Surrender?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by TrippinBTM, Feb 23, 2005.

  1. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    What does it mean to "surrender"? I don't know how to actually do this. I know the theory, to let god or fate or whatever take control of my life and problems, but I don't know how to DO it. I can't sit down and let some god live my life, no matter what, surrender or not, I have to be there, active participant, deciding, doing, etc. How do I surrender when I can't physically change the fact that it's me that has to live my life? How do I let someone/something (god?) else decide for me when I have no choice but to be the one who decides?


    I don't know if I'm being clear...
     
  2. StonerBill

    StonerBill Learn

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    Why do you feel you need to surrender? or even know how to surrender? You never truelly will. There are people in the world capable of surrender and there are those who will not.

    surrendering is different however in every single context of the word. the surrendering you speak of is what most people in the world do, and thats why the world is so dumb
     
  3. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    I think it may require developement of some sort of mild form of schizophrenia. :D
     
  4. dutch_diciple

    dutch_diciple Member

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    I dont know what surrendering means in other religions/spiritual ways, but the christian one means getting on your knees before God (which means not putting yourself first but Him first) and laying down everything you've got. The thing about the camel not getting through the eye (the little gate).
    I surrender to God, but still live life. It's not in every situation clear what God wants, so the free will is not something that was taken from me, it's just a lower priority that God's will. But I have no idea if I really answered your question......just thought to share my view on it...
     
  5. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Sometimes you may really want something to turn out a certain way, like say, you really want your friend to cut down on drinking, for example. At some point you may realize that you can do no more that would be helpful to them. That is when I would release the responsibility over to God. I like the phrase, file it under "something for God to do."
    Surrender, to me, is letting go when there is nothing more you can do but hope and pray that things go the way you wish.
     
  6. Sebbi

    Sebbi Senior Member

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    Here's my take on it -

    Surrendering to God is simply doing what you want to do with yourself and your life.

    God/the Tao instilled in you a dream of what you want to do and the means to achieve it. Taking advantage of that is what surrendering means.

    Blessings

    Sebbi
     
  7. StonerBill

    StonerBill Learn

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    isnt surrendering to god the opposite to that, isnt it surrendering yourself, and your ego, and living only for god, devoting everything to him? which is living for god, and not yourself
     
  8. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    You could well be right.:) But what is schizophrenia? A blanket term to cover a wide variety of psychological states - or so some psychiatrists say. The line between madness and genius is often said to be a thin one.

    Surrender though is often equated with a kind of experience categorized by some as the 'death' of the ego. (It may amount only to it's temporary suspension) A feeling of being subsumed into a mode of being or consciousness greater or larger than the ordinary, every-day ego centered consciousness.
    A realization that 'it' does everything.

    A few thoughts anyway.
     
  9. Sebbi

    Sebbi Senior Member

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    No no no, it's that mentality that gave rise to the Nazi regime.
     
  10. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    How come?
     
  11. Sebbi

    Sebbi Senior Member

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    Because it was people giving up their self-respect and self consciousnesses that allowed Hitler to persuade Germany to do support him - Hitler was democratically elected.


    You need to have a lot of self respect to become selfless - it sounds like a contradiction but it's not. You've got to be as generous as others as you would people to be generous to yourself but you've also got to be as generous with yourself as you would like to be with others.

    Blessings

    Sebbi
     
  12. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    I don't think anything in my earlier post was saying that people should give up self-respect. I don't see how you could read that into it.
     
  13. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    So, umm, surrender is acknowledging reality?
     
  14. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    Or 'becoming' reality. Becoming 'real'. Language is a very limited tool to express what is esentially a non-verbal experience. (Of course, the verbal may enter into it).
     
  15. Sebbi

    Sebbi Senior Member

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    I wasn't refering to your post William
     
  16. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    Lol :)

    Sorry Sebbi, I thought you were because your post followed on from mine sequentially.
     
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