You owe your brain to meat.

Just curious if anyone has ever looked into this fact. The time when humans split from other primates on the evolutionary tree is about the time in which humans started to consume meat. With the consumption of meat there was a sudden increase in brain size in the human race and this is what led us to now where we have the ability to percieve the world the way we do. So do yall really think that meat consumption is that bad of a thing considering that you owe your ability to think the way you do to it. No dumbass comments or veggie retoric please.

 

When humans split off from other primates there were no factory farms, or slaughterhouses, people hunted what they ate. I owe my brain to meat, but that doesn't mean I advocate the consumption or manufacturing of it. ANd please stop with the "nodumbass comment or veggie retoric" stuff, its disrespectful to everyone. If the comment offends a certain person or people then it should not be on this forum, but if its a person expressing there opinion on the matter in whichever way they choose, then it should be excepted as just that, there opinion.

 

Once again you have failed to think for youself.

 

Why, because he didn't get on his knees and say "Oh my lord and mighty high commander, you're completely right and I'm completely wrong!" You're not asking people to think for theirselves, you're asking them to think like you. Well, we don't all think like you. I know that's shocking, but it's true.

I'm sure that's a dumbass comment, right? Because it's not what you wanted to hear? Well, cry me a fucking river.

 

No, I never said any of that actually. I just simply expect more original thought out of people and would rather not hear what they read on a PETA website (I have read it all myself). I love that people think differently than me. If everyone thought like me the world would be quite a reck. Just asking people to do more than simply repeat what other people say all the time.

 

O ya, and I am God incase you didn't know. Read the profile.......so from now on everyone must think like me and do what I say or else.

 

I just simply asked if yall thought eating meat is that horrible considering it is what is enabling you to type on your computer right now.

 

Dinosaurs and many, many animals ate meat and did not show any advanced brain development. Thus, it is logical to conclude that meat consumption cannot be correllated to brain capacity or development. =) And I'd hardly consider a velociraptor, though perceptive, to be as intelligent as a human.

Rhetoric is how you get a point across. You can't avoid it in a powerful discussion.

That's laughable, considering it's coming from someone who believes that he owes his brain to meat consumption. (laughs)

How many reasons can there possibly be for being vegetarian or vegan?

Don't expect many people to be extremely different. We all have our nuances, but we are all classified as vegetarians or vegans because we all believe particular things. Your group, the "non-veg*ns" offers a great deal more leniency for beliefs; not ours.

Okay, let me put it to you like this, God. We're humans. Well, at least WE HUMANS are humans; you might very well be something else, though I'd sooner think that you're lower in the heirarchy than higher, in my humble opinion.

We, as humans, have a great potential. We've gone to the moon. If we wanted to, we could turn lead into gold with our molecular machines. We can create antimatter, we can build skyscrapers, we do all kinds of things.

So why the heck are we still eating meat? Our moral values have not evolved in any way as much as our technical know-how. People eat meat nowadays because they have never thought for themselves, or at least not reached a logical conclusion when trying to think for themselves.

So yes, I think eating meat is bad. We are HUMANS. If we are so superior to animals, then let us prove it by BEING better than them, by having morals that are superior to them. So I think eating meat is a failure of human morality.

 

Hikaru Zero, I love you. That was great

 

Great post Hikaro Zero!

 

Zero, I am a biologist, and yes our brain did not grow to the size it did until we started to eat meat. If you would like I will send you all kinds of facts about this from my biology texts, national geograhic, and discover magazines. Obviously you like to try to make an argument without facts which is not how life works. If you know anything about biology then you would know this.....life started from one organsim (maybe, still not know).....all life branched from this and from a series of mutations and through other factors of evolution new organsims were formed and branched from the original. Primates branched from the mammals and already had superior brain size and power to the rest of the animal kingdom......when humans split from monkies, apes, and such we had a tremedous increase in brains size and power when we started to eat meat. This is because protien is a high energy food that enabled are body to build the structures and tissues neccessary for a larger brain. This is a fact! If you would like sources tell me and I will have no problem giving them to you.


Second, you never answered what I said to you in another post. What you eat is harvested by machines which kill millions of animals in the process (your diet may be different or you may grow your own food, in this case I am wrong). So how do you think this is any different than eating an animal that has been killed, it isn't, you are still responsible for the death of an animal.

Third, all life is made up of the same stuff. The plants that you eat are made up of DNA and protien, just like animals. So what is the difference between eating an animal and a plant...... the fact that an animal percieves the world in a different way than a plant?

Fourth, I was veggie for a year. In this year I was not able to perform at my maximum ability in workouts, hiking, work, and school and I witness this in other veggies too. I agree that meat is over consumed in our society and I myself do not eat a lot of it, but I think it is neccessary for a person to function correctly (our ancestors didn't eat meat for thousands of years for no reason).

Finally, like I said I respect vegetarians. I think it is a great move (it is great for the environment), it is just not for me. I think the way animals are slaughtered is horrible, but I am in no position to go out and hunt my own food (especially not in lubbock, tx unless I want to eat some prarrie dogs). I am just sick an tired of vegetarians who like youself think you are morally superior to me becase you don't eat meat. Blasphemy!

I am just trying to hold people accountable and get some insight into these reasons why yall think you are better than me and others.

And yes, I am God if you were wondering.

 

wow a real live employed biologist. ooooooooo. anyway, the real scientific comunity still views the theory of evolution and just that, a theory. you must be employed by a very progressive biologist firm to have already proven that theory at such a young age. that in itself proves evolution if now our 21 yearold meat eating superhumans can come up with such a wealth of knowledge. i think i'll so suck on a cow's heart now and try to catch up in my evolutioness. maybe i should just mainline some growthhormone, man, that would evolve me right up there.

 

Madscientist, I think you are trying to prove a point while putting others down in the process. If you want to show people new ideas and see a positive result your not going about it the right way.

 

"So what is the difference between eating an animal and a plant"


well, the fact that if you kick an animal it feels it, and if you kick a plant it doesnt.

"In this year I was not able to perform at my maximum ability in workouts, hiking, work, and school and I witness this in other veggies too."

what were you eating? you have to go about being a veggi in a healthy way otherwise it wont work out. you can't just expect to stop eating meat and instantaneously become healthy while eating crap. i know 6 other veggies (not including myself, and for the record, i'm in good health as well) who i see on a daily basis, none of whom are unhealthy in any way.

"I am just sick an tired of vegetarians who like youself think you are morally superior to me becase you don't eat meat."

no one said they were better than you.

"I am just trying to hold people accountable and get some insight into these reasons why yall think you are better than me and others."

who is "y'all"? no one thinks they're better than you... this seems like some huge paranoia!!

 

While I will not go so far as to insult your abilities as a biologist ... yes, I would like you to send me those facts from your texts and magazines. I'd also like to see the sources and any studies conducted which give conclusive evidence. Just because our brains happened to develop around the same time that we started eating meat ... does not mean that this ONE overlapping of events is not a coincidence. Other quite developed creatures also made the transition from herbivore to omnivore, and they show no signs of extra brain development as a result. There is no correllation, and if you think you can prove me wrong, then here is your chance: Give me your evidence, and allow me the ability to refute it, if I can.

Stop blowing out hot steam and tell me exactly what facts I left out. I use logic and statistics; they have already been laid out in my last post. YOU have failed to show ANY correllations or statistics about that which you defend. So where is it now?

Perhaps it was our consumptions of proteins that influenced our growth, but that is not to say that proteins do not exist in other places. In places where soybeans and hemp are rich, soy contains more amounts of higher-quality protein than meat does, and hemp contains lesser amounts of even higher-quality protein than soy. So it is the PROTEINS which spurred development, and they just so happened to most often come from meat sources.

But what does this have to do with the grand scheme? Even if we "owe our brains" to meat, we are grown now! We don't need it anymore, why keep it, it's only keeping us down!

Indeed. Or rather, that an animal can percieve the world AT ALL, compared to a plant (which is, of course, debatable). Now, if by your own admittance, plants also contain protein (some plants contain even more protein than meat does, as shown above), then is it not the PROTEIN which we have to thank for our brains, and not "meat over vegetables?"

Completely unnecessary. I don't care what you were in the past or what you are now. Stay on topic please, this is irrelevant.

Also off-topic, but you know what ... I can call myself morally superior all the damn well I want, you know why?

Because YOU are provoking these arguments, not I.

If you don't want to be looked down on by vegetarians, then, and I believe I speak for all veg*ns here, "GET THE FUCK OUT."

If you don't like my fire, then don't come around. It's as simple as that. Now get lost.

We have given you these reasons time and time again; you just don't listen, or you just disagree. Now, accept the fact that we disagree, and stop causing arguments. If we can all be held accountable, than an omnivore such as yourself can be held FAR, FAR, FAR more accountable than veg*ns, so don't talk all high and might. At the very least, you are more accountable than we are, and we ALL know that we make mistakes and that we are not perfect, but *WE TRY OUR VERY HARDEST TO STOP CRUELTY AND DEATH TO ANIMALS,* while you sit idly by and wonder why.

 

Yeah, but he's just a trolling gimp. He's not here to have an intelligent conversation - he's here to insult people. Thus proving how much more intellectually developed meat-eaters are. Hmmm. Kinda backfired, huh?

 

First off let me say that i know jack about what exactly caused our brains to develop on a chemical level.

With that said, your logic is quite horrid.

So what if dinosaurs/animals who ate meat didnt show any advanced brain development? Evolution doesnt work like that. Dinosaurs, cats etc dont have to rely on their brains for survival. Lions/raptors/t-rex/cats whatever are meant to get their food by brute force. Humans have to rely on their cunningness to develop weapons and tools to kill animals. We arent that fast and we arent that strong. SO what do we have to rely on? Our brain. Thus, the smartest individuals were able to survive and reproduce. And there we have evolution. You cant expect everything to develop the same way just because we may have similar diets.

You cant discredit the idea that meat caused brain development because not every carnivore speaks languages, develops weapons and builds rockets to fly to the moon.

As others have said, though, that happened a long time ago and there is no *real* need to eat meat anymore. Vegans/vegetarians can get a proper diet that might not have necessarily been so 3 million years ago.

If you really want to discredit that meat caused brain development, you'll need to do it with science and not through logic. You can prove or disprove just about anything if you are sufficiently versed in logic. It proves nothing except that you know logic and the other person is stupid enough not to tell you to shove it with your logic.

 

Quite so. But it cuts both ways. If someone wants to prove that meat did cause brain development (and frankly, I really don't care anyway), then they'll also need to do so through hard, non-specualtive science.