Sex and nudity are both perfectly natural, wonderful parts of life. Nudity is not inherently sexual - but human beings are. Why should we be ashamed of sex? And why should anyone shun nudity just because the sight of naked genitalia might lead to arousal? There is nothing wrong with either exposing our naked bodies or having sexual intercourse - and such incredible things don't deserve to be confined only to stuffy bedrooms and tiny bathrooms! It seems so silly that the very notion of becoming excited after seeing a good-looking naked person means that nudity altogether has to become a taboo - let alone the supposed "travesty" that is human sexuality. Oh, what a scandal - two nude adults making consensual, physical love to each other in public? This is such an affront - it says so in this 2000-year-old book I once read a part of! How nice would it be if, instead, our society as a whole simply decided to forever dismiss these irrational inhibitions that were implanted into our culture by so-called "moral authorities" - and embraced the beauty of both public nudity and sex! The alternative to being barefoot is wearing shoes. I'd much rather be barefoot! The alternative to being naked is wearing clothes. I'd much rather be naked! The alternative to masturbation is to refrain from masturbating. I'd much rather masturbate! The alternative to having sex is abstinence from having sex. I'd much rather have sex! Genitalia are beautiful. They deserve to be exposed just like our faces - for they, too, want to smile and kiss, to have fun with others, and if they want to play... why not just let them?
One could argue that wearing clothes also has the potential to be seen as disrespectful. If a naked man opened the door to an unsuspecting visitor who rang on the doorbell of their nudist home, would they have acted in a disrespectful manner? In some countries it is customary for a guest to take off their outdoor shoes when visiting another person's home The host may ask for the to remove their shoes, but I doubt a barefoot host would put on a pair of shoes even if they didn't ask that their guest remove their shoes or did so on their own. I also can't fathom it would be seen as very respectul if a guest suddenly asked the host to put some shoes on, or that they replace their pair of slippers with dress shoes just to match what the guest is wearing. On the other hand, in some places taking off your shoes may not even exist as a custom and could thus be seen as a strange or even inappropriate behavior. Imagine a person waking into a mosque without taking their shoes off - or a person attending a Catholic mass while taking off their shoes at the church entrance, leaving them underneath the holy water font! Fundamentally speaking, clothing is nothing more but a tool that should only be used when environmental circumstances dictate so - so why is our society so intent on cloaking the perfectly natural, naked human form? Why does our society not see wearing clothes as disrespectful, instead? We are disrespecting our own bodies by depriving them of the freedom and joy provided by nudity. Even in a more conservative society, one which is more reliant on religious norms, would it not make more sense if we gave respect to God's creation by choosing to display the human body in all its glory? Digambara monasticism of the Jainist religion, for example, advocates for a completely sky-clad lifestyle. Would our culture, with all its supposed tolerance, go out of its way to placate a following where public nudity holds a religious or cultural significance, as opposed merely to a form of personal expression? A philosophical question would be to whom, and why exactly, is a nude human body disrespectful? Our society is admittedly one where nudity is frowned upon outside of only a handful of designated areas - there is no expectation that everyone ought to witness nudity "anywhere and everywhere", like you said - but culture can (and does) change over time, and the nudist movement has already made significant strides with its advocacy. The obession with wearing clothing at all times in public is a cultural invention of our society, largely influenced by the tenets of Abrahamic religions, which has come to see nudity as inherently connected with sexuality (regardless of what is really the case, or even what is actually written in the scripture) - such conduct is not rational or even universally accepted, as communities where no clothing is ever worn exist in the warmer regions of our planet - but a blind adherence to the dogma of wearing clothes has certainly become the preferred pattern of behavior across much of the globe. A paradigm shift as a result of which public nudity becomes accepted as the default option, with only a select few areas retained where clothing is mandated, seems like an acceptable compromise - and a stepping stone towards a truly clothing-optional (or perhaps even completely nudist) society.
I am what most of you would call a religious person. I'll leave it at that. Our bodies are God's creation. They are "fearfully and wonderfully made". They are Very Good- so said their Creator. They are NOT shameful. We are NOT to be ashamed of them. I am a nudist/naturist. And not a prude! I don't want to go to the bank, post office, grocery store, et ceters in the nude. But I'd like to sunbathe in my back yard, and let the neighbors look or not at their choice. The same with the beach- nudity ought to be the default setting- wear a suit if you want, but don't force it on me. So yeah, I wish nudity was waaaaayy more accepted. Way more.
I grew up in the seventies as a nudist and went often to nudist sites in the UK and across Europe, we had a very open attitude in the house to begin nude and to masturbation and does were never closed even bathroom ones, we usually went on holidays with my aunt and uncle and my cousins, and friends of my parents and their daughter. when we were at these sites you never saw anything remotely sexual, now if that was different behind closed doors I wouldn't like to say, looking back on it I think my parents and their friends used to swap or at least join in with each other, you never really saw anyone with erections or wanking, if you did see someone with an erection it tented to be a kid or teenage boy. But when me and my partner have gone to beaches or resorts today a lot of them tend to be adult only ones, and an older group of people with a few twenty to thirty year olds, I was I bit surprised even given the open nature of my house as a kid, how people would be on the beach lying with erections women obviously aroused and quite often people playing, having sex, and people gathered around watching and wanking. Even in the resort it's self you would see guys sporting erections walking around, though I will say it didn't seem to be creepy or seedy just how it was. I have also been to family nudist resorts in the last few years and they were much more like the ones I remembered from my childhood, this was great as we could go there with the kids and give them an experience of that lifestyle. But I also have to say once they got old enough to be out on their own me and my partner have found we like the adult only resorts were we can be open about being aroused by each other, at home we will often wank next to each other or one of us will walk in and see the other wanking, and at these resorts we can be more how our selves have grown into. I think as we have gotten older nudism and sex have merged as we are now at home since the kids have moved out and no clothing makes sex more spontaneous and it's obvious when we are aroused. But in our days of kids being home with us we wouldn't have been that way even though like in my house we were open about sexuality and topics and if they walked into the bathroom or bedroom and I was erect I wouldn't hide it, or if one of them were masturbating we wouldn't freak out about it, there is no way we would have been as sexual as we are now. I think age family and over all how you feel about nudism and sex should define how you approach that life style, and I think there is space for both views and space for resorts that cater to both ways but I think very separate ones so people aren't offend and younger nudist are not exposed to things that Thier parents wouldn't won't them to be.
I don't know what part of HF this fits into. Mods feel free to move it. I never intended to offend any one who is circumcised with my comments regarding my wife's opinions which I posted. At a nudist area it makes no difference, intact or not, we're all people first. I will say, as an intact guy, I get looked at/stared at. But I'm used to it.
On one end of the spectrum, you've got "purists" who denounce anything they interpret as a "sexual expression" as anti-nudist and a breach of nudist etiquette. On the other end you've got "hedonists" who see sex in anything where nudity is involved - no matter how non-sexual the nudity actually is. Most of us are somewhere in between. My wife and I have socialized with avowed swingers; with due respect for each other's proclivities and boundaries. I've never seen a nudist woman freak out if a dude happened to be partially erect. My wife is fairly modest, while a friend of ours likes to let it all "hang out"; and the two women are BFFs. Ultimately, it's about a person's character.
I’m glad I found this thread, although even later than you two. It’s good to hear ( read) the give and take between different people who have widely different ideas, but the debate goes on in a respectful manner. My wife and I feel very much the way you two seem to, and have had many similexperiences, thanks for posting.
I'm glad to see this thread come up and there doesn't seem to be much disagreement at this time like I have seen on other threads. Usually I see people on both sides arguing about what is acceptable and what is not. It's good to see a thread where we are all civil about this subject.
JH90322, there's a point that you're missing. What naturists say is "The only thing we do differently from anyone else is we want to be naked". Not less sex, not more sex, just being naked. If you say naturists reject sex, that's because you assume openness about it will be welcome, and when you find it's just the same as in clothed society, you blame naturism. But you're the one who wants things to be different! It's pretty tiresome to find people saying this kind of thing over and over again.
So it's about girls on beaches in bikinis? (While the guys are in knee-length shorts.) It's not much to offer as evidence for how naturists are suppressing sex, if nobody wears swimsuits at all. If it's about flirtation (I'll show you this but not that) then it's true, naturists have locked themselves out of that kind of activity. It kind of goes with the territory. You're presenting a message that we've heard before, but nobody ever adds a story about how they acted out sexually in some group and it was fine with everyone, but when they tried the same thing among naturists, people got angry. Or, well, what have your experiences actually been with sex in the clothed world, where you couldn't do the same thing with naturists?