Abortion, (esp live birth abortions..)

Cps workers are underpaid and overworked. They face budget cuts every year.

The irony of this is that the same people that oppose abortion are also likely to oppose allocating funding for social programs that protect and care for children when their parents are unable to care for them properly.

 

Meliai, most people that are hesitant to monetarily support social programs is because they're aren't well run, and more money is not going to make them more efficient.

 

And that's a valid argument.

Unfortunately, the argument I hear more often is along the lines of, the government is not your baby daddy.

 

There is some fraud where women are having more babies in order to get more support. There are also foster parents that bring in more kids to get more stipends. These cases scrap the bottom, and taxpayers don't like it. As with many government programs......we need reform reform reform.

 

I agree.

 

EDIT: Corrected

 

I second that. Reform is needed for sure and to make sure foster parents are suited to be foster parents. One of my high school friends became a foster child at age 15, and within the following 3 years after that she would tell me these horror stories about her foster parents and the "siblings" she was with (aka: the foster parent's biological children).

 

No that's not it. I can't speak for everyone that took issue with your earlier posts, but in my case it's not your belief that got me agitated with you. You totally have the right to have this opinion on abortion.

The issue was that your position/belief is dismissive of the gray areas that need to be addressed as genuine problems because any speculative changes in the law would impact people in the gray areas. They are not simply liberal counter-arguments that are "echoed" as you put it for no reason. Not to mention when someone calls someone immoral or evil (making it a personal attack at this point) just over a difference of opinion that heats things up. And usually it's always conservatives that try to make the association of liberal = immoral and/or evil.

Anyway those "live birth" abortions (partial birth abortions) are from what I understand banned under US law, I don't know what course of action that leads you with StpLSD but that's up to you.


You can't legislate morality, people gonna do what they gonna do and they may or may not feel regret afterwards and that's life.

 

Those are the ones who don't believe that people can cooperate, and that because they personally are alone, everyone else must be too.

Waa, I run off all my potential friends, so you can't have any help....

 

Yes it is no one should be able to force a child on a woman! Correction no MAN should force a child on a woman.

 

Should a woman be able to force a child on a man?

 

unless she jumps on his dick while he's sleeping, i don't think that's really possible.

 

In that case it was a mutual decision. The Dr could have been female. That wasn't really the point, though.

 

We're not talking physically, obviously.

There are many ways that women can really fuck guys over, and guys have no legal recourse, while the women have all sorts of help for simply not being guys.

Nobody will like a guy who says he's using a condom when he's not, or some shit like that. But it's just how things are, when women say they're on the pill or whatever..... in fact, I expect that a guy could be charged with rape for that, but a woman? Fat chance.

 

Well he put that thing in her

 

Women can be just at fault for getting pregnant, despite claiming that the man put his penis in me, because it is a proven fact that the penis will respond to stimulation even if the man does not want to engage in sex. Besides, I believe more women attempt to become pregnant in order to blackmail the man into staying in the relationship and caring for a child he does not want.

 

Maelstrom, that is the stupidest idea ever if women really do that. What a miserable life that would result.

 

My point (that's been made already several times) was that when a woman becomes pregnant, she can make a choice. If she's not ready to be a parent for whatever reason, then she can have an abortion and completely walk away from the burden of parenthood. Men have no choice either way.

Billy doesn't have any say whether or not Suzy gets an abortion. If he wants the kid but she doesn't......well too bad. If Billy isn't ready for a kid but Suzy decides to have the Baby, well too bad for Billy he's paying child support for 18 years.....no matter what.

It's not fair that Suzy can decide whether or not to be a parent, even after pregnancy...but Billy will be held accountable for Suzy's decision.

 

Everyone's personally responsible for what they do with their own body. Man puts his penis in girl, he's responsible. Girl allows him to enter her, she's responsible. It goes both ways.

 

Unfortunately, life isn't fair.