Jesus: The biggest Nihilist ever?

Everyone is a Nihilist.
There are two types of Nihilist.

1. A person who lacks belief in anything.
2. A person who believes in nothing.

The first type simply disregards the ability to have knowledge.
The second type claims to have knowledge of something, but can't.

The first type is agnostic.
The second is a theist.

The first type of person makes his own path through life.
The second suffers the consequences of believing in nothingness.

The first type of person lives a positive life in a world of meaninglessness.
The second type of person lives a negative life in a world of meaninglessness.

Religion is a product of Nihilists in denial.

This is a kind of afterthought after reading a few quotes from a book on Nietzsche..

The human need to find meaning in existence - even a negative meaning which denies the possibility of human improvement(Christianity + being born with sin etc) - leads us to the last line of Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals.

"Man would sooner have the void for his purpose than be void of purpose"

In other words, Man would sooner have an imaginary afterlife as his purpose and suffer for it than have no purpose at all.

Have i interpreted him correctly?

 

To say a theist is a person who believes in nothing is a basically atheistic proposition. It assumes there is nothing to believe in. That the theists belief is in a void. Theists would radically differ from this position.

Also religion is only nihilistic when it is focused exclusively on the after life or 'other worlds'. Where it denies either the reality or the validity of this world. Christianity it seems to me does neither of these.
It has also more than one side. There is also the idea of improving our lives in the here and now. You could say perhpas that it probably sought originally to instil in people a greater respect for life.

 

But from an existentialists/nihilists point of view.. religion is belief in a void. I'm taking a viewpoint here.. how can you not with philosophical debate?

Religion of any kind is nihilistic because it either supports the idea of an afterlife (which we cannot know to be true) or the idea of morality which is also subject to debate.

Christians subject themselves to morality that they can't possibly be sure of or have any solid evidence of, hence they believe in a void.

They would sooner restrict themselves and create and illusion of "goodness" than admit that they have no purpose... which i think Nietzsche is saying.

 

Perhaps i am confusing things.

I know that a Nihilist is usually someone who refuses the reality of the world... but are we not all forced to be nihilists?

If the proposition that we cannot have knowledge of anything is true... then any conscious being is forced to be a nihilist.. or live in denial.

Christians therefore live with a belief in nothing as opposed to nothing to believe in.

 

Again, you're only stating one subjective view based in atheism, and possibly even pessimism.

If no knowledge of anything were possible then a 'conscious being' would have to accept that even this self knowledge as a conscious being was probably false - it would be a completely impractical model for actual existence.
Also even the claim that this proposition is true is also subject to its own erasure, because again, it can't be actual knowledge if knowledge is impossible.

Christians believe generally in the Bible and the basic code of ethics it lays down. Regardless of the origins of this document, it is certainly 'something' - whether or not you think the morality is correct is another matter.

It always seems to me that with Nietsche it isn't Christianity so much as humanism, which was arguably a product of Christianity, he despises and fulminates against so much. In that respect, I entirely disagree with him.

 

Anyway, I'd say that Buddha is more a canditate for being a nihilist than Jesus.

 

I agree, that is but an atheistic view, on the presumption that there is nothing out there (no God) and Christians worship this nothingness. To presume there is nothing there is atheism and not theism at all.
And Jesus could not have been a nihilist, as he brought up a Jew and would have believed in God, not just simply as part of his Jewish beliefs but also in a very personal sense as the son of God. To say he did not believe in anything is completely inaccurate.

And to say a christian life is meaningless shows you obviously dont know how fulfilling it can be.

 

You're making a weak argument if you're saying that Jesus or any other religious figure is a nihilist purely because, as a nihilist, you believe religion to be pointless. Aside from the more general argument that -isms are for ideas rather than people (e.g. Stravinsky can be said to have composed through Neo-classicism, atonality, modernism, even post-modernism, but cannot be called a Neo-Classicist, an atonalist, a modernist OR a post-modernist), even ignoring that, Jesus was not a nihilist. As you describe it, devout religious belief is only nihilistic to those who don't share the belief.

I'd hardly say that that's solely true of religious people. Most self-proclaimed nihilists seldom stray far from the realms of societally-acceptable morality, in thought OR in deed.

 

I'm going from what a text book on Nietzsche seemed to explain... it said that a life of Christianity is one of avoidance and unwillingness to except that we are free and have no purpose. It said that Nietzsche believed the Christian way of life to be anti-life and therefore one of nihilism.

For example.. Christians bring their children up to believe that they are bad people because they are living with the sin of Adam and Eve. They repress natural desires such as free sex, art and .. some other things i fail to remember at this moment.

They are unwilling to accept that existence precedes essence and so cannot embrace life for what it really is..

i mean this is pretty much exactly what the text was making out.. so is it simply Nietzsche you disagree with?

 

Is this not the same as a Christian proclaiming "edyb123 is a a sinner because he is a descendant of Adam."?

I was claiming that jesus is a nihilist because he is a human in a meaningless world.

Everyone creates ideas FROM a philosophical perspective. From my perspective.. Jesus was a nihilist.

Well in fact this is just a thought based on what i have read....

 

Theism does not require a God to be practiced. If i am right, and there is no God.. then the whole world is full of self proclaimed theists that believe in nothingness.

I am not saying he didn't have his beliefs.... I'm saying that the beliefs he held were a belief in something that wasn't there..

If something is meaningless, it does not also mean that it is not fulfilling. If i had been brainwashed into thinking that every time i prayed to God i got closer to a "heaven" and a all the beautiful women i could desire.. then of course it would feel fulfilling. But that has nothing to say about whether or not the belief is true.

Imagine living a Christian life of "fulfillment" but also being able to do all those "naughty" but pleasurable things that atheists do. You could have twice the fulfillment!

 

A nihilistic person is a person who accepts that all schools were always fake, that all jobs were always fake, that all media was always Satan, and that all there is to look forwards to is death.
Similar to fatalistic, except that fatalists follow God and nihilists do not. So, Jesus was more close to fatalistic.
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Example of nihilist goals: Assistant says how to end all problems for humans in 2 years (after 1 year, ends 62,000 lives per 100,000 humans), and all this requires is a labroom plus $6000 of reagents/tools.

 

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No. What you've written is pure sophistic nonsense. Does it make sense to you? I doubt it. Just trolling? Probably, since you've given us only two posts since you joined in February--the other equally nonsensical.