the pitbull...

That was really sad and touching movie, those people who treat their pit bulls bad shouldn't even have pitbulls or any dog.

 

catahoula

 

your a dumb ass that knows nothing about pitbulls, 35 pounds my ass my 5month female is 35 pounds and my 8 month male is 60 pounds maybe a runt would weigh 35 pounds do you have pitbulls? doubt it so stop trying to act like an expert and pits are one of the best tempermental dogs out there and their jaws are too stronger than any breed i dont know where you get your info lol

 

at least catahoula sounds intelligent....

 

LOL^ No doubt.

This site says that the average pitbull weight is 35 to 55 lbs. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm

this one says the average weight is 30 lbs http://www.pgaa.com/canine/general/amstaffordshire.html

and look, surprise, this one says 30 - 80 lbs. http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/americanpitbullterrier.html

There is quite a range of pitbull weights... as backyard breeders and puppy mills don't really pay much attention to 'type'

Another point to bring up is that a lot of the dogs that 'attack' are not even pitbulls.

Take a look at this site and tell me if you guessed the pitbull the first time. Keep in mind that they are all purebreeds not crossbreeds.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

 

And can speel... errr, spell.

 

Hello folks from way down here in GA. Pit bulls seem to get some of ya folks going. Good. I now live in a state that has proposed a state wide ban HB78. Do I think it will happen, NO. Why do I think this you may or may not ask? Because I am being active and have been meeting with the sponsers of this bill and have been along with others giving the sponsers and the rest of the reps and sen. education into the breed and into the real problem, "PEOPLE". Fact 95% of all pit or pit type dog attacks a by unneutered males, 95%! that alone should say something. The majority of all mauling and deaths have been by unneutered and chained males, most were in their own yard and children wandered into their range. They wont tell you that on the news. Most identifications are made by the media, not so called experts. Fact no fixed female has ever been report in a mauling or death, not one, hmmm says something to me. The only people in most if not all cases that need and unfixed dog or cat is registered breeders and people who show their animals. The pit issue is really about unresponible owners and irresponsible breeders. A lack of law enforcement is also allowing a bad problem to get worse. Dog fighting and animal abuse is almost always tied to other illegal activities. I will stop for now but it goes on and on. BAN STUPID PEOPLE NOT THEIR DOGS.

 

I own and enjoy pitbulls. Those dogs that fight are taught to fight they are keep on very short heavy chains isolated from other dogs and before fight starved. We have taken in so many hurt dogs that never knew what love and attention was. I have also I recieved some that have been beatin so bad they are terrified of people they just curl up and pee on themselves if u go near them. Most of the pitts I own i recieved when they were little. I have never had one pf my dogs bite anyone. And they never fight each other because they have been raised together. I have my 98 lbs pitt in the house with a 17 year old very cranky husky and a 3 lbs yorkie terrier He has never snapped at them and they even share the same bowls to eat out of. My dogs are family i treat them with the same love and respect I give everyone one in my family. Dogs aren't dangerous people are. The next time they take those poor dogs and put them asleep I think they should put the owner asleep right along with it.

In 2004 they did a survey on dog attacks and bites and the dog ranked number one was a german sheperd: pit bulls didn't even make the top ten list.

 

Okay,where do I start?There have been alot of good points made here,mostly by bulldog owners,which is understandable.The sad thing is that there has been more bullshit thrown than truth.

First thing is,and I apologize to all the intelligent posters here,Michael go fuck yourself.If you are 34 as your profile says,then that is a total waste of 34 years to the human time line.
jbehn,you rank right up there with Michael,regardless if you are a bulldog owner.I say this because you go on the attack towards a person who has an understanding of the breed,and speaks intelligently in the dogs defense.You hit me as one of these "bigger is badder"type of people,and this type of attitude does more harm to the breed than anything that you can say about the dogs.

Myranya,I am sorry that you have such an inherent fear of dogs.I mean nothing vicious or negative towards you,by saying this.You need to work on your own personal fears,instead of trying to control the animal situation where you live.As far as how to deal with a dog attack situation,is let your own animal instincts(sp)? of survival take over in a given situation.Every situation is different.Please just don't base your fears towards a single breed.

Catahoula,thumbs up to you dude,it is rare to hear some one who is knowledgable about the breed speak up in an intelligent manner.I have a hard time doing it,because the blind sided dumb-asses(Michael,jbehn)piss me off and I can't contain my attitude.Funny how these dog experts,who put you down,didn't even make any reference to your screen name.Since catahoula's are a very popular working dog.Some dog experts,huh?

With all that said,now I will speak on behalf of the "comedians of the canine world",the American Pit Bull Terrier.The true classification of the breed,or I should say, one of the true classifications.There is also the Staffordshire Bull Terrier,The American Staffordshire Terrier,and a newer offshoot of the breed,The American Bulldog>which is the big bodied version 100lbs+.These are all the variations that are recognized by different stanctioning organizations that register pure bred dogs.The pedigree is the only way of determining which line the dog is from,and by some one who is knowledgible about the different lineage.

Even if no one accepts my credentials,I am still going to explain this mis-understood breed.I have raised bulldogs for over 25 years.I am a legal judge of the breed as set forth by the guidelines of The American Dog Breeders Association,which is the national registry for the American Pit Bull Terrier.I have shown dogs,I have pulled dogs in competition,and I have battled city hall(and won) for the right to keep this breed.So I can speak with some legitimate authority,when it comes to this breed of dog.I am not going to rehash the locking jaw issue,the swollen brain thing,the taste of blood gene,or any of that bullshit,which is mainly kept alive by morons and the media.
I do want to speak on behalf of the legitimate dog fighters(from the time when it was still legal),since this is always the focus of any attack towards the breed.The dogs were matched in order to perpetuate the best of the breed,it was guide for breeding,while also being an additioal source of income for the working class.These"battle dogs" were not yard dogs,or kept on chains,as most people believe.These dogs were part of the family,and received better treatment than some one the other family members.They were the families bread and butter if you will.Man-biters were destroyed,because at all times during a match between two dogs,there were always three humans in the pit at the same time.There was each dog's handler and the judge.And no body wanted to have to worry about being dog bite.I am sure that there will be a few of you who will slam me for defending the sport,but so be it.That is part of the history of the breed,and a major factor in the on going legal battle concerning the dogs.

The pit-bull dog is a breed that a person has to always be on their toes,if they are going to own one.Because you are under the eye of the general public,as they lay in wait for the dog to screw up so they can point a finger and say "I told you so".If you are seeking a bad-assed image,please find another breed of dog.Bulldogs have a history to live down,and they don't need some dumbass to make it harder for them to survive.For the people who feel that they need to mandate some laws pertaining to controlling dogs,please don't single out a breed,with breed specific laws.Make the laws apply to all breeds.If you are a breeder ,be aware and know who you are selling your dogs to,since you are making them spokesman for the breed.

I hope that I have presented a short,but informative,arguement for the positive attibutes of the bulldog.I will answer any questions that you might have,but I will not entertain the ramblings of moronic ass holes.

 

For the most part well said. I hope I am not one of the dumb ass'es. I do agree that the history of the animal is what has made it such a great and loyal friend, at least mine have been to me. I do believe that in the fight against the knee jerk legislation that has been catching on that the illegal fighting has to be brought into check both at the high $ and the low $ end of the brutal sport. As a rescue person I see that there are many issues that should and need to be addressed such as holding responsible breeders of all dogs to take some responsibility to whom they sale their animals. I think also it is time to shut down the back yard breeders. I as much as some hate it I want to see all cats and dogs micro-chipped, it will save animal lives and it will in time expose some illegal activities. I wish to see all rescued adoptions spay/nueter, no exceptions. I would like to see for all fighting breeds if not all pet sold from legit kennels for the purpose of compainion pets to be spay/nueter, Show people, other legit breeders, and others who have need of intact animals to be the only exceptions. Across the board spay/nueter would in time cut down on the death rate at city impounds. I also believe it would make it easier to locate illegitimate breeders and those useing the animals for illegal practices. Again it is not the breed that is the problem the breed has a problem called stupid people. Their are legit sports for thes wonderful dogs ans fighting them does not and should not be one of them. The only way to stop this wide scale is to also introduce in the school systems responsible pet ownership programs so maybe the next generation will be better stewards of their pets. And to those who feel the animal is a sensuet( however you spell it) being your a goob, the dog that lives with me is mine, personal property and is better protected under the constitution that way as well. It is time for informed people to try and get good legislation passed to protect all of the family pets and quit passing ignorant legislation that will do nothing but effect in a negative way good and law abiding pet bull owners. Oh yeh and the owners of anything that some think looks like a pit bull. Stupid stupid stupid. Thanks yall I will stop and not write the book.

 

Ok I went back and read some of the Mike entrys and I have to agree, a waste of 34 years if this is all he has learned. It is not that he does not have a right to voice but he should not make it sound like he knows something the rest dont. DNA, sounds like maybe someone elses DNA has a few broken strands. I will agree to this, if you inbreed to often you can wind up with some stupid animals and people included, but beyond that it generally goes back to the owner and his willingness to teach and control his or her pet, of any breed. Get that folks of any breed! BSL is nothing more Bumbling; Stupid; ilLeagal. Passing laws without proof sound alot like something that would happen in a communist led society. I live in the United States of America and have the right to fight stupidity and will I only hope that others with more brains than I will help.

 

I don't give two shits how heavy your pit bulls are. I never said your pit bulls are 35 pounds --- I said the AVERAGE pit bull is 35 pounds. And I would say that average is correct based on the many pit bulls I have met. Anyone breeding the "HUGE 100 pound PIT BULLS" are absolute idiots -- not even are those dogs not purebred (they were bred with dogue de bordeux and other larger breeds generations before going back to pure pit bulls), but it is incredibly irresponsible to breed them and then label them as such. A dog that is bred should match the breed standard. The UKC breed standard calls for 30-60 pounds. I guess most of those dogs under 50 pounds are just "runts" though, right? Their jaws are not stronger than that of other breeds. Individual dogs have different jaw strengths. Some dogs can overpower some, but there is no breed that has an overall stronger jaw than another. So far the world record is for that of a GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG (that's not an American pit bull terrier) that can bite 1500 pounds per square inch. That's probably because they are very close to a wolf anatomically, and wolves have some of the strongest jaws of any animal (Crocodiles are in the lead, so I have read).

You may call me an idiot and a dumbass -- and by calling me such things, you are only justifying every law against pit bulls because you seem angry and violent -- I hope such words do not make a complete reflection on your personality. As we have been saying -- the owners make the dogs. And I would hate to see your dogs attack someone as you have attacked me. Just keep doing what you are doing, and it is in the near future. All I did was stick up for "your breed." And what do I get? Hateful replies. Obviously you don't care about pit bulls, or you would have agreed with me and silently made a mental note of anything that you might have thought was a mistake (and no mistakes were made on my part ). I certainly hope you care about your dogs more than the breed as a whole. You said I know nothing about them. So I made a mistake when saying those statistics? I made a mistake when I said that pit bulls make wonderful family dogs? I made a mistake when I said that pit bulls attacks are not common? By proudly announcing that your breed has the strongest jaws, it makes it seem as if you are using them as nothing more than a status symbol. You brag about their jaws -- but did you care to brag about what wonderful dogs they are with children? Thank you SO much for being one of the owners that CARES OH SO MUCH, that we now have a BSL IN ONTARIO!!! Yes, announced yesterday. Oh, and next time -- please use proper grammar and do not continue with your run-on sentences. It is very confusing and difficult to read sometimes.


fylthevoyd, thanks very much! Glad to see someone knows catahoulas. I often get the "cata-whatta?" remark. It is pretty difficult to contain myself as well. Even now I am anxious enough to drill a hole in the ground.

 

I have to say after reading the intelligent posts (sorry not gonna watch that vid) defenders of and against pits I have to say I am ashamed for believing those thoughts too.
I can honestly say I've only come across pitbulls who seem to bark more than anything. Even our irriesponsible neighbors who had over $2500 worth of dogs run away or die, their pits were friendly if not constant barkers. At the dog park it was other dog breeds (little ankle bitters Jack russels, chichis, labs, a g. shepard mix, etc) who got into fights, the pits just ran behind, barking. One guy had this built like a tank, brindle pit who only loved one thing-chasing his red chew toy. The owner would toss it, the dog would take off in a dead run, then come back with his toy tail wagging, wanting more. Never aggressive, just love to chase that ball.

Pits are cool-bad owners, bad breeding well duh, makes bad dogs.

urby

 

Brothers and Sisters...i must add my own experience to this dog discussion, having sufferred a dog bite this summer from...my own dog! On the way home from the most awesome and peaceful National Rainbow Gathering in the High Sierra's, attended by countless pitt bulls etc. and their mellow owners, so many people around, the dogs just don't do much serious attacking there) my trusty pathfinder 's tranny gave out in Reno...i ended up staying for a while with some very helpful Native American's on the Shoshone tribe reservation that bordered the local mechanic area downtown Reno...while my vehicle got fixed....as i was walking my beloved Buddha; a 9 year collie shepard who is very bad assed when it comes to aggressive dogs, a huge rotweiller came out of his yard, and started aggressively circling us, growling and doing the whole "i'm gonna kill you" routine. I had buddha on a leash, and when i tried to pull him back he was in such a frenzy to attack this huge rot, that he whipped around and nailed me in the leg. This was a huge, painful surprise. My leg was bleeding and the Rot jumps on Buddha's back and proceeds to viciously attack him. i meanwhile am screaming at the owner to get his dog!!!! GET HIM OFF MY DOG!!!!! The brother just stands there. I kept SCREAMING at him, because this was a huge Rotweiler, at least 80 or 90 pounds, and i knew Buddha was going to go to the death with this dog, for he hates mean dogs and will not back down... Finally, the guy pulls his dog off. Luckily Buddha's fine, no punctures, but i was really wounded. These people were so uncool, they just stood there watching me cry for some help and did nothing. Finally some nice lady came down the street and i got some medical attention. The tribal police came and took "Raider" off to the dog pound for ten days....i later heard form the local kids that this dog menaced the neighborhood and had several run in's...but the macho owner left the gate open intentionally to taunt others. Well, after 9 years of walking and hiking with Buddha everywhere all over the country, i now carry a big, wicked, ninja double sword with me all the time, because i had to learn the hard way that loose dogs are going to attack if given the chance, and they are everywhere. Budddha seems to attract them as well, as he is sexually intact and has the age and experience, along with attitude. This sword thing is a felony weapon but it it's the perfect dog bashing, possible dog killing tool. It is 2 swords that are concealed in a wooden tube casing (all carved with dragons!) when i pull it apart...viola! No more bad dog attack! i suggest that if you walk alot, carry something like this or any big, heavy stick,that you can use to bash them off with. Buddha is the kindest, most gentle dog in the world...to nice dogs, but he will gladly take on these bullies, and unfortunately, sometimes he is just outweighed. He's about 60 pounds and lots of fur and courage. So, the funny thing is, even your own dog can be the one to bite you, and it is all just nature and the heat of the moment. Dog's can be extremely dangerous, no matter how good the dog, cool the owner or whatever. But people who intentionally let their huge rotweilers run the neighborhood are very very ignorant, to say the least. It could have been much worse.

 

I have a pitbull and this made me cry. She is one of the sweetest living things, animal or not, that I've ever been with.

Oh, and to the asshole

I'm proud to be a dumb, ugly dork. I love my pitbull and if it makes me that, then so be it. And not eveyone owns one because it's 'cool'. I couldn't give a shit if it was cool or not. =)

 

Wow dog bashing and a dog that only attacks mean dogs and toteing felony weapons while going to love ins. Is this cool or what, a dog a simple dog that will act like a dog like any other dog and people get so slippery they slide all over the road. Some want to kill'em all and let God sort them out and others want to have them father their children. Great thread! I would say that not all "loose" dogs run around waiting to attack thou I do believe that unless you live deep in the country your dog is safer locked up. And have we forgotten that some people use their dogs to protect their property and have been for a few thousand years. Dogs being dogs, if you are walking down the loving road and you have a dog it is natural for another dog to come and see whats up and if your dog is intact and smells like an intact male he may get challenged, dogs being dogs, it is caled nature and natural even if we dont like it, mother earth does not answer to us. Oh yea it has been shown that by nuetering a male dog that it will cut down on the chances of prostate cancer, yes dogs get it to even if they can't tell you. So earth bound and loving folks never forget from where it is we came from, we may like to eat the daisys now but we used to eat meat that we slaughtered and we used the dogs to help, dont be mad if the dog has not changed as much as we like to think we have. Mcdonalds, mmmm Mcribs,mmmmm not the same if you dont have to kill it, just eat it. My pit bull is sweet but she is a dog and behaves like a dog, as a good owner I realise what dangers are out there and try to avoid them by not forgetting there is a dog at the end of my leash and thinking she thinks like me. Punish dumb people and remember that not everyone is smart enough to own another life either because they are to mean or they believe the dog is from another planet and we are only it caretaker and the dog has free choice. it is time for people to take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming everthing else in the universe. If you stick your foot in a gators mouth and it gets bit off is it the gators fault or yours for being so stupid to stick it in the gators mouth to begin with. If you want a 10 pound yapper dont get a Saint Bernard and dont be surprised if either one of them bite because they are DOGS.

 

Reddog: hey bro, i see from your profile that you are a "combative instructor" so i guess you know a thing or two about self defense and not being *NICE* when your life is on the line. Just because i am a peace lovin' hippie mama, does not make me incapable of protecting myself and my loved ones ( dog, in this case) from harm. And of course, dogs relate differently to aggressive dogs. All dogs hate other mean dogs. That is nature. It's how dogs always act. It is the level of attack that is the issue. Actually having canine teeth sunk into my leg gave me a new perspective on the SERIOUSNESS of dog fights.God forbid i should ever have to use my *felony weapon*...but i sure as hell don't care about being anything but safe, when it comes to these random encounters. As i said, the vibe is totally different at gatherings with pits and rotties and the rest...there are so many humans around, the dogs just dont take it to the next level. I don't think you get out much with your dog or you would know what it means to be in a real dog fight. have you ever been bitten? Hard? i think not. I'm gonna go out there fearless...not worried about my *image*. i love my legs and i love my dog!

 

In additon, i relate this story because it is not againts pits or rottties or any particular breed. It is about the fact that All dogs can be dangerous, even your own dog biting you if you happen to be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is about being prepared and aware and having some back up if worse comes to worse. And there are multitudes of loose dogs running around. Have you been to a dog shelter lately and seen the thousands they pick up off the streets? Dogs get out..they get loose...it's life.

 

Well hello Otter and just to be straight foward with my answers. Yes I have been to a shelter lately I drive animals for adoption to a local Petsmart every Saturday. I am the Vice President of a local rescue. My red nose pit is a Delta Certified pet therapy dog. I am currently working with a local law enforcement group on dog fighting and the other crimes associated with this horrible act. I have been biten by both small and large animals, oh yea I have been shot to, like the bite better. I am sorry if I have stepped on your toes but you are the one telling the peace loving world you carry a *FELONY* weapon not me. I have been instrumental in helping shoot down GA House Bill 78 that would have ban pits in the state, my wife is currently helping fight the same type legislation in Alabama's communities. Yes I know any dog can bite. Yes I know that if PETA got their way there would be lots of bites and people being consumed by starving dogs. Again I am sorry if you feel I have attacked a peace loving hippie, and I love peace as much as anyone but I live in a world of reality and peace just is not in charge right now. I hope some day it will be. But I know my stuff both on dogs and bad people I do get out and I see what is out there and what the world is becoming and it scares me. I participate in the hopes that one day the lives I touch will be the ones that find peace for us all and not just the hippies us rednecks to. Smile people it is all good, if you bury your head in the sand.

 

hi bro, i guess i zeroed in on getting you to share more of what good things you are doing for this world! you sound like a very accomplished person and dedicated to helping make the world a better place. That is to be commended! I am just someone who hikes and walks alot and is trying to stave off dog attaks! Sometimes i wonder if i should just carry the spray bottle of amonia with me...i love this sword thing cause it is heavy, yet compact and it has the most awesome art carvings...it seems better than a stick. Maybe i have an emotional attachment to it for a very dear friend left it with me.... There is a struggle/conflict sometimes with being in a forum...telling the world what one really thinks, and exposing some of our darker sides! I am not even sure what the deal is with this ninja thing...maybe it isn't a felony weapon...someone just told me that ....but i keep it with me anyway. Keep up the good work! ps..the world has always been insane, these times are no worse than any other period in history...we just hear about it instantly and often ...