2nd amendment supporters

Anyone else here support the right to bear arms, I.E guns including the "assault weapons" which really aren't since they are semi automatics

 

I don't support taking away guns. I don't own a gun, I don't need one. But I do fail to see why anybody needs a semi automatic assault weapon. If you need that for deer hunting, as some around here say, you better go take some shooting lessons.

 

Who said it would be used for deer hunting. These "assault weapons" are purely aesthetic, many of them come in .22 if i put a pistol grip on my shotgun or just have a pistol grip on it, its automatically an assault weapon, just so you know there are calibers stronger , or just as deadly as .223. We often use these for sporting. Also again they are used to defend from possible foreign invaders. I know it is very unlikely but I still like to be prepared, and also, I'm not hurting anybody, i just really like to shoot these cartridges, and if done responsibly, just like marijuana...whats the harm

 

also again only outlaws will have these weapons,and I like to feel on equal playing ground. if some gang bangers decide to roll up on my house firing their weapons ( its highly unlikely but then again it does still happen sometimes.) I am not going to go against them with a .22. or a 10 round pistol..I am going to go at them, with a 30 round magazine so i can defend myself longer without the need to reload. If an emp were to happen the military would be fucked and it'd be up to us to defend our homeland, can't do that unless properly armed against your threat
*puts on tin foil hat*

 

I don't like guns. Don't like violence. I love the Constitution. I will gladly fight for our right to keep an arsenal of weapons in you own personal living room. All kinds. Any kind. How else can we keep our employees in DC from becoming too unruly? How else do you folks expect our magnificent Constitution to be defended? Why do think barry obama wants to make us defenseless?

 

This guy...this guy gets it I like guns, I dislike unnecessary violence, I enjoy target shooting as well.

 

Sorry RIPTIDE,I don't mean to pick on you,just believe that everyones argument so far here is wrong. In the UK we've had our share of nutjobs going on killing sprees. Our response is ,I believe,the right one-get guns out of the civilian community (including criminal community) period!

I do not want the 'right' to defend myself with firearms.I do not want to have to. Thats why I vote & pay my taxes,so that my government will ensure that we are protected by a professionaly equiped , trained & effective police force. That includes rigerous prevention-minimising gun ownership,aggresively seeking out illegaly kept weapons & dissuading criminals (thru strict sentencing) from using firearms ,fake or real.

The argument that you need to keep weapons to defend yourself against your government is a myth. Do you seriously believe that you can match the firepower of the most powerful armed force in the world? Bearing arms for those reasons is symbolic,tokenism. Your Constitution was written at a time when your armed forces were not much better equiped than individuals & civilian militia. The 2nd Ammendment no longer 'speaks to' reality.

Every couple of weeks theres incidents of real tragedy in the US thanks to the glut of guns too easily available. No other country in the world would call itself civilised with such a record. I'm talking about children at schools,innocents going about their lawful business-how about writing up an Ammendment for them & their rights?

The 2nd Ammendment is a liability humanity cannot afford. Forget the siege mentality of your 200-odd year old ancestors & work on creating a responsible & compassionate democracy that IS of its people & worthy of you.

 

Tell that to the Afgans who've held off two superpowers so far. Also it's kept hushed up but there are areas of this country where the feds don't roam freely.

 

http://www.davekopel.org/2A/LawRev/american-revolution-against-british-gun-control.html

It is not symbolic. It worked when the brits (the bloody bugger lot of them) tried to take away arms from the colonists. It will work if there are enough citizens in USA keeping and bearing arms. At the time the brits were the most powerful armed force in the world and they got there arses handed to them. The US govt does not possess the means to quell a general and pervasive armed uprising against their tyranny. That is why there is so much movement underfoot in the govt. to take away the right to keep and bear arms. The govt. wants to ensure their authority (even when it takes away the liberty of the citizenry). The govt., in fact, every power base, is constrained by the ability of those being ruled over to remove those in power.

The US is a republic. Not having the means to protect oneself against tyranny of govt. is a liability against humanity.

 

It's unrealistic to compare a tiny, relatively densely populated country like England to the entire U.S. And while Europeans may have given up on the idea of freedom centuries ago, most of us here, excepting mainly the most egalitarian, over educated, and weakest members of our society, still believe in the idea, and the gun, the tool that made this country, is a symbol of that.

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We have violence in Europe too but year on year the figures for violent crime are coming down. Yes , Uk is a lot smaller & densely populated but it too is a very diverse society. We have a Constitution too but ours is unwritten,developing with the times,reinterpreted by each generation within a democracy to keep it relevant. We too have our crisis & disagreements. Please don't think I'm saying we're better than you guys but we hold our freedom just as dearly.

Yet you see us as having given up freedoms...which ones exactly? If freedom has to depend on owning a gun & believing I may have to use it in self defence,don't think I'd wana bring my kids up in such a place frankly.

 

Every day I thank God for our divorcing the "crown". How dense can these inbreds be? A society without protection from your evil rulers? tsk , tsk.

 

Thinking that freedom is something bestowed by the government is in itself giving up freedom, relying on said government for protection is giving up freedom, submitting to regulations and limitations in every aspect of your life is surrendering your freedom. Freedom isn't, and cannot be given, it has to be earned and maintained by constant vigilance, and determination to keep it. Sadly, there are few of us left, even in this country that are aware of this. I own four guns, they are kept locked in a safe, I never worry about having to defend myself or my family with them, I use them for hunting, and I doubt I could get to them fast enough or use them effectively enough for defence.
It should be noted that the figures for violent crime in the U.S. have also been declining steadily in recent years. Since we still have our guns, I suspect this is more due to cultural changes than changes in gun laws.

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The Brits were way over stretched by the sheer distance across the Atlantic,poor communications,your French Allies,logistics.

You keep guns to defend yourselves against your Government , okay, when are you gona DO that? Think about the financial crashes of the last century,the unrest of the 60s,Nixon, the lies they told us to get us into Iraq , howabout 2008 crash, whatabout Detriot losing half its population,homes they can't give away,the City Bankrupt. When exactly are you gona defend yourselves against your Government? Oh,you're gona do it when they come to take your guns away,like all the above don't matter so much.

The Gun Ownership=Freedom thing is a myth. If you were gona remove those in power you'd have done it by now. Ain't gona happen! What I see is divide & rule going on. The Constitution vs Democracy debate goes on ,goes no where,& those with the real power,Central Government carry on unchallenged.

Its your 21st Century Democracy that you need to fight for. Or you can be the best armed guy on social security in your neighbourhood !

 

LoL. Tell the folk out of work in Detroit how well they're 'protected'.

 

I finally figured out why folks like you and Balbus have such a difficult time comprehending America's attitude towards guns and the constitutional right for private citizens to keep them.
You and most of Europe have existed under the rule and control of individuals or families for so many hundreds of generations that the idea of servitude and "being under rule" is so deeply culturally ingrained that I feel that is one reason the whole concept is so completely foreign to you.

Just look at all the bullshit over the birth of another "royal" for God's sakes.
You guys have been conditioned that you don't possess any rights that haven't been "given" to you by your King or Queen.

The Constitution/Bill of Rights tells me I posses rights based on the fact that I am human and nobody has given me these rights and nobody can deprive me of them.
That is a very important fundamental difference in American vs British views.

I'm not trying to be ridiculous or facetious here, seriously I feel it is a very deeply ingrained difference in what "freedom" is from the American cultural concept of freedom.
I'll wager most are not even aware of the degree that it effects British and European mentality.

 

I completely agree, we are long past the point where the second revolution should have happened.

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Thanks Nexus,it seems from what you say,echoing what Ive heard from many of your Countryfolk , that you & I see the role of Government differently & theres the rub. My Government,whatever its political shade & whether I voted for it or not,IS my elected authority. Rather than bring it down if I disagree with it , I accept that thats Democracy & its up to me to try to change it at the next election. I,& I'd say we in Europe generally, have faith in the electoral system &,crucialy feel an 'ownership' of it. Its ours,cuss it tho,like you guys,we do!

Armed insurrection,revolution, in Societies as complex & diverse as ours isnt feasible for the common good.

Were I to move to live in some parts of America,I have said elsewhere,I would probably own a hand gun for protection of my loved ones & myself,sadly.

I do not wish to live in such a society. I would argue that I am just as free in every respect as you are,freeer because I do not fear threat as some Americans ,understandably do.

 

So,whats the argument for keeping the 'Right to Bear Arms'for protection-given a thorourgh removal of firearms from your civilian (& Criminal) communities?