Miami Building Collapse, my idea for faster rescues

Something is just not right about this. If there are people buried you start from the top removing material , what is this crap ?

 

That is the top... of the section that fell.

 

Its not that big a pile of stuff.


There is just something creepy weird about this. Why aren't all the objects like the cement blocks and smaller above not carried off ? Removed.

In my opinion something weird is going on.

 

LOL!

Perhaps you could get certified Fire/Rescue, get your Paramedic tab and a dozen specialty SAR certifications, join a USAR Team (if you can make the cut), and then after a whole lot of training and ten or so years experience responding worldwide to structural collapses (like Miami-Dade does regularly) perhaps then you might be qualified to Monday-morning-quarterback their response.

 

Watching CNN what does debbie wasserman schultz know about collapsed buildings she is a political strategist expert why cant we hear from the search teams what they are doing ?

 

All I would learn is "that's the way we always done it"

There are people buried under debris. I think its time to start from the top and remove that debris,

My idea the conveyer belt machine was a good one. There is just something wrong, we dont hear from any experts I dont give a crap about what bernie sanders robbing debbie wasserman schultz has to say about collapsed building.

There is just something wrong how this is playing out.

 

I don't have the answers but this just doesn't seem right.

 

This is crazy CNN - USTVGO.TV

Reading between the lines I think the families are getting pissed the digging not go faster.

 

What would you prefer; they drive on with rescue efforts, or stop to give press conferences?
It's Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz's district, and at the moment she's a much better choice to explain the Federal response and to reassure grieving families that everything that can be done is being done than any PIO from IC.

 

It goes slow and methodically because the rubble is unstable; fuck up, and you might not only kill off a few viable survivors, but multiple rescuers as well. The voids (the only places you might find survivors) must be meticulously shored up and stabilized to prevent collapse before they can be searched. That process is taking place in multiple sites around the pile, including from underneath via the parking garage, and all of those sites must be orchestrated.

Don't suppose you're up for crawling in there with a helmet and flashlight, or is your job just to snark from the sidelines?

 

Clearly, you're unfamiliar with ongoing training and CEU's.

 

I'm no longer in the game, but if I had to guess, they're stopping to listen. Using ground-penetrating radar, they've identified potential voids that might contain live victims, they have inserted microphones and video cameras as deep as they can into the voids, sometimes manually with long probes, sometimes robotically ("that's the way we always done it" my ass; who do you think comes up with this tech?), then all work stops, all machinery shuts down, and they listen for signs of life. Any hits give them a point to target their resources. Believe it or not, it's the fastest, safest way to extricate survivors.

 

Developers of doomed Fla. tower were once accused of paying off officials:

The developers of the Miami condo tower that collapsed were once accused of paying off local officials to get permits for the site — which needed $15 million in repairs just to bring it to code, a new report says.

Building rivals claimed that the partners behind Surfside Champlain Towers South were receiving preferential treatment when it came to getting through the permit system as the site was being built in 1981, the Washington Post said.

Surfside’s developers had contributed to the campaigns of at least two town-council members, then demanded that the donations be returned when the allegations surfaced, according to the outlet.

 

They keep talking about the concrete issues reported around the pool section and underground parking. But from the collapse video it looks like the center of the building starts to fall from the roof down, and a few seconds later the end collapses from the bottom, probably because the center part damaged the foundation. It's a pretty bad quality video but that's how it looks to me anyway.

 

Champlain Towers is 2 meters above sea level; a spring tide in that area can be 1 meter. A Category 5 hurricane (becoming more frequent and more powerful due to anthropogenic climate change) can come ashore with a 12 meter storm surge. As sea levels rise causing a commensurate rise in water tables, osmotic infiltration of corrosive sea water, and in places like Florida, the erosion of porous, soluble limestone exacerbated by the acidification of the oceans, it'll be interesting to see what humans decide to do with their skyscrapers.

 

Based on what we now know it's clear the building needed to be cleared of it's residents while major structural repair work was done. But no one in the know was willing to pull that trigger.

Significantly worse': Doomed Miami condo's concrete deterioration was accelerating in April, condo letter says

An April letter sent from the president of the Champlain Towers South Condominium Association said that damage to the doomed building’s basement garage had “gotten significantly worse” since an inspection about two and a half years earlier and that deterioration of the building’s concrete was “accelerating.”

The letter also suggested that millions of dollars in needed repairs had been a subject of frustration among residents. The letter offers a glimpse into the events leading up to the building's deadly collapse last week in Surfside, Florida, that has left 11 people dead and over 150 missing.

 

For some stupid reason the support columns in the section that collapsed are much smaller than the columns in the part that is still standing.

 

As someone who's worked in BIG (not residential home) construction for over 40 years (on the technical side of things) I'm not surprised that Miami-area buildings are collapsing - and others there are now being deemed "unsafe." Does anyone remember the crazy-rapid pace that many of those Miami-area high-rise condos & hotels went up?? Some of the support structures shown in the pics of the collapsed condo look like large scaffolding pieces!!!!! Cheap & quick to "snap together." I've seen such high-rise hotels and condos in Delaware and Maryland myself as they were being built. SCARY-LOOKING support structures!!!! The same, cheap, "scaffold-resembling" structures were supporting those newly-built high-rises. Personally ................... I'd N-E-V-E-R want to live in one of those buildings. Hurry-up, ram-jam building schedules / paces are NEVER good for quality & safety.

Building contractors are ALWAYS lobbying for weaker building codes and "short-cuts" to speed construction. NOT GOOD for building occupants!!!!!!!!