What's ur opinion on Biden?

Tishomingo · May 20, 2024

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Coachdb18 · Jun 17, 2023

MeAgain said: ↑

What about Hunter's laptop?
You're about 50 years to late with your talk of "the man".
At one time their was an underground counterculture...............

/BLAH BLAH BLAH ....
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This will not age well.... no better than Nixon's 'I am not a crook!'

Up4Fun757 · Jun 17, 2023

Haha.. This thread really should be re-titled... as something like - "What's Ur opinion on Biden, so we can compare it to Trump, and then we'll discredit it." lol. An opinion is just that. I'm sure there are plenty of Trump threads, but it's interesting that he's written about so frequently in a "Give us ur opinion on Biden thread. Regretting giving mine, and that's kinda sad as I didn't give it to sway anyone... I still hold out hope for the future candidates being better choices then our current choices. I honestly don't believe Biden will be the Dems candidate next November - and I'd be perfectly fine with that. -- I guess now you can claim "Another one bites the dust"? lol

Tishomingo · May 20, 2024

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Coachdb18 · Jun 17, 2023

The Biden method ....

Tishomingo · May 20, 2024

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Up4Fun757 · Jun 18, 2023

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Wow, what a laundry list. It gives us some insight into your mentality. Enough "red flags" for a May Day parade. This may take the rest of the week to reply to, but I hope I get some help from others. (I note brother Magain has already outdone me while I was typing this. Thanks, Meagain) My wife isn't ill, but she and the kids do expect some attention. So I'll have to limit myself to the first few points and get back to you.

You begin with innuendo: "Hunter’s laptop… but that was deemed “Russian disinformation” (But, unfortunately it wasn’t)…" Well, waddabout it. Here's my take. As an observer of past Retrumplican election hearings, this is the sequel to Benghazi. Recall, Rudy Gulliani's trip to the Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden, and Trump's subsequent attempt to use military aid to Ukraine to extort Zelinsky's help in this endeavor. I think this is the usual Republican ploy, pioneered by Joe McCarthy and continued by Kevin, to use congressional investigatory power to discredit a political opponent by holding bogus hearings. As Chuck Grassley noted: “We are not interested in whether the allegations against Vice President Biden are accurate or not...” Until these allegations become more tangible, I hesitate to give them much weight. The evidence against Trump is more substantial. I don't think his inflammatory language discrediting the election results, which he continues, is fabricated by the Democrats. Nor do I think his incitement of the Jan. 6 insurrection (a bit more violent than the usual tourist visit) was a false flag show by Antifa. People have been convicted in jury trials and gone to prison for that, but Trump remains on the loose and is calling them "patriots". And he has publicly admitted that he took the classified documents and has every right to keep them. Neither Biden nor Hillary went that far!

Next, you bring up "the Man". Like you, I wasn't around for the original hippies, being introduced to the phenomenon at Rainbow Family gatherings. My understanding though is that the concept wasn't limited to politicians, but extended to the "military-industrial" complex, Big Business, and billionaires. Trump presumably fit into the latter categories. It's common in the "heartland" states of Middle America like mine for conventional folks (not hippies) to be leery of politicians but to have a worshipful view of gazillionaires who must be pretty smart if they made that much money. That wasn't the hippie view, and is naive. In her biography of Trump, Too much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man, Trump's niece, clinical psychologist Dr. Mary Trump presents Donald as "the Man"--a poor little rich kid, son of a ruthless, wheeling and dealing, real estate tycoon who was largely absent as a father but expected his son to measure up. Trump was never a successful businessman. He got $1M from his Dad and $413M plus more from the estate, and blew much of it on bad investments. According to Mary. Trump learned to lie and bully people to cover up his sense of inadequacy. Those voters who were looking for an outsider uncontaminated by politics to come in and clean up government got a rude surprise. He began his presidency with a tax cut that brought about a massive economic windfall for the rich and corporations, at an estimated cost of $2.3 billion over the next decade. He then proceeded to install corrupt pro-industry types in cabinet positions and to de-regulate environmental and natural resources protections. Not something good hippies would like.

Biden, it's true, is a career politician, as is the Bern. Both of them have done well. Socialist Bernie Sanders' estimated net worth is $2million. Biden's is much better: $9 million, according to Forbes Here's How Much 2020 Presidential Candidate Joe Biden Is Worth, based on this 2020 disclosures. How did he get that? Ostensibly, most of it through book tours and speaking engagements, like Hillary, after his vice presidency. Crooked dealings are, thus far, left to the imagination. Biden is noted for compromising across the aisle, glad handing unsavory politicians like Strom Thurman and Kevin McCarthy (so far, not Putin nor Kim Jong-un, who are notable buddies of Trump). So you're going by a general suspicion of politicians in expecting us to equivocate between Biden and billionaire con artist Trump? Sorry, I don't share that prejudice.
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9 or 10 Trump references again... sheesh, this guy lives rent free in your head. I don't think I mentioned Drumpf once in my opinion of lyin Biden. Focus man.

Up4Fun757 · Jun 18, 2023

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At least no other has declared, except RFK, Jr., the anti-vaxer conspiracy nut who thinks the CIA is out to assassinate him. If a better alternative comes along, I'm open to reconsideration--so long as (s)tands a chance against Trump or DeSantis
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At the moment, I think RFK, Jr or DeSantis are the more appealing candidates compared to Biden. I see the MSM already attempting to dilute RFK though. However, at least RFK takes a forthright approach to major issues, he can complete a sentence, he can find his way off a stage, and communicate without a teleprompter. He's probably doomed though, simply based on his on issues that go against the MSM narrative, such as his controversial stance on the war in Ukraine, in which he opposes American's involvement. He's also critical of our Intelligence agencies - which we all should be. Like you, the media sheepherder's and talking heads that rule, will label him a conspiracy theorist and try and undermine him at every chance. Sounds like my kinda guy. If the establishment is against him, he's obviously doing something right in my eyes. Some of this negative attention so early on probably helps Biden... deflect attention from his age, and waning faculties.. Crazy inflation, his weak appearance on China and of course Hunter and his problems (laptop, taxes, child support..etc)...

I guess we'll have to see... again, my prediction is Biden isn't the 2024 candidate.

MeAgain · Jun 18, 2023

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At the moment, I think RFK, Jr or DeSantis are the more appealing candidates compared to Biden. I see the MSM already attempting to dilute RFK though. However, at least RFK takes a forthright approach to major issues, he can complete a sentence, he can find his way off a stage, and communicate without a teleprompter. He's probably doomed though, simply based on his on issues that go against the MSM narrative, such as his controversial stance on the war in Ukraine, in which he opposes American's involvement. He's also critical of our Intelligence agencies - which we all should be. Like you, the media sheepherder's and talking heads that rule, will label him a conspiracy theorist and try and undermine him at every chance. Sounds like my kinda guy. If the establishment is against him, he's obviously doing something right in my eyes. Some of this negative attention so early on probably helps Biden... deflect attention from his age, and waning faculties.. Crazy inflation, his weak appearance on China and of course Hunter and his problems (laptop, taxes, child support..etc)...

I guess we'll have to see... again, my prediction is Biden isn't the 2024 candidate.
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RFK Jr. sunk himself with his conspiracy views on COVID. It's a shame the MSM reports on his own words and then fact checks them.
He doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO, I don't know why not, but he wants to let Russia join NATO. Figure that one out.
He also seems to believe that the U.S started the war in Ukraine as "a US war against Russia" in order to "sacrifice the flower of Ukrainian youth in an abattoir of death and destruction for the geopolitical ambition of the neocons".
Even though it was Russia who invaded Ukraine.
And he wants to take control of the Donbas region away from Ukraine and give it to the United Nations.

Apparently you like conspiracy theorists, that is those who believe in conspiracies they can't prove, and JFK Jr. fits right in with that.
1. He claimed thimerosal was related to autism in children. But he can't prove it.
2. He claimed the government was covering up detrimental information about vaccines. But he can't prove it.
3. He claimed COVID vaccines cause death. But he can't prove it.
4. He claimed Fauci was profiting from the drug company Moderna. But he can't prove it.
5. He compared the COVID restrictions to Hitler's holocaust.
6. He claimed mass shootings are caused by Prosac. But he can't prove it.
7. He claimed that voter fraud lost the 2004 presidential election for John Kerry. But he can't prove it.
8. He claimed the CIA killed JFK. But he can't prove it.
9. He doesn't think Sirhan Sirhan killed his father, even though he confessed.
10. He claimed Switzerland has a higher per capita rate of firearm ownership than the U.S., which is wrong.
11. He claimed that COVID is a manufactured biological weapon. But he can't prove it.

It's sad because I agree with many of his other stances, but he obviously is not thinking with a clear mind.

Up4Fun757 · Jun 18, 2023

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RFK Jr. sunk himself with his conspiracy views on COVID. It's a shame the MSM reports on his own words and then fact checks them.
He doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO, I don't know why not, but he wants to let Russia join NATO. Figure that one out.
He also seems to believe that the U.S started the war in Ukraine as "a US war against Russia" in order to "sacrifice the flower of Ukrainian youth in an abattoir of death and destruction for the geopolitical ambition of the neocons".
Even though it was Russia who invaded Ukraine.
And he wants to take control of the Donbas region away from Ukraine and give it to the United Nations.

Apparently you like conspiracy theorists, that is those who believe in conspiracies they can't prove, and JFK Jr. fits right in with that.
1. He claimed thimerosal was related to autism in children. But he can't prove it.
2. He claimed the government was covering up detrimental information about vaccines. But he can't prove it.
3. He claimed COVID vaccines cause death. But he can't prove it.
4. He claimed Fauci was profiting from the drug company Moderna. But he can't prove it.
5. He compared the COVID restrictions to Hitler's holocaust.
6. He claimed mass shootings are caused by Prosac. But he can't prove it.
7. He claimed that voter fraud lost the 2004 presidential election for John Kerry. But he can't prove it.
8. He claimed the CIA killed JFK. But he can't prove it.
9. He doesn't think Sirhan Sirhan killed his father, even though he confessed.
10. He claimed Switzerland has a higher per capita rate of firearm ownership than the U.S., which is wrong.
11. He claimed that COVID is a manufactured biological weapon. But he can't prove it.

It's sad because I agree with many of his other stances, but he obviously is not thinking with a clear mind.
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Well if thinking with a clear mind is the standard, then Biden isn't for you either.

Also, I imagine he's more in the know than you.. and you can't prove he's wrong... so there is that. I happen to believe in some of the views (theories) you've claimed he believes, but I'm not heavily vested in him yet, and yet I still find him more appealing, clear headed and forthright than Biden.

MeAgain · Jun 18, 2023

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Well if thinking with a clear mind is the standard, then Biden isn't for you either.

Also, I imagine he's more in the know than you.. and you can't prove he's wrong... so there is that. I happen to believe in some of the views (theories) you've claimed he believes, but I'm not heavily vested in him yet, and yet I still find him more appealing, clear headed and forthright than Biden.
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Biden is very rational, as opposed to JFK Jr.
Biden has surrounded himself with very capable advisors including Tony Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Lloyd Austin, Avril Haines, Kamala Harris, Ron Klain, and John Kerry.
He listens to scientists, not quacks like Sherri Tenpenny, Joseph Mercola, Ty and Charlene Bollinger, Rizza Islam, Rashid Buttar, Erin Elizabeth, Sayer Ji, Kelly Brogan, Christiane Northrup, Ben Tapper and Kevin Jenkins.

He does have a stuttering problem which tends to make some of his speeches seem to be disjointed, but that is a physical handicap, not a mental one.

I agree that RFK Jr. might know more about me on certain subjects, he just doesn't process what he knows very well.

The argument that I can't disprove a conspiracy theory, therefore it must be right, is ridiculous.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam

Up4Fun757 · Jun 18, 2023

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Biden is very rational, as opposed to JFK Jr.
Biden has surrounded himself with very capable advisors including Tony Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Lloyd Austin, Avril Haines, Kamala Harris, Ron Klain, and John Kerry.
He listens to scientists, not quacks like Sherri Tenpenny, Joseph Mercola, Ty and Charlene Bollinger, Rizza Islam, Rashid Buttar, Erin Elizabeth, Sayer Ji, Kelly Brogan, Christiane Northrup, Ben Tapper and Kevin Jenkins.

He does have a stuttering problem which tends to make some of his speeches seem to be disjointed, but that is a physical handicap, not a mental one.

I agree that RFK Jr. might know more about me on certain subjects, he just doesn't process what he knows very well.

The argument that I can't disprove a conspiracy theory, therefore it must be right, is ridiculous.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam
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I find it interesting that you label him a term that the CIA derived to squash the emerging theories regarding his uncle's assassination. I have little respect for half the Biden advisors you listed - Especially Blinken and Austin.. Kamala, has also proven to be quite worthless. Regarding Biden's stuttering, he's had 80+ years to work through that. I'll admit, he used to not do too bad for someone with multiple brain aneurysms... but, now I'm afraid it's just old age and dementia that keeps poor old Joe lost.

Tishomingo · May 21, 2024

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MeAgain · Jun 18, 2023

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I find it interesting that you label him a term that the CIA derived to squash the emerging theories regarding his uncle's assassination. I have little respect for half the Biden advisors you listed - Especially Blinken and Austin.. Kamala, has also proven to be quite worthless. Regarding Biden's stuttering, he's had 80+ years to work through that. I'll admit, he used to not do too bad for someone with multiple brain aneurysms... but, now I'm afraid it's just old age and dementia that keeps poor old Joe lost.
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I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to the CIA.
I believe you have no respect for anyone who doesn't subscribe to the simplistic theory that the media runs the world.

Tishomingo · May 20, 2024

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Up4Fun757 · Jun 18, 2023

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I'd strongly encourage you not to vote in 2024. All of the contenders have flaws, and the ones you seem to be attracted to are among the most dangerous. You seem to assume that everything said about DeSantis and RFK is made up by the MSM, but swallow everything you hear that's negative about Biden. What are your news sources? I've been following RFK, Jr. for some time and am going by what comes out of his mouth and pen. Hitler also took a forthright position on issues. Are you an anti-vaxer?

Knee jerk "anti-Establishmentarianism" is a foolish way to operate. The Establishment isn't a monolith. The Alt Right Breitbart is the brainchild of the multi-billionaire Mercers who bankroll Trump. Who do you think is backing RFK and DeSantis? De Santis gets his financial backing from motel and aeronautics mogul Robert Bigelow and from Ken Griffin, the billionaire CEO of the multinational hedge fund Citadel. RFK, Jr. is supported by Twitter's co-founder and former CEO Jack Dorsey. As for the Alternative Media, Fox and the New York Post are part of the Murdoch publishing empire, smarting from the recent court defeat over spreading election denial disinformation. OAN is run by Trump enthusiast multi-billionaire tech mogul, Robert Herring, Jr., who was motivated by ire at the FBI for investigating a circuit board factory that he owned. InfoWars is reeling from defeat in the defamation lawsuit brought against Larry Jones for falsely claiming that the students slaughtered at SandyHook were really method actors faking it. The National Enquirer, the pro-Trump scandal-palgued scandal tabloid, was recently solda and is under new management after criticism of it's suppressing negative news about Trump. So what's left? Trump's Truth Social? Russia Today? Q-Anon? (the perpetrators of Q-Anon are, as the name says, anonymous, but fingers point to conspiracy theorist James Watkins and his son Ron, right wing conspiracy theorists.)
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Oh I'm DEFINITELY VOTING... Who the fuck are you to encourage me not to vote? Just because I don't share your opinions of Biden? I've served this country all around the world, continue to serve and have the most to lose if it goes belly up.

Also, I try and get my news from various unbiased sources. I provided a link earlier, but I'm not here to promote - Only to provide my opinion on the subject - Biden. Good job on limiting your comparisons to Trump to only six times in your latest response. You're like a Trump commercial at this point to anyone opposed to Biden, you refer to him so very much.

As for the extreme media sources you cite, I have no care for their views, but understand they exist. I have a very low opinion for our representatives - because they don't represent.. but I'm drawn to those that have successfully governed for sure. As they've actually led people. I also share RFK Jr.'s skepticism of big pharma and vaccines being the savior of humanity. The healthcare industry is the proverbial self-licking ice cream cone, and big pharma rules healthcare in general.

Up4Fun757 · Jun 18, 2023

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I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to the CIA.
I believe you have no respect for anyone who doesn't subscribe to the simplistic theory that the media runs the world.
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Big corporations (that own the MSM) seem to run this country... I wouldn't go as far as the world, but WEF and other globalists are trying to accomplish this goal, in my opinion.

Tishomingo · May 20, 2024

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MeAgain · Jun 18, 2023

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I also share RFK Jr.'s skepticism of big pharma and vaccines being the savior of humanity.
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Vaccines have "saved" humanity.
Jenner's 1796 vaccine Smallpox vaccine led to its eradication in 1980.
Here's what it looked like:

In 1885 Pasteur developed the rabies vaccine.
In 1914 a whooping cough vaccine was born. I've had whooping cough, not fun.
Other successful vaccines include one for diphtheria in 1926, tetanus in 1938, influenza in 1945 and mumps in 1948.
I knew two people who were deformed by polio, before they could get the vaccine developed in 1955. I still remember the "March of Dimes" collections at the movie theaters. But that was before the anti vac people went off the rail.
I had the measles and rubella before vaccines were devolved in 1963 and 69.
One for influenza was developed in 1945 I had an aunt that died from that in the early 40s.
A vaccine for Malaria arrived in 2021.
And don't forget the COVID vaccine.

George Washington ordered vaccinations for the Continental Army in 1777, but he was a liberal after all.
Millions of people have been saved by vaccines, but are you telling me you would not have your children vaccinated for any of the above?
Never had a tetanus shot?

Let's remember million of native Americans were wiped out by smallpox, chickenpox, syphilis, malaria, influenza, measles, and the bubonic plague. Probably because they were anti vaxxers.
Anti science, anti rational, anti doctor/health care.
Sad.

Up4Fun757 · Jun 18, 2023

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What word is that? "Conspiracy theory?" So you think the CIA invented the concept to conceal deep state involvement involvement in the assassination of JFK? Hmm. Tell us more. From what conspiracy theory site did you get that one? Q-Anon. Do you believe they're all real? What about all the ones surrounding the COVID vaccine? Are you, like JFK,Jr., an anti-Vaxer?

Poor, lost old Joe, the senile criminal mastermind you've been complaining about. BTW he did pretty well in the recent debt ceiling negotiations! At least he is able to finish his sentences, which is something Trump, four years his junior, is often unable to do. Your remark about Biden having 80+ years to work on his stuttering is low. It'll catch up to you, sooner or later--if you live long enough.
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Four sentences, and only one mention of Trump.. you're improving! lol. Your questions of my opinions are ridiculously extreme.. Q-Anon? lmao... for having a poor opinion of Biden? IRT negotiations on the debt ceiling.. thank God we didn't default, but negotiations are exactly that. Unfortunately, it's pay now or pay later with the level of spending seen since G.W. Bush. Thanks, ya made my point exactly regarding Joe's age and fitness. My father is 81, and twice as spry and mentally agile, but even he doesn't believe he should be President.. and he's a die hard Union backing Democrat... as I was raised.

In regards to him being a "criminal matermind" - I never said that. I do believe he more than likely peddled his influence as VP, and enriched his family with it... selling us all out, but I know we disagree.. where's the proof..etc...etc.

I also never said I'm an Anti-Vaxxer.. More skeptical of big pharma, their intentions and their role in modern medicine. There is no denying the positives of vaccines throughout history; however, the greed at this point of time is historic. I have very personal reasons to be skeptical and have inside knowledge as a childhood friend is a VP of Abbott, and another is a doctor... and my wife is battling cancer (that has a life expectancy of 6mos - 1 year).. She's four years into her fight. Big pharma, nor her Oncologist has been her savior.

As for RFK wanting a Vaccine Safety Commission and his other so called outlandish views, he wouldn't be elected King... only President, with limited power. I'm not saying he's our man.. but he's better than Biden in my book. Could I encourage you to consider to not vote? I'm concerned your vote will cancel out mine.

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