Why does everyone believe in conspiracy theories nowadays?

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  2. Shy0ne

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    I thought it was pretty common knowledge that hitler was forced into war.
    I posted quotes that are referenced and on the record, not sure why you would call them lies?

    Hitler sued for peace 16 times and the allies flipped him the bird.

    He even dropped peace proposals from a plane all over england!

    Like I said I thought much of this was common knowledge, I guess I was wrong.

    https://www.quora.com › Is-it-true-Hitler-sued-for-peace-several-times-but-Churchill-rejected-them-all?share=1
    Is it true Hitler sued for peace several times but Churchill rejected ...
    He was obsessed with making peace with Britain and France as he never wanted to fight them in the first place as all his territorial ambitions lay eastward. Interestingly, unofficial British policy from 1935-1939 was designed to encourage Hitler to channel his aggressions eastwar

    David Pyne
    Former Armor Officer at U.S. Army (1992–1995)

    Yes. According to the excellent book “The Hitler-Hess Deception” by Martin Allen, a recently unclassified high-level British Foreign Ministry memo noted 16 separate German peace attempts from September 1939-June 1941. The British and French declarations of war on Germany in September 3, 1939 came as a shock to Hitler.

    He was obsessed with making peace with Britain and France as he never wanted to fight them in the first place as all his territorial ambitions lay eastward.


    Interestingly, unofficial British policy from 1935–1939 was designed to encourage Hitler to channel his aggressions eastward towards the Soviet Union, which is exactly what he did. The British military guarantee of March 1939 marked a major departure from previous British policy and caused the Polish government to refuse to negotiate a peaceful resolution of the Danzig issue. Hitler had hoped to get Poland and Britain to ally with Germany against the USSR but Polish refusal to return the “free city” of Danzig when he had not asked for one single inch of Polish territory caused Hitler to invade Poland. He subsequently made peace offers to the Western Allies on September 2, 1939, October 6,. 1939, July 1940 and May 10, 1941 with many in between.

    Churchill had become Prime Minister on May 10, 1940 and he was determined to continue the war until Germany was destroyed once and for all no matter how generous the peace terms offered by Hitler.

    Britain actually came fairly close to accepting peace with Germany was on May 28, 1940 during the so-called War Cabinet crisis when Halifax who had turned down the offer to become Prime Minister instead of Churchill, but who was still serving as Foreign Minister, persuaded the majority of the War Cabinet to negotiate a peace agreement with Nazi Germany on favorable terms to the British even threatening to resign before Churchill outmaneuvered him. Had Halifax resigned, Chamberlain likely would have resigned with him resulting in the call of a no confidence vote in the Churchill-led coalition government. That would have likely led to Halifax reluctantly agreeing to serve as PM with the full support of Chamberlain, who was still the leader of the Conservative Party, and the King to negotiate an end to the war. The terms of such a treaty likely would have been similar to the terms offered by Hitler in July 1940 and May 1941. The terms stated below were very favorable to Britain as they essentially would result in the retreat of all German troops from all nations occupied during the war but Poland and Luxembourg causing Germany to retreat to its October 1939 line of control without the need for a single drop of British blood to be shed.

    The May 1943 American Mercury article summarized the terms of Hitler’s May 10, 1941 formal peace offer, which was confirmed by multiple British sources and typed in both German and English on official German Chancellory paper, as follows:

    Hitler offered total cessation of the war in the West. Germany would evacuate all of France except Alsace and Lorraine, which would remain German. It would evacuate Holland and Belgium, retaining Luxembourg. It would evacuate Norway and Denmark. In short, Hitler offered to withdraw from Western Europe, except for the two French provinces and Luxembourg [Luxembourg was never a French province, but an independent state of ethnically German origin], in return for which Great Britain would agree to assume an attitude of benevolent neutrality towards Germany as it unfolded its plans in Eastern Europe.


    In addition, the Führer was ready to withdraw from Yugoslavia and Greece. German troops would be evacuated from the Mediterranean generally, and Hitler would use his good offices to arrange a settlement of the Mediterranean conflict between Britain and Italy.

    No belligerent or neutral country would be entitled to demand reparations from any other country, he specified. The proposal contained many other points, including plans for plebiscites and population exchanges where these might be necessitated by shifts in population that has resulted from the military action in Western Europe and the Balkans. But the versions circulating in authoritative circles all agree on the basic points outlined above …

    Hess emphasized that his Leader would not quibble over details -- Britain could practically write its own peace terms.”


    In addition, Hess stated that “Germany had no designs on America.” German leaders informed the British that Hitler was willing to commit to the “restoration of a Polish state” which presumably meant a Polish puppet state aligned with Nazi Germany (which would be much better than having Poland continue under direct Nazi rule) and wanted to negotiate the return of former German colonies which had been taken from Germany after World War I.

    They also told the British that Hitler agreed to preserve Britain’s full independence and keep all of its other colonial possessions even proposing a 25-year Anglo-German alliance in which Germany would offer the use of its troops to defend the British Empire, if necessary.

    One of the express terms of Hitler’s peace offer was “the resettlement of the Jews in Palestine.” [Proven by Haavara!]


    Pretty much all the American, British and French lives lost during that period can be blamed on Churchill because 7 of the 9 countries Germany had invaded between 1939–1945 would have been liberated if Hitler’s final peace offer to Britain hand carried by Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess had been accepted while the Jewish Holocaust (which Hitler did not plan until the British refused two years of his pleas to deport them from Europe) would have been averted. If the US and UK didn’t fight Nazi Germany after June 1941, then Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union would have likely continued fighting for control of Eastern Europe for many years beyond actual history though a temporary armistice might have been reached. The Soviet Union would have been weakened hemmed in by Nazi Germany in Eastern Europe and Japan in the Far East so the US would not have had to fight a Cold War and lose 100,000 troops in Korea and Vietnam. The Pacific War likely never would have been fought. China and North Korea would never have fallen to Communist control and would be US allies today. Over 100 million innocent lives, including six million Jews, likely would have been saved.

    https://www.realclearhistory.com/ar...ss_was_the_last_casualty_of_ww_ii_788057.html


    Lies? Its common knowledge among historians!
     
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  3. MeAgain

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    Denialism: what drives people to reject the truth.
    Remember, "I don't deny the holocaust, I just don't believe it happened."
    It is perfectly clear what the agenda is.
    In this thread notice that the unbeliever claims to be disinterestedly “correct” the historical record. Remember Eisenhower is the bad guy and Hitler was forced into invading Poland, just like Putin was forced into invading Ukraine. I guess Biden is now the bad guy.

    How to combat these denials of truth when the deniers see themselves as heroes and that only they and their allies know the truth?

    Everyday that a conspiracy theory exists is a victory for the deniers. Time is on their side as they can throw out venomous reams of theories, lies, misinformation, and propaganda as they never have to prove any of it.

    I encourage everyone to take the time to read the complete article. Perhaps I'll post more of it later.
     
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    what is AGNOSTIC for 100
     
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    So you deny the OFFICIAL record?

    Read it for yourself!

    I encourage everyone to read Kaufmans insanity that played a strong role in scaring the hell out of germany since americans endorsed this insanity. America said nothing to Germany to quash their fears, they wanted the war too.

    Germany must perish! : Kaufman, Theodore N. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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    Kaufman was a Manhattan-born Jew and his advocacy of genocide attracted great attention in Germany.[7] The book was denounced in Germany as an "orgy of Jewish hatred", and it was seen as inspired by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt's supposed polemical anti-German agitation.[14] American journalist Howard K. Smith was in Germany when Germany Must Perish! became known. He wrote:[15]

    No man has ever done so irresponsible a disservice to the cause his nation is fighting and suffering for than Nathan Kaufman. His half-baked brochure provided the Nazis with one of the best light artillery pieces they have, for, used as the Nazis used it, it served to bolster up that terror which forces Germans who dislike the Nazis to support, fight and die to keep Nazism alive ...

    In September 1941, Julius Streicher published an essay in Der Stürmer that called Kaufman's book "the crazy thinking of [an] insane Jewish brain". He quoted Kaufman at length and then commented: "By destroying the German people, the Jew wants to stop up the spring from which, since the beginning, the world has always found its creative blood, the source of all that is beautiful, good and noble."[16] Joseph Goebbels also gave a radio address from Berlin warning Germans of "plans 'for sterilization of our entire population under 60 years' of age".[4] These concerns were echoed by Adolf Hitler himself after the US entered World War II; he claimed mass sterilization of German male youth was a "primary" American goal.[4]

    When the Jews of Hanover were evicted on September 8, 1941, the local authorities cited Kaufman's book as one of the reasons.[2] Kaufman responded:[17][18]
     
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    Yes I know, as stated before they use their Dick Tracy secret decoder watches when reading documents, there is a powerful boogieman behind every tree! lol

    Their Dick Tracy secret decoder watches told them "deportation" is really diabolical "extermination killing"!
     
  7. ~Zen~

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    Bullshit... I haven't seen so much in a long time.

    You are completely deluded @shyone.
     
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    To quote another site member:

    "As they say, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
     
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    Im not the one with a conspiracy theory.

    Im agnostic, do you understand the position of an bonafide agnostic?

    https://www.dictionary.com › e › atheism-agnosticism
    Atheism vs Agnosticism: What's the Difference? - Dictionary
    Aug 15, 2022Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god. In contrast, the word agnostic refers to a person who neither believes nor disbelieves in a god or religious doctrine. Agnostics assert that it's impossible to know how the universe was created and whether or not divine beings exist.

    I suggest you all look at yourselves ;):p
    At the core of every conspiracy theory is the idea that a powerful person, or group of people, is secretly hatching a dastardly scheme.
    The Mind of a Conspiracy Theorist
     
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    it only had to be done once, we organized the whole world against hitler and kicked the snot out of him!

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    Its not my fault I did my homework and its so easy for me to site rebuttals to every claim!

    I neither believe nor disbelieve, but with all the evidence quashing Holocaust claims I can certainly see why others would conclude the holocaust narrative is probematic. Im still waiting for justification of the holocaust before I accept it as a fact.

    Did you forget the 3 million error made by expert historians so soon? Its a matter of record there is no dispute, since they are alleged experts which one is a lie? 6 million or 3 million?


    I told you I dont believe ANYTHING unless properly convinced, I did not make a religion out of it as so many have and I wont join your religion by intimidation, only by being properly convinced by validation, and you all have failed miserably to accomplish that goal.

    I just heard from one of my nieces that a teacher was actually teaching the world is flat in school.
     
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    Just read an interesting article in "The Conversation" about holocaust deniers.

    Titled "How to fight Holocaust denial in social media" some might find this article quite explanatory of the phenomenon we are observing right here on the HipForums.

    "One in four American millennials believe the Holocaust was exaggerated or entirely made up, according to a recent national survey that sought to find out what young adults know about the genocide of nearly 6 million Jews at the hands of Nazis some 80 years ago."

    Even Zuckerburg banned mention of it on Facebook.

    Perhaps we have heard enough.

    The bottom line of the story quoted above is:
    "Holocaust deniers have long waited for the time when there were no remaining survivors or witnesses to keep these histories alive. But the internet is a powerful archive. Social networks have an opportunity to combat hateful disinformation by posting the personal stories of these tragedies, and end the so-called “debate” about whether the Holocaust ever happened."

    And BTW, Eisenhower was not Jewish, German in fact by ancestry.
     
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    Very good article.
     
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    So even though I have never once denied the plethora of holocausts you intend to gag me?
    How democratic!

    Yes like your article says Zuckerberg did gag people and so did Twitter.

    Now that Elon Musk bought Twitter we now know of the FBI involvement and pressure put on twitter by the FBI so its pretty safe bet to have high suspicion that if the FBI is insisting that twitter gag people that the FBI is interfering with facebook.

    If the objective of a discussion board is to coerce and force people to join their religion then I guess thats your decision.

    Another (maybe) excellent discussion would be how 'denial-of-a-crime' has any bearing or relationship on race creed or color. We are talking about the holocaust as a crime are we not?

    If you decide you want to gag the topic please be sure to gag both sides including any mention of hitler outside of military strategy to be fair.
     
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    A nice Jewish gal from Zens source:

    Free speech used to be honored by both left and right – now shouting down opponents and banning disliked speech is a bipartisan cause
    Published: May 4, 2023 8.12am EDT


    Disclosure statement
    Erica Goldberg does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.

    University of Dayton provides funding as a member of The Conversation US.

    We believe in the free flow of information

    Students’ shutting down campus public speakers has become increasingly common at universities across the U.S.

    Recently at Stanford Law School, student protesters shouted over a Trump-appointed federal judge and disrupted the speech he had been invited by students to give.

    Instead of telling the students that they were in violation of Stanford’s speech policy, the associate dean of diversity, equity, and inclusion, who attended the event, appeared to sympathize with the students. Taking the podium, she criticized the judge, in part because he was being hostile toward the student protesters.

    The law school’s dean then issued a public apology to the judge and explained to the public that Stanford’s speech policies do not permit coordinated efforts to shut down invited speakers.

    Free speech used to be honored by both left and right -- now shouting down opponents and banning disliked speech is a bipartisan cause

    At least academia agrees with me ;)
    A better article imo
     
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    Seriously people you need to research this stuff before coming out here and making statements based upon sentiment or popular opinion.

    Eisenhower is/was a Swedish Jew, complete with signature and citation!

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    Eisenhower Is A derivative Of Eisenhauer A Jewish Name

    for heritage and ANCESTRY tree see: Eisenhower the "Swedish jew"?

    oh what the hell

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    Sorry to have to constantly correct everything :(
     
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    Some other good ones on the dangers of conspiracy theories.
    Conspiracy theories are dangerous even if they don’t affect behaviour
    The Negative Social Impact of Conspiracy Theories - NYTimes.com
    Why conspiracy theories are deeply dangerous
    Misinformation, Conspiracy Theories And Real World Harm. Can We Save The Election?
    The Mind of a Conspiracy Theorist
    Conspiracy theories are a mental health crisis
    Some people are more likely to believe conspiracy theories. Here's how to know if you're one of them.

    The last three are particularly instructive about patterns we've encountered on this site.
    “Conspiracy theories make a very tempting promise: Just stop the villain and you get your life back. That’s what we all want,” he says. “It’s a charming narrative that’s very easy to buy into: Just stop Bill Gates from polluting the airwaves with 5G and we can go out again and our kids can go back to school.
    It’s no surprise that so many people are currently in thrall to this narrative. But studies show that some people are especially prone to these beliefs, even without the motivating uncertainty of a global health crisis. Researchers have found that this “conspiracy mentality” correlates with particular personality traits, including low levels of trust and an increased need for closure, along with feelings of powerlessness, low self-esteem, paranoid thinking, and a need to feel unique." Dr. Roland Imhoff, a social psychologist at Germany’s Johannes Gutenberg University, says: “It’s a worldview that believes nothing happens without a reason and that there are sinister forces at work behind the curtain. It’s a fairly stable worldview, so it doesn’t really matter what happens—that will be their interpretation.” The Mind of a Conspiracy Theorist

    "Karen Douglas, a professor of social psychology at the University of Kent who studies the psychology of conspiracy theories and co-published a major scientific article(opens in a new tab) on the subject last year, has found that they appeal to people whose key psychological needs are unmet. Believers crave knowledge, desire safety and security, and need to maintain positive self-esteem.
    While that sounds like it could describe anyone, Douglas says that some people are "better at resisting the temptation" of conspiracy theories.
    "During times of crisis and when difficult decisions need to be made, these psychological needs are particularly threatened, and people are looking for ways to cope with the challenges they face," Douglas wrote in an email.
    That's when an average person can become enthralled by a conspiracy theory. They may devote hours of their life to learning about it, join online groups that skew their newsfeed in favor of related content, and even change personal behaviors, like refusing to wear a mask because they believe COVID-19 is fake or patrolling a polling place because they think, per Trump's unfounded claims(opens in a new tab), that voter fraud is rampant." Some people are more likely to believe conspiracy theories. Here's how to know if you're one of them.

    "People who immerse themselves in this swamp of "polluted information(opens in a new tab)," particularly those with a deep attachment to QAnon, have anecdotally expressed preoccupation with and distress over solving riddles and clues(opens in a new tab), waiting anxiously for predictions to come true, fractured relationships with loved ones over their beliefs(opens in a new tab), and increased isolation. If their mental health hadn't been poor prior to their involvement in these online communities, it seemed to decline the deeper they got."
    Conspiracy theories are a mental health crisis



     
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    IKE A Jew?
    In her latest post (#575), Shy's information on Ike seems to be dredged up from the cesspool of a rabidly Anti-Semitic, anti-femminist White Christian nationalist website, Fathers Manifesto Eisenhower the "Swedish jew"?, On the site we also learn how "Jews Destroyed American Children", "Restore Stability: Repeal the Nineteenth Amendment (Womens' Suffrage"), Jews RW 36% Negro, Jews are not Israelites, Jews carry 112 Genetic/Hereditry Diseases, Blacks should be Exiled, Only Whites are Sovereign, etc. Welcome to The Official Fathers' Manifesto World Wide Web Site
    Somehow, she forgot to cite it. (Of course, they might have gotten it from her.)

    Shy tells us: "Seriously people you need to research this stuff before coming out here and making statements based upon sentiment or popular opinion."
    This is her idea of research! She'll apparently believe and pass on any garbage she stumbles on that seems to support her biases. They make it up. She passes it on!

    Eisenhower. Not a Jew.

    "We fell for it ourselves for a while, but don't believe what you might read elsewhere; there is no evidence that Dwight's father was Jewish. (Yes, there is a note in Dwight's West Point yearbook calling him a "Swedish Jew", but there is no proof that it's anything but an inside joke; the yearbook also calls him "señor", "terrible", and "incompetent".) If you look at the Eisenhower family tree, you will see not Jews, but Germans. Mennonites for generations. (We're not exactly sure who the Mennonites are, but they definitely didn't go to a synagogue.)"
    Jew or Not Jew: Dwight Eisenhower

    For his real family tree, see Family of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia
    Eisenhower Ancestry | Eisenhower Presidential Library


    Hate to bring it up, but there's another rumor making the rounds on the internet that Ike was (gasp) Black! Black Like Ike?
    The primary sources for the claim were a 50-year-old self-published book and many decades of repetition, while substantive evidence for the assertion hinged largely on Ida Stover's 1885 wedding photograph (which many viewers believed hinted at a mixed racial lineage) as well as the concurrent existence of black and white families with the surname Link in her hometown during her youth.

    Now why would anybody want to make stuff like that up about Ike? Cuz he defeated the Nazis? Cuz he called out the National Guard to integrate the schools? Cuz they think being part African-American or Jewish is something scandalous or disreputable? Cuz it suits her agenda?
     
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    Free speech does not apply to private firms and organizations.
    We routinely ban and censor people for various reasons at this site.
    Another conspiracy theory!
    Is it right?
     
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    Interesting. I didn't Know Ike's family came from Pennsylvania. York and Lancaster are right down the road from me. We have a lot of PA Dutch around here.

    I always thought he had an estate near Gettysburg because it was near Washington D.C. but maybe he still had family ties in the area?
     
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    Look how educational this is for ya all
     
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