2cp: The Desert Mindscape

Yesterday in the middle of the night I decided to explore this intriguing compound. The daunting length, low recommended dose and supposed intensity of the experience had me have some slight reservations about the experience going in. I decided to go for 8 mgs rectal to try and eliminate any supposed nausea that might accompany an oral dose.

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I dosed at about 1:50 am and waited around for about a half hour until the onset came on. There was a somewhat surprising stimulation from the get go, I felt a slight surge of energy like I had just drank a cup of coffee really quickly or a low dose of adderall. My visuals started to get tracers and things started to looking fairly promising from the get go.

After the initial onset the effects didn't really pick up until about an hour or so later. I've heard comparisons to 2ce and a lot of the effects do overlap from various psychedelics but I felt this compound was more in the realm of mescaline and 2ct7. It was very slow manifesting like those two and wasn't as busy as 2ct7 in my visual field, and there was no sensual/emotional push guiding the experience either like mescaline. My mind felt hardly altered to a psychedelic mindstate, I was not confronted with any sort of emotional, spiritual, or analytical material really, there was nothing much of interest going on with Open Eyes, when I closed my eyes there were some interesting figures and designs that would slowly develop if I gave the, time to but without any sort of emotional connection to the figures they seemed to lack significance. With all this being said I felt like there were brief moments of being on the verge of something deep and profound (Very profound) but i'm not sure if it was just the somewhat low dose or what but it just never quite culminated into anything interesting.

Throughout the trip I listened to music, went outside for a short while, played with glow lights, and laid down with my legs making a diamond and eyes closed, hands at side, in sort of a quasi meditational position where I could really feel a separation of the center of my body from my limbs. I truly feel I would have no problems taking this dose in a recreational enviornment and possibly a small dose of like MDMA to accompany it would be great, I was filled with energy yet ironically listening to Radiohead's 'Pyramid Song' a very slow, and surreal type melody seemed to capture the trip perfectly.

At one point around 5 in the morning I started thinking of how I (and I know others do this as well) sort of categorize psychedelics based on the energies that that psychedelic focuses on. For instance when I think of mushrooms I think of (earth), when I think of LSD I think of (mind), when I think of mescaline I think of (spirit), when I was experiencing 2cp I thought of (desert). It was a very barren mindspace , where things were not quite so immediate as most other psychedelics.

I fell asleep at about 8:30 am and woke up at noon. Visuals have pretty much ceased but there is a lasting stimulation that still remains. I currently feel like I'm on a low dose of adderall which is really not all that appealing after tripping all night, but I'm riding it out.

2cp may be a chemical I would perhaps appreciate and enjoy more during a daytime trip but it's definitely one of my least favorite Phenethylamines to date. The trip had moments where I felt like something amazing was about to unfold but it wasn't very engaging to me mentally or emotionally.

 

Fascinating report. Your descriptions make me feel like i have a sense of this material and it sounds rather unappealing. The desert analogy was fascinating though . . . part of me wouldn't mind experiencing a "barren mindspace," but the speedy comeup and aftereffects don't sound enjoyable . . .

Waking up now - i love the Jack Johnson quote in your signature area! The more i read it, the more i get out of it. Also, it was a poignant accompaniment to this TR, . . . just like the Radiohead.

 

2cp appealed to me at first because it has long duration, is potent, and people had said it was intense.
Then I actually did decent doses of it, and it's like "wtf? This is it?".

 

i feel like i should have tried 2cp 6 months ago before i read so much about it.

 

Yah overhyped compound in my opinion unless there has just been some crappy production of it.

 

Yeah GB, I know exactly what you mean about having a sense of something amazing and profound about to happen. Sounds like it just kind of fizzled out like my trial did. I'm surprised (but not really) that you were able to fall asleep within 7 hours of dosing. I was very wary of how daunting the intensity and duration sounded so I definitely lowballed my first dose. It's a shame, I had high expectations for it and maybe should have tried it sooner like pork said.

I also thought a low quality batch could be a factor with the way some people rave about it and the way others seem to feel it's bunk. I hope it's not the case and that maybe it's just one you have to find your own sweet spot. Will you give it another go at some point?

Maybe Smitty's right about ramping it up to ~20mg, I just thought that sounded insane knowing that PV liked it at 14mg and Shulgin considers 16mg an overdose (I know that's entirely subjective).

 

Probably, I'm in no rush to do this trip again though, I still feel lasting stimulation and have not really enjoyed this effect today.

 

"the dreaded underdose"

 

i forget, sweetblasphemy, how much did you dose?
did you get lasting stimulation?

 

6mg and it's hard to say because I had 130mg MDMA ~4 hours after dosing the p. I took the 2c-p at 6pm and took the MDMA around 10pm. I was tired by 3am but didn't sleep til 7am because I had to drive my friend home.

 

did the mdma make the trip more interesting or add any new elements?

 

Well I felt like the effects had already fizzled out by the time I took the MDMA. It felt like typical MDMA, with maybe a little something extra going on... so faint I couldn't tell if it was placebo or not.

 

Damn I was still going strong 4 hrs in even rectally. How long did it take to come up orally?

 

Ehh... I can't really say I ever "came up" all the way. I started feeling a typical PEA nervous energy about 1.5 hours after dosing but it was much more mild and less rushed than 2c-i or 2c-e. Then I bugged out about being alone so I drove 45 minutes each way to scoop my buddy, all the while concentrating extra hard on driving, had a little of the typical peripheral visual static, maybe some slight tracing of like car tail lights, and feeling of psyche being gently pried open. By the time I got home, I felt like I could feel a little something if I concentrated really hard but I would say it was barely a + Had that unmistakable "parched but not thirsty" feeling I get when I'm tripping and jaw/neck tension but my headspace didn't feel altered past placebo really. I sat around like that for maybe another half hour then all effects seemed to die out, that's when I took the MDMA.

 

ohhh I was definitely noticing textures shifting on the ceiling, tracers off the light and saw some sort of Egyptian 'dune' type figures slowly develop with eyes closed. I was definitely in a trip (I could not have drived in my state) I just didn't connect with the objects all that much and they formed quite slowly.

 

Yeah, I didn't make it that far in for sure. This happened to me 2 or 3 times before a long time ago with 2c-i. One of the times, I had sex like 40 mins after dosing and for whatever reason I just did NOT trip. Another time I ate too close to dosing and puked about an hour into it (I may have just puked it up before it absorbed fully). All doses were from the same batch that produced many legit trips at other times. Weird brain chemistry on any given day I suppose. But that was the first time it's happened in 6-7 years. I think I'm a little hardheaded with PEAs anyway, 6mg may just not be enough to get me off.

Also you tend to get more bang for your buck rectally anyway, yeah? 8mg rectal might be more like 12-13 oral...

 

i guess i'll start with 10 mg when i try this one

 

I wish I wasn't in such a fearful mindset the first time I tried it. I cant' find it now, but PV compared 2c-p and 2c-e in a thread, I think she said 12mg P was like 25mg E (intensity) but at the time I dosed I couldn't get an accurate comparison and was under the impression that 14mg-16mg P = like 60-70mg E. I think there's another thread comparing 2c-e and 2c-p but I can't find it now and everything that I've read seems to suggest a 2:1 (E to P) ratio in intensity so that would mean I would probably like P in the 20-25mg range? I don't know, it seems pretty daunting if that's not an accurate representation, I still have apprehensions about that dose range, especially since it would probably last like 30 hours and I just don't have that kind of time ATM to devote...

10mg might be the way to go for me the next trial run, too.

 

This discussion is a hallmark of what i like to call unauthorized research. The back and forth makes me feel like i am getting even a better sense of exactly what this material is about than the initial TR. Thanks GB and SB!

 

In the name of Science!