Wicca = vegetarians?

I got into an argument with few wiccas that should wiccas be vegetarians.
My point is that "An it harm none, do what you will." and if you eat meat you harm animals by killing them thus you are not following "harm none" rule. I've been thinking that these people that i've met are not wiccas because all they seem to want to do is dress in black, wear pentagrams, get drunk and listen to black metal. They still say that they are wiccas but im having hard time believing that wicca is just a bunch of black metal listening alcoholics who just want to get wasted and be evil. Are wiccas supposed to be vegetarians or is there some sort of a thing that allows them to kill innocent animals? What about loving mother earth and being one with the nature?

 

Hmm not necessarily. Killing bacteria is totally unavoidable, it does greater good in the long run. Otherwise we'd die of a cold or something. That and you don't choose on a concious level to do such a thing, it's just a biological process.
Need to use common sense where to draw the line.

Of course Wicca embraces freedom of choice, so some will eat meat.

Yeah I totally agree with you Neonate

 

well actuly wicca is more getting in tune with nature and in nature there is a food chain and humans are animals and are on the food chain there is nothing wronge with killing an animal to eat they would kill you if they had to eat but harming an animal for no reason thats wronge its the natural balence for animals to kill each other ever seen they lion king circle of life and if it harm non appalys more to other humans not animals, harming an animal for no reason of fun is wronge but to eat is different

 

So hang on; diet wise humans and animals are identical, but with regards the respect we bestow they are opposites.
Really don't get that. Same or diffrent, make up your mind.

Farm animals are herbivores. They would not kill you, and certainly not on mass in the cold calculating way slaughter houses do.

Yes I've seen lions hunt, which by the way is nothing like the lion king; they hunt in packs, kill with their bare hands/paws, and the prey has a chance to get away. Then everything gets eaten for essential sustanence.

That is sure as hell not what happens in factory farms, those are furthest from nature as is possible. Seriously have you see what the hell happens there. Meat eating in the western world has nothing to do with nature, it's simple human greed and ignorance.

Far as I can see there is no reason to harm animals, at all ever. There are plenty of humane and healthy foods. I eat them every day.

*clambers off soap box*

Didn't mean that as anything personal, just wanted to that clear up.

 

actuly i dont eat much farm raised meat i hunt and fish and have a graden so about 60% of all the food i eat i have growen or killed myslef

 

I'm not going to bother debating this any more. Neither side are going to agree, so shall bail out while it's still civil.

 

I'm a pagan and I eat meat/

 

First of all, to the person who actually had the lack of common sense to say animals want to be eaten... they don't "want to be eaten" any more than you do.

Are Wiccans supposed to be vegetarians? Not really. The religion was created with absolutely no dogma suggesting that one would need to be a vegetarian. Not that I wouldn't love Wiccans and anybody else to go vegetarian, but it's not something that Wicca forbids or enourages. This is the problem with completely boiling your ethical system down to "Harm none." There is no sidenote that says what exactly "none" is supposed to mean. It's easy for people to twist "Harm none" into almost anything that one wants it to mean.

 

When I became vegetarian, I was involved in paganism. Now I'm atheist, but still a vegetarian.

 

Follow along:
If you are what you eat, and a cow eats grass, isn't a cow really just a big salad?

 

Wicca is actully a very complicated religion, it's not just "Harm none do what you will" There are 161 rules to wicca, and each of them is literal. Nothing about what they should eat, just about worship. I think the people who dress in black, where pentagrams and just wanna get drunk arn't really wicca. I bet they don't know anything about Gardener.

 

Thank you! This vegan Wiccan agrees! I gave up animal products mainly being inspired by that classic by Francis Moore Lappe, Diet for a Small Planet or whatever it's called... The waste is incredible. Can you believe most white sugar is not vegan? I mean, that's just gross ignorance... what the hell do you need to use animal products for sugar??? Back in the days before modern transportation, and in other parts of the world today, consuming animal products is what you need for survival. But really, that's not the case in America and most of the world today! Animal products are how the WTO keeps Latin America crippled and depletes the rainforests...

And that "food chain" myth is just that.... That just comes from the Judeo-Xian bullshit about man having dominion over the earth and animals...

 

Yes sister, he makes me laugh through the pity I have for him.

 

OK i've red loads of book on Wiccan beleives and i also have my own oppinions. First of all it's wrong to say WIccans should not eat meat, this is because some people have to eat meat to survive as they live in conditions where it is difficult or impossable to grow vegtables. SO they have to eat meat because there is nothing else.
So what about people who can buy or grow vegtables, well it's theire choice weather or not they eat meat. I think if you are Wiccan and choose to eat meat thats your choice. I'm a Wiccan and I eat meat because i like it, however i also say a little "prayer" thanking the soul of the animal for giving it's life so i can eat it. I also "pray" that the soul of the animal has a safe passage where ever it's goes next.

 

And if you are Catholics and choose to use birth control pills, that's your choice, but it is still inconsistent with Catholic beliefs, but doesn't make you any less Catholic.

The logic that whatever a Wiccan decides to do will then be consistent with Wicca doesn't hold water... I'm not trying to rag on anyone's choice, but call a spade a spade and own up to the fact that in countries with massive supermarkets and tofu and gelatine-free marshmellows, well, it is then a choice outside Wicca, even if it is made by Wiccans, nor does it make you any less Wiccan.

I mean, I'm not saying that I do everything that I can, but I do as much as I'm comfortable with right now, and I own up to and acknowledge that I have much improving to do in order to live up to that Harm None thing, lol. Imperfections are human, but it's silly to try and jump through hoops to defend and justify with missteps in logic...

Also, unless you buy every single bite of meat from a small farm or whatever, you may want to include prayers for the land and resources that are ravaged in factory farming, prayers for every single Latin American whose country is indebted to the WTO and "World Bank" who lend funds on the condition that perfectly good land and rainforest is converted to cattle breeding factories for import to the USA instead of crops for their own starving people... I'm not attacking, but that's the plain truth of it... My issue with not eating animal products is really more concerned with human rights than animal rights...

 

One can interpret passeges in the Bible to justify vegetarianism as well. The other half of that An ye harm none rule is 'do what thou will' - so do what thou will. If you really wanted to harm none at all, you'd cut out wearing synthetic fibers and eating plants as well, because one coud argue that you hurt a plant when you chop it up and eat it.

Now I'm a vegetarian, not because I'm wiccan, but simply because I don't agree with raising animals to slaughter them. I became a vegetarian long before I converted to wicca.

 

Vegetarians kill plant life.

 

Plants are less important to you because you cannot hear or understand how they communicate with eachother?