Today's Senseless Violence

Discussion in 'Hip News' started by ~Zen~, Apr 11, 2023.

  1. MojoToto

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    The right to bare arms was written in because of the revolution thing - All Palestinians and everyone living in war zones et al should have the right to own guns, missiles, tanks, ricket launchers on both sides of the issue. I guess you could argue the US is and always has been a war zone and perhaps requires an outside peacekeeping force.
     
  2. MojoToto

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    I think a coalition of nations should form a UN type peacekeeping force and go into the US of Arms and collect up all the firearms - and to be fair do the same in every country on earth. The world has definitely become a kids sandbox full of bullies and victims in a neverending game of 'King of the Hill' crossed with 'Dodge Ball' and throw in 'Monopoly' to demonstrate the real reason behind the madness. Oh and let's not forget 'Russian Roulette' for those who are for pro gun laws.
     
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  6. curiousgeorge

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    Oh, I get it alright, but at the same time you're saying that it's OK for having YOUR entire family wiped out tomorrow morning for this mode of transportation.
    So, what to do? NOTHING, I would suspect and with guns, a fruitless endeavor, as it unfortunately is as well, with the end result being the same.
     
  7. Piobaire

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    No; that's not what he's saying. Motor vehicles are essential for many Americans due to our primitive to non-existent public transportation (subject for another rant). As we must have cars to get to work, school, etc., it's an unavoidable risk, but rather than do "nothing", we mitigated that risk. Since the publishing of Ralph Nader's "Unsafe at Any Speed", motor vehicle fatalities have decreased by 80% due to ensuing safety regulations. You now have a 1 in 93 chance of getting killed in an accident. By contrast, your chance of being killed in a terrorist attack (such as a deliberate ramming event) is 1 in 33 million. Which represents the more immediate threat?
    While cars are unavoidable, guns, particularly semi-automatics with high capacity magazines, are wholly unnecessary and serve no public interest in a modern society, and kill 47,000 Americans a year. There's no legitimate reason we can't mitigate that risk, too.
     
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  8. MeAgain

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    Your logic seems to be that as cars can be used as weapons, we don't need any more gun laws.

    Or:
    As anything that is not designed to be a weapon can be used as a weapon, we should not regulate anything that is designed to be used only as a weapon.
     
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  9. curiousgeorge

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    Like said, I get it, but what I also get that so many don't is for knowing that it's a useless endeavor for thinking that you can remove every weapon of war from every household in the world, beginning with the US of A.
    And especially when most don't even know what they're talking about when saying which guns are which for how new legislation should be written. So, as a result, there's many hunting and sporting rifles that also fit these so called weapons of war and they've been around forever.
     
  10. MeAgain

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    Maybe you should try reading some of the proposed (and previously enacted) laws.
    H.R.4296 - Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act
     
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  11. curiousgeorge

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    That's a lot of reading and from back in 1994 that has a lot of holes in it.
    First problem is for repeatedly using the word ....semi- auto assault weapon....which most can only define as one that looks mean and then for making a vague attempt in defining it.
    I'm sure I missed something along the way, so let me ask you if the very popular Ruger 10-22 that so many kids and adults have and love would be banned as well or are all rim fire type weapons exempt from all this?
    All in all and even if passed by a congress that has very little knowledge about these weapons for the most part, would it really stop the carnage or for even slowing it down appreciably?
    As for the legislation, I think I could write a more effective one in just one paragraph without ever using the word Assault weapon that would cover it all, but again, it would be too clear and too easy to comprehend, along with getting rid of most firearms, so there would be no chance of it passing. I think it's basically what they're trying to say as well, but as per usual have to write a book for saying the same thing.
     
  12. MeAgain

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    So, you read it?

    Semi- auto assault weapon is a legal term.
    It is defined differently in different jurisdiction. So what?
    Automobile inspection requirements vary in different jurisdictions.

    A stock Ruger 10-22 would probably not meet the definition of an assault weapon.
    Here's one version:
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    A basic description of an assault weapon would be semi fire with detachable magazine, folding or collapsible stock, extended pistol grip, bayonet lug, threaded barrel, grenade launcher, barrel shroud.
    But again it varies by jurisdiction.

    Why do you assume that congress would not research this topic?
    Right now there are 100 members of Congress that have served in the military.

    Please post this one paragraph that would be more effective than H.R. 4296.
     
  13. curiousgeorge

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    Firstly, the 10-22 does have a detachable magazine and can be replaced with an aftermarket 50round banana mag. Two could be taped together and quickly switched for a total of 100 rounds that could hose down a room in short order, without the need for a folding or collapsible stock, extended pistol grip, bayonet lug, threaded barrel, grenade launcher, or barrel shroud..Granted, it doesn't have the firepower of the larger center fire cartridges, but I still wouldn't want to be on the rapid firing, receiving end of it.

    As for banning certain firearms it might as well be strict and complete which is what they're wanting to do, anyway.
    So for long guns, shot guns included.......no autos or semi-auto's of any kind, with each round having to be chambered individually with a fixed magazine of no more than 6 cartridges and a barrel length of at least 28in and handguns limited to revolvers only, holding no more than 6 rounds.

    Would that pass, hell no or doubtful at best!.
    Even if...........
    Would the black market and home break ins and other forms of theft, increase by 1000%? Hell yes!
    Would the crazies still be able to get their hands on their weapons of choice anyway?. Hell yes!
    Would they find other ways for doing the deed, anyway? Hell yes!

    If I left anything out, please let me know.
     
  14. MeAgain

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    If it were so equipped it could be classified as an assault weapon depending on the jurisdiction.
    Okay. But you left out many veritables, such as would the police be allowed to use semi auto guns? How about grandfather laws? The military? Historical weapons? Penalties?
    Why would home break in increase by 1000%?
    Are you saying that home break ins are directly related to the firepower available to each household? All we have to do is give each home an AR 15 and all home break ins will end?
    Why can't a .357 Magnum revolver be used for home defense? Or a 10 or 12 gauge double barreled shotgun?

    Finally, are you saying that because any law can be ignored, we shouldn't have any laws or that all laws are useless?
     
  15. curiousgeorge

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    But of course if so equiped for which they would be overnight.

    Police and Military, yes and they better be well protected. Grandfather laws have to stand since we don't really want to cause a civil war here.

    What I'm saying is, with the word getting out and passed around that you're a collector from the days of old or for simply having a mean looking semi-auto in your possession, your chances of a home robbery so they could get their hands on it, would increase significantly. I mean if you can't really buy one, like they're saying with new laws being, passed, then you'll have to steal one from somebody.

    And I do believe I made myself clear about 6 round revolvers being OK to legally own, which is my preference anyway, for a lot of reasons.
    And yes double barrel shotguns being OK too, since there's only two rounds available.

    As for laws, we already have a bunch of them, especially in Chicago and NY City, which don't seem to be helping any and to the contrary in fact.
    But Hey, I'm easy, so let's go for it and especially since I'm not adding anymore to what's in my safe already, anyway.
    In fact I'll vote for anything that will save even one person's life and for a child especially.
     
  16. princess peedge

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    I don't know. It just seems like every amendment is open for interpretation and expansion or contraction or even repeal. But not the second.

    It's not about the constitution with these people. It never was. It's arrogance. Their right to own an arsenal of weapons is more important than the lives of school children.

    The same people who whine about protecting children from drag queens and Steinbeck novels have zero interest in protecting children from an AK47.

    It's all about an agenda. Always has been, always will be. And who gives a shit if spilling the blood of elementary school students is needed to protect that agenda?
     
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  17. Twogigahz

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    That would be nothing but a blood bath. People would fight to the bitter end for their guns - there are millions out there...that ship has sailed and taken the dock with it. There would be a revolution - you have to understand the mentality of the typical gun nut.. There's like six million AR-style weapons in circulation and anyone can just about walk into Walmart and buy as much ammo as they want.
     
  18. curiousgeorge

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    So then and on another note, you don't think that the probation era did anything to curb the use of alcohol, either?:rolleyes:;):wink:
    Meanwhile, we can only hope that these gun nuts that make up our 1 million strong civilian army will fight to the bitter end, if ever needed and for making all the WWII resistance fighters that were all over Europe, looking like cub scouts.
     
  19. Twogigahz

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    Well, our civilian army was a major deterrent to the Japanese invading the west coast.

    There is no solution. It's far too late.

    Yeah, prohibition killed a lot of people and made the mob very rich....that is how the Kennedy fortune began, by buying up all the grain companies that were no longer in use to make beer and booze.
     
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    And it never ends with the somebody's finding ways to get around the laws and for capitalizing on the cure, that fast becomes worse than the disease.
    Did I mention those who would be installing 3D printer gun mills in their basements as an addition to their present machine shop?
     

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