How can we resist?

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by headymoechick, Feb 22, 2005.

  1. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

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    I am confused on a particular issue.

    We are not supposed to have sex until marraige.
    In Western Culture you can't get married until you are around 18.

    But girls bodies are maturing earlier and earlier. Not that that makes them mentally ready to have sex, but why is this happening and how are we supposed to stay virtuous when the urges come at such a young age?

    Also, marriage is being put off later and later.

    I don't get how everyone is expected to stay a virgin until married when their body says lets go at 13 and they don't marry until 30.

    Is our society just that corrupt and virtues no longer have meaning? But then why the natural early maturing?

    I am very confused. I wish God would release the Bible- Part 2 that explains what he wants from us in a more updated way. I don't read the bible much because a lot of it cannot be applied to Western culture. and then that makes me question our society.

    Doesn anyone have an answer or at least some knowledge to shine a light on the subject for me?
     
  2. dutch_diciple

    dutch_diciple Member

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    "Is our society just that corrupt and virtues no longer have meaning?"
    yeah when the average christian looks at today's society and culture, the conclusion is that there are quite some rotten things, yes.

    Average age to marry would be between 20 and 30 I gues. Maybe between 25 and 30, something like that. Anyway, that's something of today's society, because people get educated at least until they are 20-25. And then they marry. In society of some hundreds of years ago, I think they married earlier because education time was not as long as it is now.
    You're right that being physically ready for sex doesn't mean being mentally ready for sex too. But what is the leading factor for you? 'If it feels good do it'? That at least is something unbiblical and thus unchristian. Biblical would be to think of God's will first and after that, your own. Fighting against your nature and/or feelings can be part of that, yes.

    It says a couple of times in 'songs of salomon' : "Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires." Which means do not get layed when you feel like it but wait for the right moment. Also think of ruth that slept at the feet of Boaz because she was not married to him yet. Or mary and joseph that did not have sex before they were married (which was after the birth of Jesus).

    But I don't know what you think of these things, and what your religious interest/philosophy is. hope to hear from you soon.
     
  3. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

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    I consider myself Christian. I don't go by "if it feels good, do it" but I don't restrict myself as much as I probably should.

    Take me for example. I matured very early and now I'm 19. I've been ready for sex for 8 years. I don't want to get married so young because I would probably change my mind and get divorced, pissing God off even more.

    than again my question wasn't really for me. It was more for those of you who are more devout than I. I just can't see how it is logical to expect people to wait to have sex when naturally womean are maturing faster and marriage is getting held off. It doesn't make sense.
     
  4. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    The reason there are prohibitions within a faith is to support the faiths continued existence in a reality that the faith does not accurately portray. The church must find things in reality that do not promote continued peaceful existence and claim that God has prohibited these things in order to make sure faith in God does not decrease due to a natural world that does not support the claim of God's existence.

    All "sins" are things in reality have a potential to have an adverse effect upon the sinner. All who "sin" (engage in risky behaviour) do not fail in life, in fact many become very successful (Elton John), which is evidence that there is not a God that specifically prohibits these behaviors. The church is making an educated gamble that most people who engage in certain types of behaviour will have a bad life and they make the claim that God prohibits these behaviors in order to promote their rule over the imagination of men.

    Sun Tsu said "If you know the enemy and know yourself, your victory will not stand in doubt; if you know Heaven and know Earth, you may make your victory complete."

    Heaven is the imagination of men. Earth is the reality in which we live. The church is engaged in a war to rule the imagination of men by making claims that appeal to the imagination of men (in other words "fishing for men's souls").

    Imagine an eternal perfect life! This is the goal of life itself. It is written in the hearts of every man, that there is a hope that we can achieve this. The church claims that God has written this message in the hearts of men, but I say that any random glimpse of happiness out of the natural world could have given arise to this lofty goal. That the goal exists in eternal reality is evidence that it can actually be achieved- that the laws of reality will give rise to this hope again and again until it is achieved. It would be a lot easier if there was an all knowing God in charge of achieving this Goal. Otherwise we have to hope that a random black hole doesn't come along and eat up our galaxy before we have the chance to conquer death and hell- although I am sure more life will come along to attempt the conquering of death (end of life) and hell (having a shitty non-joyful life).

    I believe the first experience of self realizing joy to ever arise is the start of life's intent to willfully pursue continued existence for all eternity. The law that governs life is our God's eternal unchanging will, and unless we learn the law we will not achieve eternal joy (or if God just grant's us eternal joy... that would be way easier, every lazy self-deceptive man's dream).
     
  5. FreakerSoup

    FreakerSoup Stranger

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    Perhaps...and this is just a thought I had while reading this, so don't take it too seriously...but perhaps it's evolution. Like girls who mature younger tend to have sex younger, sex more, get pregnant more, and pass on their early-maturing genes. Someone should study that. But not me, 'cause I just don't care.
     
  6. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

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    hmm, Buffalo guy, huh?

    You're quite local!

    Anyway, yeah it just doesn't make sense to me and I thought someone could shed a little light on it in Layman's terms for me.
     
  7. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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    I seriously doubt that many people are emotionally mature enough for sexual intimacy before age 20, and I see no reason to delay marriage much later than that. I and most Christian I know married during or shortly after college.

    Basically, if you aren't ready to commit to marriage, then you aren't ready to have sex.
     
  8. headymoechick

    headymoechick I have no idea

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    but for this day and age, that's bull.

    the majority of people are having sex without being married

    and why are we all supposed to live like that? I loathe the thought of having to live like someone else because their way is "right". And what about those who don't find true love? or those who get married in college and 1/2 of them divorce?
     
  9. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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  10. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    I don't have a problem with it. Then again, I'm not very stereotypical.

    I actually am proud of being a virgin. And I'm gonna stay one until I maried. And my husband has to be one too. I'm saving it FOR him (and he should for me too). Why should I ruin his trust with such an act? Mariage is a very special thing, it allowes you to lose your virginity as a gift, and you can have as much of it with him as you want! :D
     
  11. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    actually it's more about the food we eat. Meat filled wth estrogen,milk filled with estrogen, developemet of fat, etc.etc...
     
  12. Becknudefck

    Becknudefck Senior Member

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    I started "maturing" in like 4th grade. I plan on having sex before marriage and I know its gonna happen. Right now, I dont even want to get married. Ive still got a whole lifetime ahead of me to do that stuff.
     
  13. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    In the Bible, the consumation of marriage is sexual intercourse. When man created Adam and Eve, they did not have a marriage ceremony. The two became one by way of the initial act of physicality.

    In lamens terms, each person that you have sexual relations with is your partner in the eyes of God. Therefore, when you have sex with more than one person, you are committing adultery. Because sex is so powerful in creating intimacy, there must be some constraints on how it was to be used. This is why God specifically relegated sex to the arena of marriage. The kind of intimacy that God desires between a married couple cannot occur between one person and several others. It can only be experienced between one man and one woman (Hence: "each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband." 1 Corinthians 7:2")
     
  14. FreakerSoup

    FreakerSoup Stranger

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    Whereabouts are you from, HMC?

    I think, PERSONALLY, that most of the bible is just a story. For some of it, like Jesus's teachings, it doesn't really matter if it happened or not, because he was a good guy and role model regardless of if it's true. Something else to take into account is that the bible was not delivered to man by god. It was written by human beings, a long time ago. It's not even like his voice boomed down from heaven and they transcribedin hebrew. The "voice of god" that they heard could only be heard in their wonderful little organ called a brain. This means that even if the voice in their heads was god, everything he said had to be filtered through a person. Man was his editor, so to speak. If their voice told them something they didn't approve of (which I doubt would happen), these scribes were completely free to remove it or alter it.
     
  15. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    Go ahead. But God is not gonna be very happy about it. It's your own choice,your free will. And if you feel like commiting adultry, and losing verginity and your purity, as well as defiling God's word on perpose.So be it.
    Looks like you're not gonna be very devoted to your husband either.You're not even saving that gift for your TRUE love! Instead you waste it on someone you'll most likely dump...Oh well!

    Go ahead and follow some 'fad' which people who can't control themselves do. Ya' know,- the stereotypical teenager that gives us all a bad rep? the devil loves that![​IMG]

    Atleast you can't say that nobody ever told you that this is against the Lord's wishes..:rolleyes:
     
  16. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Originally Posted by FreakerSoup
    Perhaps...and this is just a thought I had while reading this, so don't take it too seriously...but perhaps it's evolution. Like girls who mature younger tend to have sex younger, sex more, get pregnant more, and pass on their early-maturing genes. Someone should study that. But not me, 'cause I just don't care.

    actually it's more about the food we eat. Meat filled wth estrogen,milk filled with estrogen, developemet of fat, etc.etc...
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    I agree that the excess consumption of hormones in our diet is one major factor in the earlier onset of puberty these days. It is a recipe for trouble, imho. When my youngest brother was in grade 12, our local highschool opened a daycare due to the fact that 23 members of his graduating class that year had babies.
    I am not against premarital sex, but I do find something very special about the idea of abstaining until you find the 'one'. I hope you find that man, and from experience I can tell you that if you meet someone who is your soulmate, twinflame, mirror, etc., you will have no doubt at all that he is the one.
     
  17. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    Thank you! :)

    23? Whoa! :eek:
    SOMEBODY just couldn't resist? Could they?? :eek: :eek:
     
  18. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    A whole bunch of them!

    I sometimes wonder if the reason was that our school district was one of the last in the whole province to teach sex education. Out of all of the districts, (hundreds), ours and the one next to ours still hadn't allowed it by then, and I don't even know how much they teach about it now.

    In the book "Emotional Intelligence", the author, Daniel Goleman, shows that a person's ability to delay their own personal gratification, to make a sacrifice today in order to achieve better gains tomorrow, was a better predicter of future life success in children than IQ scores were.
     
  19. cabdirazzaq

    cabdirazzaq Member

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    Now here is something you don't hear everyday. Chastity and modesty are so important today as we live in a world where whims and desires are widely spread.
     
  20. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Physical pleasure is a manifestation of divine love, however, it can confuse you as to it's source. You just have to learn that God is all powerful, and your satisfaction comes from God, which is truly something to be excited about.
     
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