A Design of The MInd

in reading one of my old psy professor's books just recently
given me i became intrigued with his description of a psychogram .
it is a map of the mind . like a mandala , it's a metaphysical design
of relationships within a whole .

at the center is your sun . this is the idea you understand most
completely and by its light you see all your world .

your world has 4 primary deignations .

below : the Root
left of center : the Whispering
right of center :the Sharing
above : the Wisdom

Transformation ... peace to that which is only
once given and is unchangeable - the Root .

i can cofide to you that at my center is the understanding
of transformation . above this is wild nature . i suppose i
see this wildness as a philosophy that i trust .

and then i did a psychogram for a meth head who is up
against the wall - it's either prison or recovery . that is ,
if Matt doesn't complete the therapy program he has enrolled
in he shall be transported to the state penitentiary unconditionally
(relating to a prior conviction of theft and most recently a parole
violation) .

at his center is a symbol . it is and has been opposition .
would that necessarily mean anything bad ? to effect a
transformation at the center would be intense .
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What do you whisper or does articulate pronouncement defy it's purpose?

 

i wondered about that . whispered , protected , to be revealed in confidence . it could be quite too beautiful .

 

I like the idea of personal confidence as opposed to concealment. I whisper a lot because I have no need for justification, self assurance maybe.

 

would you choose a symbol from the Peace Language
to represent your center of intellligence and reveal it ?

 

My reference for that is ninety miles away right now. In english my center has no edges.

 

now i'd be sposing SNAKE is in your middle . at first i thought
of THUNDER POWER but i'd spec that'd more likely of thy Root .

 

How would you translate that?

If my center has no edges there are no cardinal directions.

 

acknowledging 4 directions is only an old tradition . the psychogram
i am playing with has 17 positions .

what should be translated ? how much have i learned about you
through your writings ... enough to doodle a sketch

 

Why any of this utter nonsene when we have the emerging wonders of neuroscience? We don't need to make it up any more...we're starting to get real answers about what our brains look like and how they function. There's a way to go, but the logical route is obviously to begin with what is already known rather than making a load of stuff up or going with whatever sounds the prettiest and makes you feel like a lovely floaty spiritual being.

 

I'm sure brain science makes your personal choices in life so much easier.

What's it to you? I would be willing to bet it is your past you hold against him, not his.

 

to begin with what is already known ... that is a strategy for
social knowing . it can be shared . what you do for self-knowing
can be far more adventurous , of personal necessity .

why just last night i heard a presentation on neuroscience . it's ok .
the philosophy of science has like any philosophy a boundary . it
cannot contain all of meaningfulness .

nonsense is a critical element of conciousness . it is
wild . the aaaaa at the end of an indian joke . sense
will not exclude good nonsense , udderly .

moo

what's it to yoo ? i could do your psychogram and discover
it somewhat . not that i'd reveal it . or would i ? i play with
the science of randomness which is a useful , clever toy .

aha , i see thy center . you're quite the jokester born
of the queen of hearts .

 

It is too me.

We are natively endowed.

A loon knows nothing of ingenuity as it is after all ingenuous, that is artless, in comparison to loonyness.

 

If you want to cut the crap and display how the "psychogram" can have any real meaning, then by all means, go ahead. I'm a willing and open-minded subject. I'd love to discover something new about the way the world works. I highly suspect, however, that you'll do no such thing and would rather go on spouting words which look pretty than actually get down to any form of real investigation.

Present this as a new finding and treat it with the seriousness that would deserve, or present it as something nonsensical but pretty. You can't have it both ways. At the moment this is clearly the latter, and so my original opinion stands...I'd rather look at the real thing than waste time with aimless wordplay.

 

That reference means nothing to me whatsoever.

 

there is one form of investigation - to participate . have you
no possible motive ?

i respect the psychotherapist who designed this
psychogram template . i gave it to my meth-head
nephew . he seemed pleased with it and has since
completed a professional therapy program , one
based on a philosophical self-knowing . they helped
him design a new mind - except for the root . peace
to that which is once given and cannot be transformed .

the terms of your challenge are not accepted , Wild One .
take them to a psych therapist . that would also be participation .

 

I'm glad your nephew is in therapy. However, a person you know having said he liked the idea of the "psychogram" goes nowehere towards making it any less fantastical.

As for participation, what do you think I'm doing here? The fact that I'm not taking a completely unproven concept which not only goes against some major scientific principles but also sounds suspiciously like a new age fairy story seriously doesn't mean I'm not contributing to discussion. Any theory which whimpers and cries injustice in the face of skepticism is probably, as I've said before, no more than pretty nonsense.

If this is just pretty nonsense created for the sake of poetry or art, then fine. As I said originally, I would rather focus on what's real.

I'm sorry that a poster simply pointing out that your theory is unscientific has offended you so much that you've felt the need to lash out in a personal attack. However, the implication that I should seek therapy has not insulted me. Psychology is my main area of interest at the moment, so I heartily agree that many people could benefit from such action. That said, the irony of your expression didn't escape me.

 

i believe you quest the power of discernment .

since you are playing with me in a psychic forum I'll
continue responding in that mode - and i'm doing this with
carefulness .

humans , of all the animals , are adept with symbols . a
handful of these symbols are especially important to fingermouse .
a consideration of Power is important at this time though it's
not a primary . you would relate having power to your concern with
Existence : your self-understanding of existence is presently in
motion and extremely so , like a dragon flying about in your head .

i see another primary : Opposition

this , i hope , would be your focus of practiced discernment . one
thing i think about opposition is that creatively 'tis the art of
a stone carver . hammers on stone , opposite(neg.) space . any
stone carver i ever met has been sorta ornery .

Opposition : a spoonful of honey and jalapena~ ,
and thassa all i give ya . are you going to puke it ?

 

All of this has clearly come from your head. I see you've made the mistake of assuming that because I don't share your views and wish to express skepticism, I intend to play some game for the sake of my own ego. This is a classic error - rational, logical and scientific people are often presumed closed-minded and arrogant. I used to repeat this misconception myself.

As it happens, people who think and enquire the way I do now are, by their very nature, open to possibility. The whole point in challenging theories which sound completely fallacious is to get nearer to the truth of the matter.

I couldn't give a crap about who's using the better words in the psychic section of some lesser-known internet forum...what I care about is the brain. Your responses to my challenge, which displayed nothing but defensiveness - a desire to cover your own back and discredit me- have suggested that you do not really share this interest at all. All you want to do is toy with words in a fashion which completely detracts from the issue at hand.

You're really doing nothing at all for your "psychogram" right now. If that isn't the topic you want to discuss unless everyone is saying "woah man that sounds cool", why the original post?

 

i thought to share what i'd been doing with some
long-established friends in the psychic forum . all
replies have been appreciated , but since we are psy
none were asked for .