does anyone have enough experience to comment on the following: does the "X" influence their similarity? for example, is 2C-C more similar to DOC and 25C-NBOMe than 2C-C would be to DOB or 25I-NBOMe? seems like that would be likely. another question: is any 2C-X more similar to another "2C-Y" than either is to a DOX or 25X-NBOMe? basically i'm curious if something like DOB would have similarities to 2C-B. so if one really liked a certain 2C-X, they might know what DOx or 25X-NBOMe to grab, if it's even available. DOET and 25B-NBOMe don't seem to be very common.
ive been curious about this myself. ive done most of the common 2cs with the exception of -P and T-2. i have access to several of the nbome chems and wondering if they are different enough from their 2c cousins to even be worth trying. anyway its just a curiosity since my next couple orders are gonna be for tryptamines or MXE if i can find it.
i'm sure the nbomes are significantly diff from the 2cxs, but i'm curious if 25e-nbome for example shares any similarities with 2ce
the nbome's are pretty new still, it will probably be a while before multiple people have tried mutliple nbome's. at first I was really interested but I decided not to try them due to the fact you have to bypass first pass metabolism to feel effects.
wait so you just cant eat it? could you explain this first pass metabolism business to me. pretty please!
i'm pretty sure most people take it sub-lingually (under tongue) or one can administer MEASURED drop(s) nasally possibly rectal administration. but it seems that oral administration of these chems doesn't produce effects. such as with DMT. possibly because of MAO enzymes. just read on wiki about 25I... that NO ANIMAL STUDIES have been done. so humans on HF and BL are the FIRST animals to have tested these substances. or plants - unless someone is ACTUALLY feeding these things to plants. all tests have been in vitro, according to wiki at least... kinda scary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_pass_effect Kind of important to understand if you're going to play with chemicals.
I find DOC more similar to LSD than 2C-C. 2C-C didn't felt speedy at all, while DOC is quite an good like amphetamine (very uplifting without many amp side effects). But so is LSD good like stimulant. But I find DOC can be compared to 2C-I + 2C-C combination.
I find that the 2c-x's have more similarities to each other than to the 25x's. I have only tried 25c and 25i of the nbome's, and they are pretty different, but more similar to each other than to 2cc or 2ci. In fact, I think they are way different. Actually I think 25c and 25i are closer to each other than 2cc is to 2ci. I haven't experimented a whole ton with 2ci but its a pretty good amount different than 2cc I think. I've never tried any DOX's but I really want to. Probably going to get some DOC once i have more money.
I finally got to try 25i-NBOME so I can give a review. I would say 25i-NBOME is more like the 2C-X family and to me DOC felt different enough to be well just different I think I did a high dose cause visuals lasted far into the next day and beyond(like I was having HPPD for like a week after) but still enjoyed it. I think for the effects though 2C-B would be my favorite. I have tried 2C-I and B, DOC, and 25i-NBOME for comparisons.
^^so do you find that 25-I-NBOMe is closer to 2C-I than it is to 2C-B? have you ever tried LSD? thanks for the reply hallucinations so even though you think 25-xs are more similar to each other, than to the corresponding 2cx... do you find ANY similarities between 25-C-NBOMe and 2C-C? is there a certain "character" or "flavor" that is specific to the "X" at the 4 position?
There may be some similarity to 25c and 2cc but no I don't think there is much character or flavor to the specific X at the 4 position when comparing NBOMe's to 2C-X's, though I should try 2cc again to have a more recent memory to really say. But the visuals from 25c are so much more intense, lots of shifting morphing and INTENSE trails. I may have said this somewhere else but I'll say it again here about 25C. My friend tried 500 ug 25c. my other friend wrote his name in cursive with his finger in the air, not even using a light to write it. The friend on the 25c then looked where the other guy had written in the air, stared at it for a second, then recognized that it was the other person's name written in the air, but backwards since the guy had written it forwards in his view and he was facing the guy on the 25c so it was like a mirror. He said he could see the entire name sitting in the air in sparkling colors. I don't think 2cc could ever give trails like that. The visuals from 2cc are so much incredibly more mellow. In fact, I think that the NBOMe part completely changes the high so that there is actually little to no relation to the effects of a 25X in comparison to a 2C-X. With 2C-I for example -- which I need to experiment with more to get a better feeling for -- I don't get much visuals and its pretty stimulating. With 25I however, its very mellow, not very stimulating at all, and I get some of the coolest visuals of my life. For example, while on 3-4 mg 25I, I was looking at a textured ceiling. Around all the texture protrusions were sparkling colors swirling around every tiny protrusion. When I waved my hand in front of my eyes, I saw a trail left in the sparkling colors on the ceiling. When I looked at someone's face and then looked away at the wall, I saw an after image of their face in the sparkling colors on the wall. 2C-I has never done anything close to that kind of visuals for me, but again I need to experiment more. So basically from what I've done, there is no connection between 2c-x's and their 25x counterparts. They are completely different. Its really fascinating. Also of interest is that 25c is more potent than 25i, while 2ci is more potent than 2cc. This reversal of potency seems to be a general trend with the 25x's, another sign that they are completely different than their 2c-x counterparts. If i have the opportunity to try more of both 2c-x's and 25x's I certainly will and I'll be able to make even more statements on it. I just need the sources and resources to obtain them, and then the time to test them out. So many different things and combos to try and so little time in comparison lol.
I've taken acid that I suspect was doi. I had 2 trips with it, one of them was interesting and worthwhile, the other trip I didn't enjoy it at all. If you knew for sure you were getting it, I'd say it's worthwhile. The visuals are sort of cool, things look kind of shiny and glowy with slight movement. I felt like it has a real gradual incline in effects, like I remember a good 3 + hours in I still felt like I hadn't reached a peak which made it slightly uncomfortable but that may be just because I was expecting LSD. There was slight introspection but not too much mindfuck, fairly euphoric and stimulating but not speedy. The primary effects lasted about 10 hours but I didn't sleep for a full 24 hours. Doi feels like a heavier trip compared to 2ci, although I haven't taken high of doses of 2ci. I think I prefer 2ci overall though, it's got a more tolerable duration and I enjoy the headspace it produces, music is also amazing on it.
As far as 2c's and do's go, I dont see alot in common. DOC is so ampy and awkward to me, although I love DOC its sometimes tricky. it has alot of geometrical shapes and what not. While 2c-c is quiet and forgiving and calm to me. it has little color, with lots of distortion, while 2c-e is amazingly colorful and is not at all forgiving to minds. Its hard to try and compare so many different chems with such different aspects to each one.
All of these compounds are still fairly similar from a chemistry standpoint, as the "x" is either Chlorine, Iodine or Bromine, all 3 of which are halogens. The differences that are found between the compounds 2c-c, 2c-b and 2c-i are only related to the size of the halogen atom at the 4-position its actually quite fascinating stuff. I have tried 2c-i, DOC, and 25i-NBOMe. The main difference between 2c-i and its nbome relative to me was the way it was taken (blotter paper vs. stick of gum), other than that both of them felt to me like a mix between the visuals of Mescaline and the body high/euphoria of MDMA. DOC was very similar as well, but I felt like DOC was more mellow. Instead of experiencing an ecstasy-like euphoria, I found myself at peace and described it to a friend of mine as "the perfect state of being"
^^i don't see many other people comparing the effects of 2ci to those of 25i-nbome, at least not saying that they are basically the same
