You are still killing animals.

I was a vegetarian for a year so I am not trying to be rude. But yall do know that millions of animals are killed every year when they are caught in the machines that gathers wheat and other crops, right? Even worse, these animals are not eaten by anybody and nothing is used from them. Do yall feel guilty about this or do you think that since you don't eat meat that you are not at all responsible for the death of animals. Just curious. Would like to hear some intelligent responses.

*Side note- I am an environmental biologist and I do know that not eating meat can be helpful for the enviornment (overgrazing etc.), so please do not use that retoric.

 

far more animals are killed each year due to factory farming. better less animals killed than more animals. plus, the animals killed by machinery arent forced to live horribly their whole lives. factory farmed animals live among their own feces, and dont have enough space to move around. they are abused by factory farm workers, are sometimes skinned alive, have to LIVE off their own feces, suffer from broken bones and infections without ever being treated, never see the light of day until they are on their way to be slaughtered, and are sometimes even left to die, and rot in the farm without anyone doing anything about it until the body is already half rotten.
from my perspective, killing animals when we dont need to (humans killing animals, for exampe . lions and tigers killing animals is totally natural and they need meat for survival) is wrong. but, no one can avoid death. therefore, i say, at least its better to be killed quickly and unintentionally after having lived a free and very nice life, rather than living in a shit hole for years living off your own shit and suffering from constant infections, only to have your throat slit and drown in your own blood, and have your body parts sliced up, sold off, mashed together, and consumed by greedy obese humans.

 

Wow, you truley show your age, I said no retoric please, I have hear it all before and used to use it myself. You never once answered my question in that ridicoulous response, Do you feel guilty that animals are being KILLED from food you eat, even though are so against the slaughter of animals. If you truely were against the slaughter of animals, you would grow your own food and harvest it youself, hypocrit.


By the way, I don't know if you have ever been to a city, but there are many homeless people that have it almost as bad, but I don't see people going crazy about that. Stop being so self rightious and think about your own species.

 

Hey mad scientist, With all due respect, acetonephish was just expressing her opinion on the matter, there is no need for retaliation. Her post was just as informative as yours was, and please please don't call her a hypocrite she did nothing hypocritical, all she was doing was expressing her opinion. That is aloud in this country ya know. Aside from that, I feel similar to her on that topic. Also, this has nothing to do with age. Maturity comes from how you grow and learn, not how old you are, and as an adult you should know this. Also, she did answer your question...

Just because she didn't say the words "I don't feel guilty about this or do you think that since you don't eat meat that you are not at all responsible for the death of animals." doesn't mean she didn't answe your question in other words.

Sorry if this offends you, but I'm just expressing my opinion in the most positive way I can.

Peace,
Chris.

 

I could care less. Yes, I am all for everyone expressing their opinions. Did you read my thread? Obviously not, did I say please no veggie retoric? Yes, I did. What did she do? She spouted out the same veggie retoric everyone has heard and in no way did any kind of critical thinking about my thread, obviously, neither did you. I understand that point of view. Was that what I was talking about? No. Niether of yall answered my question because you both know that your answer will make you look like hypocrite.


Anytime yall are put in an undercomfortable situation about your values you simply resort to saying " oh the animals are being tortured". If you can respond to my thread in an intelligent manner then I will not have to "retaliate".

Once again, the topic at hand is "Do yall feel guilty that animals are being killed during the harvest of wheat and other crops (food that yall do eat), since yall preach being kind to animals".

The question is very easy, if you don't have an answer that relates to it then do yourself a favor, save youself the embarrassment, and don't type.

 

ok, this has to be said. if you didn't want veggi rhetoric, then you should have asked omnis for their opinion. you're asking questions to which you likely already know the answers - if you don't then there's numerous threads all over this place that can answer them (applies to all three of your threads.) i'm not trying to be rude to you, although i'm aware that it sounds as though i am, but we know why we feel the way we do. why do you think it's your job to try to change our minds?

 

I am not trying to change anyones mind. Never did I say that I think being a veggie is bad. In fact I said that it is a bold move and I respect it because I am a conservation/environmentalist biologist and it is good for the environment.


However, I do see a lot of people on here talking like they are morally superior due to the fact that don't eat meat, yet they are indirectly killing animals. I am just curious about this and would like people to be able to defend themselves when they are being hypocites. Sorry, everyone has their own beliefs, but I'll be damned if someone is going to look down on me for eating meat when in fact they too are causing the deaths of animals. Just practice what you preach and be able to support your opinions, I can support mine.

Also please stop implying that I am saying things that I have not typed. If you don't have a point don't try to make me look like I said something I didn't in order to support you retoric.

 

Somebody has to hold yall accountable.

 

Here's some non-rhetoric for you:

You're a dumbass.

Oh wait, sorry, I'm sure that's been said to you before. My bad, I guess that does make it rhetoric, eh? At least, by YOUR lame-brained definition.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rhetoric

Read it again, you fool. You completely missed it, because you were so caught up in your self-gratification that you lost track of the conversation.

Again, http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rhetoric

Vegetarians and vegans tend to think alike. Just because it's been said before doesn't mean it is invalid.

And sometimes, people need to say things over and over again. Especially when dealing with people such as yourself; it takes several attempts to get our point across when you dismiss our points as "veggie rhetoric," and then go off on a tangent about how it doesn't make you think.

THIS JUST IN: It doesn't make you think because YOU DON'T THINK. You're just ignoring it.

If your posts weren't inherently vulgar (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=vulgar just so there is no confusion as to the definition of vulgar), then WE wouldn't have to retaliate to begin with.

Not particularly. I tend to stay away from products that are farmed in a manner such as that, and in this case, it is no fault of humans nor of animals that they are killed. It's nobody's fault, just like it's nobody's fault that a deer is killed if it jumps in front of a car. It's not the humans' fault; we have every right to have our car there, and moving. It's not the deer's fault; it was just scared by some headlights, and made a wrong decision.

If an animals runs into a grinder by accident, then ... that's not exactly being cruel to the animal. It was the animal's poorly misjudged choice.

'Nuff said.

 

ok, yes, there might be a micromini bit of guilt. BUT there is nothing you can do that will have no harm - even if you fasted forever you'd still kill bacteria, still step on plants.

So, you can't cause no harm, but you can try to minimise the harm you cause. This is where the various form of vegoism come in - they are still diets with far less overall harm than meat eating.

also, not all animals are fed/graze on fresh grass. Some of them have to eat processed/harvsted food - so you are eating the cow, who has eaten food that killed a field mouse. That's two deaths, at least if eat what the cow might be eating your food only involved one death. (yes i know the overall figures will be different, but this the simplified version)

 

Zero, just because I challenge your way of thinking doesn't mean you have to throw insults at me. I never condemded you for your diet, in fact....I WILL SAY IT AGAIN....I think it is great. But hey, if yall think you are morally superior to me because you diet causes a few less deaths than mine, then that is your flaw.

 

HikkyZ~

You are so well spoken and conveyed your point so well. I can't believe you are only 18.

Right on brother!

~kit

 

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i don't know where you're getting this moral superiority thing from, when you're the one invading a vegetarian board spouting about how we should feel guilty for indirectly killing animals. we're no better than you, and (crazy as this sounds) you're no better than us either. it irritates me to no end how people like you ask questions like this, and load them to sound rhetorical, but at the same time expect a response from us that will make us look at our lifestyles and change them around. and i know you'll come back with "stop implying that i'm saying these things when i'm not!" but honestly, read your post. if i were to write something like that about your lifestyle choices (three times no less) how would you feel?

 

Personally I do feel guilty for having agricultural production kill animals. But it is true its not like the billions of animals killed in factory farming. To tell someone "wow you really show your age", isn't that a bit immature yourself?

 

You don't challenge this way of thinking.

You admitted yourself that you agree with this way of thinking.

So WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HERE?!

Clearly you are attempting to provoke thought within all of us. But the way you come here, posting drivel about these boards (things that we have all already thought about, and already have our own answers for), the way you post them is belligerent by nature, and forces us into a defensive position where we must retaliate or risk letting you claim victory.

And if you are going to come here, roughing us up, even though you already say you believe in the same things, then I will take my right to rough you up in return. =)

 

Don't expect me to take your argument seriously when you use the word 'yall'.

 

Yeah, it's spelled <y'all>.
I don't feel guilty about a thing, ever. Also, I'm a vegan because I hate animals and want to have as little to do with the filthy things as possible.
Seriously though, why do people think that veg people think that they're morally superior to non-veg people? Certainly, I think I'm slightly less disgusting than non-veg people -in that I'm not walking around with rotting flesh in my guts, but only slightly, since we're all walking around with shit in our guts -but we're all a plague for this planet.

Oh yeah, I should mention this is my first post in like, over a year or so. I've been around for years, but I'll not mention my old name. I haven't seen any familiar names anyway. Greetings to all nonetheless. B.