it was pulsing most notably felt in my fingers and face. I wasn't sure if I was hot or cold. Super uncomfortable.

There was not much euphoria this time. This was also the first time I dropped by myself.

Honestly I first thought LSD was all about the visuals and after my first few experiences I still put a lot of emphasis on the amazing things I see. If anyone is familiar with the show Futurama I can compare my visuals to that: things are very satirical, sarcastic, and playful. Often whatever I'm thinking about manifests in whatever I'm looking at. One of the weirdest yet sort of humorous examples was when I looked at an old black and white baseball plaque. It was a picture of a baseball player jumping midair in celebration with the ball in his right hand, the crowd behind him. All of sudden this baseball player is Hitler doing his nazi salute and the entire crowd behind him starts doing the whole heil hitler thing.:gnorsi: This all stemmed from one casual thought of "hmm that guy sort of looks like a nazi" and my visuals exploded into this whole elaborate scene that repeats itself.

So the way I see it it's as if the tangents I go through in my head are directly related with my visuals and supplement my thoughts which I find extremely useful, invigorating, and sometimes also terrifying. I'm not exactly sure how or what else I should focus on during a trip. I wouldn't mind a bit of constructive criticism or some advice for future trips.

I had three drops from a visine bottle. Taste wasn't too bad, sort of minty yet metallic as well. Some blotter I've had before had an awful metallic taste and the first time I dropped blotter it was tasteless and amazing. This is the first liquid I've ever had and the drops I think are fairly large.

I've never had a trip where I was peaking in 30 minutes. I started to feel it at the 1 hour mark and started ascending to full peak within another hour. Peak lasted until the 5 hour mark, plateau until hour 8, steady comedown until hour 12. After that it was just an afterglow of slight fractals but they never go away until I sleep it off.

The liquid has a very slight greenish tint but that could just be what it was diluted with. Basically the body load is what concerned me, it was twitchy and I felt temperature fluctuation. When I dose again in a few weeks hopefully it was just the set and not the acid I have. I hope.

^^^ This.

Thats the thing I've probably never had quality acid, maybe my first time because it was such a clean and dreamy experience but it could have been this way since it was my first time.

All in all, I sort of enjoyed myself and learned a little bit more from the experience. But it would be 100000x better if I wasn't so damn tense.

 

This is from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSM-775

Alot of the regulars around here chalk things up to set and setting in regards to LSD. In the past I was no exception to that but reports like yours keep coming in and I've kind of reached a point where I have to think some of you new posters have taken enough LSD to have a clue what you are talking about and can pick up on these noticeable differences enough to warrant making these threads.