Propaganda site lies and more lies

Here is a site which ONLY will print horror stories about Oxycontin. I have sent a couple of things to their "guest book" about chronic pain sufferers and how Oxy can be a savior drug. They REFUSE to post them, only to post more "my brother died from only taking one oxycontin, this drug should be pulled by the DEA!" bullshit.

http://www.oxyabusekills.com/index.html

Read the story on there where a Republican )who else) Representitive wants the drug available "only to SEVERE pain sufferers" who he seems to think are only end stage cancer sufferers. WHO would get to decide the difference between "moderate" and "Severe" pain? HIM?

Scary things are on this site. If you have had good experiences, as a patient or seen people in pain helped by this drug (please don't send recreational use stories, it will just add fuel to their fire) please send them to their guest book. Maybe they will get enough to stop this shit. The way some of the stories are written, it appears that the same author is writing a LARGE majority of them, also there are MORE "death" stories than there were Oxy related deaths last year. (Hmmmmm) add that to the fact that almost 80% of Oxycontin deaths were in conjunction with alcohol and or other drugs. Their statistics are totally off.

They also refuse to post that pain patients who use their Oxy according to the doctor's direction and dosage, rarely if EVER OD on this drug.

 

for whats its worth, I posted:

I work in community pharmacy, and have dispensed literally thousands of prescriptions for Oxycontin. While the abuse of the drug cannot and should not be ingnored, neither should the relief of chronic, debilitating pain for the majority of patients who take this drug. The idea that the FDA should pull this drug from the market is absurd.

I support your effort in bringing awareness to the dangers of Oxycontin overdose, and the dangers of prescription drug abuse. This is an issue that plagues the country, and pharmacists are on the front lines everyday, working with patients and weeding out abusers.

When a person abuses a product, whether it be huffing paint thinner or crushing and injecting Oxycontin, it cannot be blamed on the manufacturer. After all, Purdue Pharma has never recommended anyone destroy the time release and inject or snort their product. It is easy to point fingers, and at first glance the drug company seems to be the culprit, but we need to get to the real cause of these problems: societal values and personal responsibility.

 

Grr, I hate sites like this, they are everywhere. Alot of these people dont understand the strength and power of OC, its not like hydrocodone where you can pop a bunch and be just fine. I read somewhere I dont remember about some girl that thought 80mg OC's were extasy and she took 6 80mg OC's. Anything I get that I dont know what it is I get on the computer and look it up ,even X. I wish people would understand what they are taking before they start abusing it.

 

WHOA!

Check out the response:
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It is not that simple Grant,,,Aee below, this epidemic wouldn't be nearly as bad if we were dealing with an ethical company.

I lost my only son (18) due to this dangerous drug that should NOT be so easily available for experimenting teens to buy on the street.

Please see my website's guestbook www.oxyabusekills.com

There are thousands of stories in there and MANY of these death and addiction stories start as a legitimate patient who was prescribed OXYCONTIN for moderate pain.

Also see my memorial page, again...many patients are listed.

People are dying needlessly. Please help us save lives by reporting the truth and not the spin that Purdue Pharma puts out that it is only so called abusers who are dying/addicted.

Q: Why do you blame Purdue Pharma for the abuse of their drug?

A: The trail of addiction and death due to the Oxycontin epidemic was fueled by the overprescribing and easy street access to this powerful narcotic.

Instead of acknowledging the problem, Purdue denied it while aggressively marketing this powerful
narcotic to general practitioners for moderate pain. They down played the risks and exaggerated the benefits, however they were not selling widgets but a powerful drug that sometimes causes death and addiction.

Here are just a few of the many examples of their corporate greed which have been documented in newspapers,magazines,television and a book.

* Sales Reps have come forward to reveal the aggressive marketing practices that Purdue trained them to use. "Targeting General Practitioners", telling them that less than 1% of patients get addicted and it is less abuseable. One Rep claims to be fired for refusing to deal with PILL MILL doctors

* Purdue knew which doctors were writing enormous amounts of Oxycontin scripts but never offered this data to law enforcement even after all the DEATH reports were coming in.

* In 2001 alone, Purdue spent 200 million dollars in advertising well after the many death stories were known

* Many of the death and addiction stories are from patients who never should have been prescribed Oxycontin.

* They claimed they were shocked that people were crushing oxycontin even though there is proof they were warned that this had happened to their other time released drug MSCONTIN.

* A Clinical Researcher for Purdue Pharma, alleges in a lawsuit filed against the company, that he informed Purdue of a design flaw in the drugs timed release coating. He claims that he was told not to alert Purdue's inhouse Drug Regulators or those of the goverment shortly thereafter he was terminated.


* Purdue Pharma approached the FDA for Oxycontin's approval, with the claim that their "research" indicated that less than 1% of those using the drug would develop an addiction. Recent media reports refute that claim, contending that Purdue Pharma had evidence that the addiction rate would be much higher.

* Many Elected and Law Enforcement Offcials, who once fought the Oxycontin epidemic, have since been hired by Purdue Pharma. They now tout Oxycontin's "safety and effectiveness", as paid employees of the company.

* "Cutting a deal" with then Florida State Attorney General Bob Butterworth, on his last day in office who accepted a 2 mllion dollar donation for a prescription monitoring program which was engineerd by his best friend who Purdue had hired as a lobbyist to drop the state investigation into the companies marketing practices.

* The FDA warning letters to Purdue Pharma, concerning the "false and misleading" advertising in magazines and promotional handout materials.

* The recent ruling by a New York Federal Judge, indicating that Purdue Pharma misled government officials, in order to prevent other companies from marketing a generic form of Oxycontin.

* Attempting now to get a timed released Dilauded pill 'PALLADONE' approved for moderate pain.

Many more examples of Purdue Pharma's corporate greed, can be found at www.oxyabusekills.com Please see the Updated News Stories link on the homepage, visit the Guestbook and order the book "Pain Killer" by Barry Meier of the New
York Times.



Thanx,,,Ed

RAPP - Relatives Against Purdue Pharma
In memory of Eddie Bisch WWW.oxyABUSEkills.com
HELP SPREAD THE WARNING>>>>

To understand this epidemic get the book PAIN KILLER at the top of my website

you never get over the loss of a child, BUT somehow you learn to live with it
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and my reply:

Ed,

Palladone has already been approved. I have it on my shelf. The answer is not as simple as blaming Purdue. I see patients everyday who could not function without pain medicine, including Oxycontin. The drug should NOT be so easily available on the street. However, Purdue Pharma does not sell the drug to individuals, or even to individual pharmacies, but only to wholesalers. The product has to be ordered on a triplicate DEA 222 form by the pharmacy, and is only dispensed to a patient on a written prescription order.

I am very sorry for the loss of your son. It is very unfortunate, untimely, and unfair. It would also be unfortunate and unfair to deny pain medications to persons who are suffering.

What would you suggest we do about the majority of Oxycontin patients that use the drug responsibly and for whom it provides much needed relief?

Grant

 

THANK YOU, GRANT!

Purdue has NOTHING to do with the drug being street available.

And thier constant whining about "only for "severe" pain." WHO is to judge what is severe and what is "moderate?" NOT THE GOVERNMENT. That is between a patient and his/her doctor.

One of the things this site does is to take TOTALLY away the responsiblity of the person who used the drug IRRESPONSIBLY. It is the fault of Purdue and "doctors" for them. Not some dumb kid, who crushed up an 80 mg tablet and snorted it. People who NEED this medication don't take the drug like this, most take it ACCORDING TO THEIR DOCTOR'S DIRECTION. And ain't nobody gonna die like that. But this site would have you belive otherwise.

Thank you, Grant. I appreciate it. I NEVER even got a response from these people. They dont want to hear, or aknowlege SUCCESSFUL chronic pain stories.

 

On Mar 8, 2005, at 8:36 AM, Ed Bisch wrote:


as far as palladone,,you are one of the few who are stocking it......to get that drug approved for moderate pain after the oxy epidemic is a disgrace


Thanx,,,Ed

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and my reply:

Ed,

What would be a disgrace is a person suffering in pain needlessly. Many of my colleges are stocking this product, and many more will stock it as its sales increase. I know you suffer daily from the loss of your son. If their were a product that would end your suffering, I would both stock it and advocate for it.

Best wishes,

Grant

 

On Mar 8, 2005, at 8:34 AM, Ed Bisch wrote:

Grant I do not want oxycontin BANNED....I do want it properly classified. Purdue pushed this on General practioners claiming that less than 1% of patients get addicted and patients are easily weened off it....

30-40% of the death and addiction stories in my guestbook start as patients.

Talk to some of your CUSTOMERS who are trying to ween off oxy.

see the top of my guestbook for a peek at Purdue's sales tactics.

take a look at www.oxyconned.com



Thanx,,,Ed

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my reply:

Ed,

I talk to my customers daily, as I have for 45+ hours every week for the past 10 years. Oxy is addicting. Doctors, Pharmacists, and patients are well aware. Of all the narcotic pain killers and controlled substances I stock, the abuse problems with Oxy are far less than with other products. The real truth is Oxy has received more media hype than other drugs. I sell products everyday that are much more widely abused and diverted.

I admire your passion and I appreciate your overall cause: prescription drug abuse. Many people think if it is medicine, it is safe for everyone. As you and I both know, this is not the case. I think your efforts regarding Oxycontin are misguided, and fueled by emotion rather than fact.

Again, I appreciate your cause, and I am truly sorry for the loss of your son. In my opinion, the real problem is a general lack of personal responsibility in our society. Oxycontin should have never been available for an 18 year old teenager to experiment with. Whoever ultimately allowed your son the opportunity to abuse Oxy should pay dearly, but the fault lies far from Purdue.

Sincerely,
Grant

 

My 18 year old son died 2/19/01 after chewing a Central Nervous System (CNS) depressant and powerful painkiller drug called OXYCONTIN which mixed with other substances that were already in his system. He made a mistake and paid for it with his life.





i love the fact that it mentions that he had other drugs in his system and they blame the oxy right away, most ODs ive heard of three or four drugs are involved

 

General practitioners ROUTINELY prescribe addictive substances! Oxycontin is classified as a schedule II drug! What does he want?

Maggie, speaking of Palladone, I am really excited about this product!
Have you heard of it yet? It is a long acting Dilaudid (hydromorphone). It is not dosed QD, but rather, Q24hours, thats how good the time release is! I think you said before that you didn't like fentanyl patches because of a lack of control. . . I think you might like Palladone, maybe with some hydrocodone to take intermittenly for breakthru pain. You may want to look into this.

FOR EVERYONE ELSE . . .

This is the danger of the media! Please don't get your health information from the Today Show! The information that has come out over the past few years is disgraceful, and patients suffer because of it!

For instance:

Hormone replacement therapy: It barely increases your chance of heart attack! The media made it sound as if it CAUSED heart attacks. It increases the likelyhood that any one patient on HRT will suffer a heart attack by LESS THAN 1%! The reason the study with Prempro was halted early was because the drug was being studied and prescribed to PREVENT heart attacks, and they found that it doesn't! There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking HRT for menopausal symptoms, it is just not recommended anymore for heart health.

Vioxx only increases chances of heart attack by about 1.5% for any individual patient, taking recommended doses of 25mg or less per day, for MORE THAN 18 MONTHS! It is not a dangerous drug, if prescribed properly. It should not be used after heart surgery or in heart patients, but for otherwise healthy arthritis sufferers it is fine, and the same with Celebrex (200-400mg per day) and Bextra 10-20mg per day.

Alleve has been found to cause NO HEART TROUBLE, PERIOD. The media never announced that study, but they did announce that Bayer was studying whether or not it affected the heart, and led people to believe that evidence said it does.

Antidepressants DO NOT CAUSE SUICIDES! Not one person in the treatment group cited by the FDA completed a suicide. People in the placebo (non-drug) group did! DEPRESSION CAUSES SUICIDE!

I could go on, and on, and on. . . ! The point is, don't be a puppet for the media! Take everything they say with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to your healthcare. Always remember, the media makes money by selling stories, so they have to choose sensational ones.

Doctors, pharmacists, etc, are not robots, blindly led by drug reps. Be an active part of your healthcare team, do research, and ask questions, but never make decisions about your health based solely on a news report.

 

Oh, yes, that motherfucker Ed. I'm sorry about his kid, but Perdue is NOT to blame. I sort of remember reading that the kid was drunk before he took the OC. Is that correct? Regardless, polydrug use can have unintended consequences. You listening, 15 year old know it alls?

But that site is one of the most blatant examples of propaganda I've seen outside of Nazi Germany. I suffer from chronic pain, and so far I'm cool with Oxy IRs and some occasional gifts. But, if I needed OC, and couldn't get it because of shitheads like him, I'd have to think about civil disobediance. Like stopping my car on 285 during rush hour.

 

Mixing alcohol with opiates can have extremely dangerous side-effects, which include coma and death...this isn't specifically Oxy, either; any pharmacologist in their right mind would obviously pass this information onto their client...and not reading the fucking label (which this information is printed on EVERY prescription drug container, yes?) is simply imbecelic.

Do I feel sorry for his son? No; his son got what he deserved and the fact that his "daddy" has this sudden urge to protect him after his son OD'ed on Oxy just makes him more of a trend-whoring conservative, right-wing advocate that doesn't deserve any sort of political plyings.

 

On my bottles of pain meds from the pharmacy, there is a HUGE label wiich says "DO NOT mix this drug with alcohol" and I comply religiously.

That is one of the reasons that Harm Reduction is better than Abstenence teaching, because kids ARE going to experiment, and if that dead kid had come HERE, many people would have warned him against Oxy's breathing problems in nontolerant individuals, to only take a LITTLE bit, until you know how the drug effects you, the dangers of poly drug use, and to NOT drink when using the stuff.

 

That is one of the best things ive herd, kids are going 2 experiment regardless, hell adults are to, but if they have the knowledge 2 to do it right if the circumstance arises, whether it be any drug, they are going 2 be better off. If more kids understood the risks of the drugs they take and what it can do i believe OD's would drop dramatically. i see it everyday, a kid brings a pill to school, said he got it from his mother, and sells it for a dollar, neither kid knows what it is or wat it does but hell theyre gona take it. just a few months ago i saw someone give a kid a 10mg methadone... said man this will fuck u up.. now of course the kid selling it was a painkiller junkie. so yea that methadone would fuck him up. but for the poor kid that had never used painkillers before... well lets just say he spent the night throwing up and feeling like he was going 2 die, and had 2 tell his parents about it, it was so bad.

Ill tell you guys one thing that makes me sick, the government cracks down on drugs like pot, so the kids that cant experiment with a little weed... say hey my moms got this shit called oxycontin that i hear will really mess u up. so the mothers losing out on her meds and the kids messing around with powerfull opiates. Decriminilize marijuana, give the kids something 2 experiment w/. hell i see kids that are afraid 2 have a lil weed on them. but 2 have 20 OC. 80's.lol hell that isnt shit.

Education is always the key, teach abstinence if u want but also show them wat there up against and how 2 deal w/ it.

 

Amen, psychoactive. If that kid (Ed's son) had come here, he might still be alive. Harm Reduction doesn't guarentee that everyone will listen, but at least the info is available. When you tell a kid to "Just Say No" you shut the door to ANY communication and education.

MY kids have not experiemented with things like DXM, because Bear and I are harm reduction advocates, and we are HONEST about substances. Our 18 year old has done some experimenting with marijuana, but we were HONEST about that (Like, don't DRIVE while you have been smoking.) She is on meds for ADHD, so she knows things like DXM, and EXCTASTY could be dangerous to her. If we didn't TALK about it, she wouldn't have known and may have harmed herself without the knowlege.

Knowlege is POWER, and people like this Ed don't understand that. They just want to control people.

Too bad for his kid, though. He came from an IGNORANT enviroment, and THAT is what killed him, not Oxycontin.

 

Here was my final response from Ed:

Thanks Grant, We agree on most of the issues here. I too thought Purdue should not be held accountable but as i learned more and more of their actions I realized that this was/is a coordinated effort to just sell as many pills as possible. How could they ethically say less than 1% of patients get addicted?

In 2002 I met with the Purdue president David Haddox and other Purdue officials. They told me all the media stories were hurting patients who really needed OXY (not pain meds) from getting it....

I asked him,,,So sales are down??? OH yes was his reply. I also informed him that MANY of my emails I get the person started as a PATIENT. He put all the blame on the individual, he went on about his theory of Pseudo addictionl ( later I found this whole theory was based on ONE patient)

well 45 days later it was reported that oxy sales were up 43% for the year....it also said purdue spent 200million dollars in 2001 promoting oxy to GENERAL PRACTIONERS for moderate pain.

So while the PR dept consoled parents like me,,,the sales department was FULL steam ahead...SELL SELL SELL....

Years ago they had a similar problem with Dilauded,,,,that company pulled back on the sales....NOT purdue,,,,,$$$$$$

also,,,the pill mill doc who flooded my neighborhood with OXY's and xanax....eventually receive 30-120 years in jail...I was at the trial, Dr Paolino stories are on my news page

6 teens died in a 4 month period,,oxy involved in 5 of these deaths. I am OFFENDED when Purdue says their drug is no worse than any other....It is a handgrenade amongst firecrackers.

It also seems from my emails the first yr or two,,patients love thier OXY's,,,after that they curse the day they started BUT it does have it's place.

www.oxyconned.com











Thanx,,,Ed

RAPP - Relatives Against Purdue Pharma
In memory of Eddie Bisch WWW.oxyABUSEkills.com
HELP SPREAD THE WARNING>>>>

To understand this epidemic get the book PAIN KILLER at the top of my website

you never get over the loss of a child, BUT somehow you learn to live with it
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I was SHOCKED that he thinks we AGREE!

. . . but, whatever. I am done with Ed.

 

I'm done, too. This dude is deluded, and REFUSING to take responsibility for educating his child about drugs, (he probably thought DARE would do that for him....)

This is a WELL KNOWN phenomemon, seen in pain patients who are UNDERMEDICATED or DENIED TREATMENT. Dr. Portenoy, who coined the term had more than ONE patient when he researched and defined this problem.

The solution: TREAT THE PATIENT'S PAIN.

 

That's amazing.
A man you would think would be MATURE about a subject such as this blames EVERYTHING (including a PILL) for his sons death, but doesn't DARE look at his own teachings to his son.
How pathetic.

 

thats what they get for being stupid and ODing
i laugh at them, i feel no pain for them they deserve it if theyre to stupid to know their substance, mind, and body
if u make perscription heroin your gonna have people OD on it
stupid asses
i mean why are they striking against it its their own fault for not taking their kid off it
it wasnt perscribed to their kid for chronic pain so its their own fault

 

What is this? How can anyone logically think that a drug company is responsible for their child's overdose, yet put no responsibility on themselves? Corporations are not responsible for parenting children or making sure people behave properly and responsibly. This person obviously is spending his life fleeing from the idea that he himself may hold some responsibility for the untimely death of his son.

It is just as irrational as suing gun manufacturers when your gang-banging kid gets shot and killed.

 

Look at what is happening with Anabolic Steroids and baseball. I was watching the Witch Hunt, um, I mean Congressional Hearing yesterday, and they had, of course, some parents of kids who had supposedly taken AS and killed themselves. In all the questions the Senators asked and all the comments they made no one said a WORD about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! They went on and on about laws to test EVERY kid in Jr High up for AnaSteroids (like where is the money going to come from to do this?) but not one person suggested EDUCATION of these kids about the drug. Just Say No my fat Italian Butt. And how the baseball players (who are ADULTS and can make thier own decisions) are "role models" and caused the deaths of these kids.)

If a Jr High child thinks Jose Conseco is more of role model than his parent, and will take a steroid JUST BECAUSE Jose did, the parent is to blame, for not educating his child. Just Say No does nuthin but close the door to communication.

Can't they see that Abstenenice Teaching isn''t working, and never has?