Abortion, (esp live birth abortions..)

Ok so I read more and they are saying although it's fairly developed it's not viable outside of the uterus. I dunno what's true and what's not so many different things are being said. If it's viable I think it's unessisary to kill it, if it's not then no harm no foul.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial-Birth_Abortion_Ban_Act

^Has that been posted yet here?

 

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If a couple (or a single person) can't have kids themselves, but want a child or children - then they are more likely to have considered their financial predicament.
Raising children is just so damn expensive.
I was adopted when I was a kid (7) - I only wanted a computer and a bike - didn't want anything else, really. I was low maintenance.
You don't have to be rich or wealthy - just have a normal income like any other normal mother and father.

 

The average cost of adoption is between 20k and 40k. I can't post a link because I'm on my phone but I just looked it up.

The cost is significantly cheaper adopting out of the foster system but most people want perfect newborn adoptions and are unwilling to adopt older kids.

Hey op, there's a solution. If you truly think the foster system is better than abortion why don't you try fostering a child?

 

US

Prospective adoptive parents may be concerned about the financial costs of adopting an infant or child and their ability to meet these costs. While becoming a parent is rarely free of expenses (even pregnancy and childbirth can be relatively expensive if there is inadequate insurance), adoptive parents often are faced with initial costs that can seem challenging. However, with planning and with knowledge about the different types of adoptions and available resources, they should be able to develop a budget that includes most of the foreseeable expenses.
Range of Adoption Costs

Foster Care Adoptions $0 - $2,500
Licensed Private Agency Adoptions $5,000 - $40,000+
Independent Adoptions $8,000 - $40,000+
Facilitated/Unlicensed Adoptions $5,000 - $40,000+
Intercountry Adoptions $7,000 - $30,000

http://costs.adoption.com/articles/the-costs-of-adopting-a-factsheet-for-families.html

UK

Adoption is unlikely to cost very much unless you are involved in a contested adoption and in these circumstances you are very likely to be supported financially by the adoption agency concerned.

Local authority social services adoption work - the home study, assessment and preparation is usually free of charge. If you are asking the local authority to do a home study in order that you can adopt a child from abroad they will often make a charge for this service. You may also need to be placed on a waiting list for a time. If you are required to pay for the home study the costs can mount up to be a very significant sum.

Voluntary adoption agencies depend upon financial contributions from individuals, companies and government to carry out their work.

Although there may not be a charge for their services any contribution from members of the public will usually be most welcome.

http://www.adoption.org.uk/information/cost_of_adoption.html

 

I guess my parents saved about 30 thousand pound by getting me at 7 But, seriously, a lot of people do want newborns. I guess I did not take into consideration private fostering/adoption services.

 

a life birth abortion seems ridiculous to me. once you've already gotten to that point, to kill the child is ridiculous! already alive and screaming, jeez.

but abortions in the first few months, i see no problem with. you know?

 

Did you read the last couple of pages? What do you think a 'live birth abortion' is?

 

I said CPS (Child protective services) Don't care about kids, and I attribute that to the fact that it's government employees and, a government agency. But personally, I would rather just have the chance to live. you're already assuming their life is going to be miserable, when in reality; they control their own lives; they may be "forced" to attend school, but once they turn 18, they are free individuals. Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that a majority of people who grew up in a foster home, don't regret their entire life because of it!!

Yeah, I mean it's possible. I would do an open adoption and see my kid once in awhile. My sisters adoption was like that. But honestly, taking everybody's opinion into account, I feel like it is an issue of morality. No offense to you guys, you're just insensitive to something people like me and calgirl are morally offended by. As everyone started off as a fetus, it is safe to say that the fetus is the seed which sprouts the individual, and holds life in essence.

There are 2 ways people interact, it's either through logic and reasoning, or through force. Abortion is literally force, it is forcing death upon a trapped life.

I feel the same as I felt. I think "partial" birth abortions should be banned like they were before Obama! and frankly, I still think people who protect abortion have no sense of humanity. It's not a dog, pig or some shit like that; it is essentially- Human, right?? It would be silly to argue that a fetus isn't in fact still Human. So Life is part of our Human Rights.

[FONT=&quot]We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. [/FONT]

I just wish people would stop using it primarily s a form of birth control. And I def don't think women should wait so long. I told you Dr. Ron Paul was my source and you all start flipping out. Have any of you ever seen a live birth abortion done? Have any of you delivered 4000 babies??


Sorry to be a dick but it's like; you're all pissed at me, giving negative reps (you know who you are,) because I'M RIGHT, and I'm telling the truth. But to the Liberals and Democrats of this country, womens choice is more important than human life.

I think if that individual had to grow up in a foster home, he would still rather life than to have not. Think about it, honestly!

 

why bother posting on a discussion forum if you're unwilling to even consider anyone else's opinion? you come here and post your view on a topic, but then get crazy and start throwing out insults as soon as someone disagrees with you. you repeat the same points over and over, conveniently skipping over any legitimate criticisms of your viewpoint, and act indignant that nobody can see how right you are.

 

no i did not, didn't even realize how many pages this thread had. hold up, i'll go back and read, then come back and offer my new opinion- my bad.

 

I understand other viewpoints. Abortions are legal; but morally, I disagree with that!

We hae the freedom of speech so that we can say very controversial things.

Liberals are the ones who echo their viewpoint "what if a girl gets raped? What if a girl is broke? etc etc etc. I'm a real person too you know, many girls who got abortions that I know, do regret in down the line. In fact, the only one girl I know who didn't regret it, is literally a selfish bitch anyway.


I know I'm offending a bunch of you, and I ahte to do so (because many of you wont shut up about things like this.)
However, This is how I have felt about it, I don't usually talk about it, cause I'm not fighting for abortion reform.

I just posted a topic cause I was angry that girl aborted my baby without even consulting me, then the moderator of this forum deleted my other topic.

So I decided to just straight up tell everybody how I felt, regardless of the disagreement. But honestly, I'm getting sick of fuckin talking and thinking about it-- I'm so over this conversation!!! I understand most people here, disagree with me. That's fine, you're insensitive with regards to the fetus being a human life, but wtf ever. I know the fetus is a life, and it is a human and imho it is entitled to life. But instead of bitching at me, why don't you Liberals try RESPECTING other peoples beliefs? Seriously, practice what you preach for a little while.
I find Live Birth Abortions Appalling, but you guys are literally getting mad at me for saying that.

 

(i went back and read)
this is all very interesting. perhaps there are situations where everything is reasonable.

what if a female and a male intentionally get pregnant (i've seen this happen) then a few months down the road, the male ditches the pregnant girl, and now she's left to take care of what would have been a nuclear family, but will not be a single mother raising a child. she now realizes she can't do this alone, she aborts.

if you can't give a child a good life, you shouldn't have a child. end of story. abortions are fine, so long as warranted by that means, in my opinion.


as for partial birth abortions- same concept. if they just can't support the child, why have it, why sentence a person to a shitty life?
although partial birth abortions seem really far down the line. why didn't you abort much earlier in the pregnancy?

i think i would abort before giving up a child for adoption.

 

It's used when the baby won't survive, and or is putting the mother at risk.
The argument seems to be that it does not matter if the baby is born with half a brain or lungs that leak blood or organs that wouldn't keep a door-mouse alive for five minutes - maybe you would die in childbirth. You have to have the baby.
This is a sad but poignant story of the dilemma...
http://barryyeoman.com/2001/10/i-had-an-abortion-when-i-was-six-months-pregnant/

 

Sue her stpl nothing will change unless someone starts the change.

 

D:<
ridiculous way of thinking. if a situation like that arises, should we condemn a child to a way of life that isn't normal, and also motherless, or should we allow the mother to give it another shot, down the road?
answer seems obvious to me...

 

The answer seems obvious to me too.

Early abortion is a broader question and I can see that is a grey area. But when the baby is too sick to survive and is potentially putting your life at risk - it is pretty obvious.

 

And Christian Republicans too...
http://barryyeoman.com/2001/10/i-had-an-abortion-when-i-was-six-months-pregnant/