question I didn't see fully answered.. (I think)

Given that the even tshould alst at most for 25 minutes....

what's it like coming down? How long until I'm sober?

 

For me, things usually end up going like this:

(T) Take the hit.

(T + :30) Feel some of the effects coming on; depending on dosage, I may already feel them coming on strong. Often times, there is either a "breach" where I am sucked through a porthole, or at least everything "gains" a fourth-dimension (where all shadows are visually similar to the shadows in Serial Experiments Lain).

(T + 1:00) Usually am gone by this point, if there is a strong enough dose. In a world of ordered randomness, per se. Things are going completely nuts, even though they make sense and I can feel them.

(T + x) The length of x depends on the dose ... usually anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes, for me, during which I'm having a pretty powerful experience, often accomplanied by fits of laughter. Once this period is over, I start to feel an extremely prominent fourth dimension in everything (again, like Serial Experiments Lain, except it's both seen AND felt physically).

(T + x + 5:00) A less powerful fourth dimension effect, and a lot of thinking, realizing, and pondering what crazy events just happened.

(T + x + 10:00) The fourth-dimension effect is mild now, and I'm usually just closing my eyes and letting images run past my head, food for thought and introspection.

(T + x + 20:00) Most of it is gone now, including fourth-dimension-like effects, though I still tend to be thinking pretty fast.

That's how it usually goes for me. A few times, it's been different (no fourth-dimension effects, but some other interesting ones), and most of the time, the felt fourth-dimension is radically different each time, but it does stand out as fourth-dimension-like (and I mean fourth physical dimension, not including time as the "fourth dimension").

Comedown is usually thought of similar to a "high," which is sometimes thought as "chill" or "mellow," but can also be quite powerful. A lot of times, speech is inebriated, and I sound deformed or retarded, and have trouble talking. This happens to a lot of people, though.

 

Whats serial expiriments lain??? Do you close your eyes or keep them open?

 

like hiraku zero says for me too.
pretty much
yup

 

Serial Experiments Lain is an incredibly trippy anime. Half the time, the shadows are coloured and stuff, and people are hallucinating and all kinds of crazy shit is going on. It's a real mind-blower out of anime. Extremely popular, kind of a "classic" like Akira. It's 13 episodes long, definately worth trying.

I usually close my eyes, but when they're open is when I get the majority of the 4th-dimension effects. When closed, I still feel the 4th-dimension, but I don't see it anymore.

Closing my eyes also seems to make the experience slightly stronger for me, because I have less sensory input to interfere. =)

 

How long does this last part?

Also, how often can you do it and be okay? (consider both health and strength of effect for answer) Does your mind seem to build an immunity to it?

 

I believe it's quite the opposite. A sort of reverse tolerance.. For me anywho. easier to break through each time.

I'm planning on getting some 10x. Yay.

 

Wow...that's amazing. Another questions...are the "realizations" he mentions above similair to cid "realizations?" Cause, that is one of my favorite parts about this trippin...

 

Lasts for ... 15 minutes, maybe? 20 to 30 at most?

And, I can only do it, at most maybe, a few times per month ... not more than that, it's too mind-crazy. Physically, I suppose I could do it as often as I could, but ... it's too much of a mind-trip for me to do it often. I haven't seen any tolerance buildup, though; like it was said, if anything, a tolerance loss.

Haven't tried LSD, but from what I've heard, they're kind of similar. Kind of like a combination of trip realizations and cannabis high realizations, and yet something foreign as well.

 

the period of re-integration with cid is 1/4 of the duration (1- 4 hrs?)
the period of re-integration with salvia is up to 50x longer than the voyage. (1- 6 hrs?)
salvia is much more about re-integration probably because the voyage is so intense even though it is so short.

 

well, I tried it. After listening to all the tips, I bought some 10x extract. I did not have a bong so I was forced to smoke out of a bowl


I used a torch lighter. I ended up packing a second bowl, but getting anywher near finishing it.

During the first bowl, I started feeling this physical vibration in my leg, then it spread to the other leg and as I took more hits, it seemed to be spreading upward. I kept thinking from other reports that I was a hard head because I wasn't close to tripping. Other people mentioned not remembering putting down the bong, but I could keep taking hits. I was determined to get somewhere, though...

Then I packed the second bowl and I (I was outside on a chilli day) started staring up to a bunch a branches. Then, all of a sudden, I was tripping. I can't really remember what I was thinking, but that force was everywhere. It was pulling me straight up. I felt like I was sitting in a HUGE ferris wheel and I was suspended in air. I kept remembering that I was in a chair even though it really felt like I was in mid air, suspended. I was almost afraid of falling down...

I wanted to try close my eyes to see what that was like and when I would close my eyes, I would see such wierd patterns and it felt like my eyes were really open. I felt like I was in another world....

I then remembered that people said to lie down (I think it's in the manual, so I went up stairs and climbed into my bed.

Also, I kept hearing all these voices like from movies or TV or something...is that normal? At this point, the strongest part was over.

I guess I have a few questions here. Someone mentioned being in the right mind set. Next time I do it, what should I be thinking about? What is that force? It seems awfully strong and I was a little worried about it. Is there reason to be? Does anyone know, specifically, what this does to your brain? Because it was such a strange experience, I was like what in the world is going on now in my head...

 

the mindset is openness - the rest is what you already are

about lying down, if the opportunity is arranged, ok otherwise don't fret about anything neither position nor time nor setting.

once launched your only responsibility is to be calm - to begin to let go and to keep on letting go.

up to the point of ignition you can make a few meaningful arrangements (the details are really not important - only the heart matters), after ignition for 5 mins there is no meaningful thing to arrange, it is done - already set, hence set and setting which is already set up from a lifetime of whatever.

don't waste the special moments by puttering.

 

i'm no expert, but i find it rewarding to meditate beforehand

 

Seconded.

I like to meditate about having a good trip, relaxing, clearing my mind, and learning what I can from Mother Sally. =) It helps, at least psychologically.

 

sublingual lasts about 45 smoked 5-10 min

 

I tried it again...this time using the 20x extract.


I had to smoke much less, but it was so funny.

I was sitting outside in the place I was the first time (my back yard) and I was smoking it wondering when it would take effect.

Suddenly, and without warning, I was having a conversation (although I don't think I actually said anything) with something about who's "in charge here".

Someone or something was saying I was in charge, and I thought it was so funny becaue I know I wasn't in charge and someone else was. There was a third thing and I kept thinking that I am just gong to let this thing talk and even though he says I'm in charge, it's probaby going to be the third thing that is in charge.

Then I started laughing when I realized, a little, what was going on. As I was coming down, I couldn't believe that there was nothing there and that I was alone. I realzied I was in charge.

It was really wierd.

Anyway, a couple more questions here:

1) Can I do this more than once a day and will it affect the potency? (This was in the morning and I really wanted to try it again later on at night...)

2) How do you guys really make this a spiritual thing? I am so far gone that until I come down, I have zero control over what's going on. Is anyone able to control what happens? Will this come with practice? (this was only my second time of feeling the effects of it)

3) This stuff is so cool....why isn't more popular? I feel like telling all my friends about it (with the handbook, of course.)

4) Don't you think it would be more accurate to say this causes you to hallucinate, not trip. It's really like cid at all - It just takes you to this strange place...tripping is more mental.

I still feel like I'm not doing it 100% right, so maybe it's me. I can't imagine having realizations off of this because I never know what's going on until I come down.

Any tips?

 

Salvia divinorum research suggests that Salvia doesn't do any damage to your body. There is no tolerance that is known to be associated with Salvia; so it's not like heroin, where if you keep doing it, you have to do more and more.

If you WANT to try it again (even right away), that's your decision to make; I personally rarely have the energy/ability/desire to try Salvia again immediately afterwards, but I have (seldom) done it twice in the same day, and had no problems.

But in large doses, I haven't really had the desire to try Salvia within the next week. =P I'm usually still thinking at this point, haha.

I don't know of anyone that finds that they are in control of the experience. Things always seem to happen at complete random, or at least the full experience seems somewhat random (even if it has a sort of plot to it).

Well, if you do tell people (and give them the user's guide =P), make sure it's people who you trust to be responsible enough to not abuse it.

Meh ... I don't know that I'd call it hallucinating either. Your senses are completely overwhelmed (with a powerful experience), sometimes you experience ego death/loss (which is common to trips, LSD or otherwise), and it's not a hallucinogen, it's an entheogen ... I don't know exactly what that means, but I'm pretty sure that the Salvia experience isn't as much of a hallucination than it is a "unique experience."


And the experience IS entirely mental. If you don't think you're doing it right, look for some tips on these forums (try the stickied thread; that should cover most of it). And, most of the realizations occur during the "comedown" stage, when you semi-realize what just happened, and start wondering. =P

 

thanks, Hikaru Zero. You really seem to be very clear about this strange little plant.


I want to say something here at the risk of sounding insane.

Everytime I've done it so far (3) I feel like I'm taken to another plane or universe (I know that's normal). But then I hear something talking to me. It's sort of like voices, but I often answer out loud. A lot times I will answer to make it more real (so I hear my voice and know that I am talking back)

And it is always about the same voice. Once it told me, "I think _____ (my name) should just go back to his life. And I said, "really?" and then I started coming down.

It's so wierd.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

 

Auditory hallucinations (if that's what you want to call them) are apparently somewhat common to Salvia ... I've heard things happen to other people much the same way that they've happened to you here. Most of the time, a person says, "It was like someone was calling out to me, asking me questions or telling me something."

Myself, I don't seem to get auditory hallucinations ... the closest I've had to one of those is the "feeling" that another entity was *trying* to communicate with me, but that the words couldn't reach. Kind of like feeling the intent to communicate, but not actually getting the communication. But other than that, I haven't heard any voices in my experiences. I think it's just one of the ways Salvia affects people differently.

 

Thanks for the info, again.


Another thing I notice is the feeling of being stuck safely in my place if that makes sense. If I'm standing or sitting, I just feel like I'm stuck there like in a pocket of safety or comfort for a while and often times I try and force myself to move to make sure I can.

And I know that there is a spiritual dimension to this which I haven't fully grasped yet. For me, I kind of feel like I'm in a cartoon or movie if that makes sense.

I'd be very curious to know if anyone has researched what the natives who have using this stuff think it does. Are they talking to their "gods"? Anyone know?

Also, does anyone notice that they get tired after it? Another concern of mine is that I would get addidted to this. It's just so weird and fun.

I remember reading that you (Hikaru) said not to smoke it everyday. I know it makes sense as it does with most things not to overdo them, but what reasons would you give for that. This is, of course, in light of the fact that you always stress that there haven't been any know physical dangers from it.

I have a very addictive personality, so please be as persuasive as possible!