Socailism will save the world....

Idiot -- a commune is different from an entire society.

I am sure communism would work just great on a tribal level. In a society; hell no! Anyone with a brain knows this.

Name me one example of when communism (other than in communal living) has worked to the benefit of the people.

PS: I am still referred to as a communist by Bush-loving neocons, who think anybody who opposes Bush's policies is a "commie."

 

You guys are out of your minds if you think communism is the savior of this country.

 

communism (other than in communal living) Lmao... thats hilarious... there cant be communism outside of communal living.
it IS communal living.
Society is very much like a tribe... i wouldnt call "communes" tribal, either... they arent "tribal" its just a small communist society.
and there hasnt been communism in a large scale society yet.. a bunch of small communist societies in one united front would be considered communism on a large scale, and that hasnt existed to this day. That doesnt mean it wont "work"... so many of you say how it doesnt "work". but capitalism hasnt "worked" either.


Obvious the kind of socialism rat and other are thinking of is not the same socialism as embraced by socialists... so how about we change the word "socialism" to something else... hmm... how about marxism? LOL!. Nah, i think they already associate that with stalinism... how about Sharing...ism.

 

wow! i didnt expect all that imput.... I just think socailism will be the savior of our world enviromentally. When people realize our world has nothing left, and we have to save it immediatly they will stop thinking of themselves, and therefore agree with a socalist state. With capitalism gone, people wont be concerned about profit, which is a major problem for the enviroment. Human nature is only what a society makes it up to be, there would be less fighting and war because of no currencies. People just wouldnt be concerned about money and personal weath anymore.

 

grass...your confuse by socialism and "greens" greens are the environmental parties of many countries, and most just happen to be socialist...

communism isnt supposed to be a dictatorship forever...nobody willknow how the USSR would have been under Lenin for longer, or if Trotsky was allowed to be in power from the high ranking officials in the party...

also,i don't have socialist views cause its "trendy" or cause sam roberts sings the song "the canadina dream"...i am because i beleive that under capitalism, people are held down, i beleive that the government shuld help those in need who are sick, old, unable to work etc. so tey get an equal opportunity....

communism isnt some big scary thing coming from the nether regions of the world..but in fact [and practice, just not on a large scale, but why does everything need ot be big] work, and is pure democracy [look at the hutterites, and probobly amish]...but yeah...socialism is coooool

 

i dont think i confuse the two. a better enviroment is a result of socialism. it only makes sense

 

There is a difference between communalism and communism. Many indigenous people practice communalism,but this communalism is done voluntarily and not dictated by rulers. Communism is not voluntary. It's imposed on people by the government.

 

Didn't the Soviet Union have pollution problems?

 

socialism sux. hey so does democracy and capitalism. anarchy sucks. comunism sucks. now oligarchy . . . at least there is a chance at a just society. i like to be free, i like individuality, i dont like rules.

 

I'm for democratic socialism, such as the system in Spain. Universal healthcare, liberal views on life... all good to me. The PSOE is a great political party, in my opinion. I don't like the idea of true socialism because there is less incentive for people to try and work hard and those that persevere to be rewarded, but then again, I don't believe in the pure version of any political or economic system. A mix of socialism and democracy makes the most sense in my mind, however, it can only be accomplished under an uncorrupted leader.

 

nothing aainst you silverclover...but wtf? liberal views on life? doent spain support euthanasia?

And none of you understand...under SOCIALISM, there is incentive to work cause its "from each according to ability, to each according to work"...socialism is not a political system, its economics...

COMMUNISM, is pure democracy, yes, there is a dictartoship of the proletariat for a short time, but the problem with the USSR is that Stain was evil, even lenin didnt want him in power. COMMUNISM is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" which can have no incentive to work, but thats cause people arent as motivated to make their counrty the best anymore...COMMUNISM is an econimic political system....

you people need to take grade 12 social sudies again

 

Socialism, communism, either way it's centralized power.. I don't know about the rest of you, but I want my life run my way. I don't want some centralized authority dictating how to live.

 

I think the concept of the dictatorship of the proletarian is a bit problematic because of what we have seen in the previous revolutions and it should be given a lot of thought. In today's western world we should begin from the democracy and not let it from our hands for even one instant. There is no contradiction between democracy and socialism. They come together or they don't come. Today's democracy is a result of the class fight and the fight goes on. In some places it's visible and in some places it's not. The democracy we have today is still just a compromise that was made, not anything ready, The development of democracy is a development towards socialism, taking the principles of democracy farther.

 

no one runs a socailist government.. its a way of life. You give what you can, and take only what you need. This gives people incentive to work, because without currency people will be less greedy. Like I said human nature is determined by soceity.

 

You people are out of your minds.

 

DEMOCRATIC socialism means choices, so no, Rat, im not trying to take anyones freedom away. I personally feel both communism and capitalism are proven failures. Communism may have never existed in its true form on a large scale, but there is a reason for that. Capitalism has worked very well for america. But if your to look at the third world countries over run by American coporation owned sweatshops, or how the oil companies(and others) influence American polotics, its not such a pretty picture. we are at the top of the capitalistic pyrimid, and we live in an extreamly capitalistic world.
As far as the envirorment goes, a socialist government would probably be better, but i dont see that problem going away untill we lose religion, reason being most religious people now see the world as a temorary home, see people as chosen and therfore above nature, and too often believe we cant destroy the earth, only god could.

P.S. if some of this sounds familiar to some of you its because i took some of it it from some of an earlier post by myself. It just seem to fit here.

 

No, socialism is the rule of the working class. The working class take control of the means of production. During socialization, wealth is taken away from the capitalist class, to the working class.

 

Isn't socialism dependent on Capitalism?


It's capitalism that makes countries like Sweden work. How else would they be able to generate the wealth needed to fund it's welfare state?

 

You shouldn't confuse socialism with the nordic wellfare society. It is true. the wellfare here is built dependent on economic growth. But in today's global situation even the economic growth cannot guarantee that wellfare. Our wellfare is in crisis and that is just part of the development of capitalism. The wellfare system was a kind of political compromise between the left and right, but in the near future it will be harder and harder to make new compromises.

 

im a socialist member
active in cambridge uk
ie the branch i run

socialism is not from the stalin communists
ideas , please dont be confussed its from the early
politics of labour class partys which ended
in many splits such as the stalin problem
like new labour now who dont represent our workers
at all the back bone for the rich


we have just had our party conference
in london , and wow
marx was right about the west
and its greed about usa and the fear
it rules over many governments
how it will come crashing down
around the upper classes ears.................

a socialist believes in the fact
that the human changes
its not left to rot...like
within this capitalists imperialistic
system of divide.......who earns what is not important
in a true socialist world...


but we have to work our way through
this idea......
.no money ..... gosh says those who live to spend....
what, how do you buy things new cars etc........
why,, you want need to buy. because....
the earth and our human man woman can provide
all we need and want if we are allowed ,one day
this is my belief....
after all the capitalists are broken down...............

and as we change so should our
standard of living equally around the
world...
no need for greed if we take
back what it rightfully
ours as human beings
to live to run our world
for all people....

in this world we see lack of care,
in the west ,the east south,norht
yet we still allow a capitalist,
such as blair to restrain us ,hold us back
within the working class bastard.....
and as i believe as we are aware
we change to our surroundings...

ie..

its not consciousness that
determines existance,but
social existance that determines
consciousness...

marx,engles..........

ie if we are allowed to live
with a living standed
that is allowing us to be productive
on this earth for all humans
then our mind will open up to change
the change that will come
the change that will forward
our human race our world
to free all ,under the class divide
while we see
capitalists cause war with
the blame on weapons religion
all money earners for the rich....
for as we well know
if you keep a human down,a race down
enough, they will need to change
to fight back to speak out
to live to live to live.

thank you

the march in london uk
sat anti war protest
was brilliant,
so many people are waking up
to what reality ,life,and to live
is all about togetherness
all equal to live.
loven peace ffrom saff

i know i can blag
but this world can not ignore change
change is what socialism is all about
....