lets try this again,a comunal questionaire,5 easy questions,your replys appreciated

O.K.,its actually 6,,:&

1.How many folks that are going to a commune have the money to sink into a home or a community kettle??

2.how is the land divided,,, i cant think that one would have 43 names on a deed to a fifteen acre piece of property(just an example),
one comes in dumps what money they can into said community then things aint what they seem further on down the line or it changes leadership n folks bail,,,, sooooooooooooo ummmmmmmmmmmmmm all the thousands i bust my butt for go where?????into the community or the couple land owners assets???..



3. how many of said folks are on the public dole n get the hand outs from the govt?? the food stamps the health care, the housing allotments .. Isnt that doing the very thing that we are trying to escape?????


4.folks on the public dole in essence are contributing to the shit in society as a whole,,,, and how in reality is this going to contribute to helping a community grow???


5.is it just for one whom has already been blessed with the keeper of the land status,, to be requiring such things that basically equate to rent from those whom are already contributing multiple hours of labor???


6.A communal fund is a great idea,,to purchase a plot of land,, but is it not ludicrous to expect folks whom have no stake legally to said plot of land to contribute any more than there hours to cover there room and board,,unless there spirit so moves them to?


Once again,,not startin shit,,just askin for logical responses to that which we ponder about communal living,,thank yall fer yer replies..:sunglasse

 

These are just my guesses, but this is how I would do it:

1.How many folks that are going to a commune have the money to sink into a home or a community kettle??

I'm guessing most don't have the money for a home. Perhaps just accept people with some sort of Babylon job. I'm a phone psychic/phone sex op, so if the commune has a phone and web access, I'd be there. Of course, I would only wanna be an organizer/leader.

2.how is the land divided,,, i cant think that one would have 43 names on a deed to a fifteen acre piece of property(just an example),
one comes in dumps what money they can into said community then things aint what they seem further on down the line or it changes leadership n folks bail,,,, sooooooooooooo ummmmmmmmmmmmmm all the thousands i bust my butt for go where?????into the community or the couple land owners assets???..



This is why such a project should only be undertaken by someone making a life commitment and is socially responsible. I would say the main core of people (maybe like four or six) should be on the deed. This is doable, but I'd consult a lawyer.

3. how many of said folks are on the public dole n get the hand outs from the govt?? the food stamps the health care, the housing allotments .. Isnt that doing the very thing that we are trying to escape?????


Not many I'd guess. People disgusted with Babylon seem to be reliable folks who want to succeed.

4.folks on the public dole in essence are contributing to the shit in society as a whole,,,, and how in reality is this going to contribute to helping a community grow???


Agreed. Why would you want people on the dole there though? I would only accept people with a job, even if not a high paying one. I'd go as far to talk to managers.

5.is it just for one whom has already been blessed with the keeper of the land status,, to be requiring such things that basically equate to rent from those whom are already contributing multiple hours of labor???

I would say ten hours a week and a portion of the paycheck isn't too much to ask, as long as you're out busting your ass harder than anyone.


6.A communal fund is a great idea,,to purchase a plot of land,, but is it not ludicrous to expect folks whom have no stake legally to said plot of land to contribute any more than there hours to cover there room and board,,unless there spirit so moves them to?

Yes, it is ludricrous to expect them to invest thousands immediately. I would say a non-refundable deposit of something like $300 for a single and $50 for each individual is fair. If they care to contribute more, let them. Beyond that, a room and board fee is sufficient.

Of course, keep in mind, I would never join a commune unless I organized it. I'm too solitary and few people meet or agree with my standards, it seems.

 

1.How many folks that are going to a commune have the money to sink into a home or a community kettle??

Yes and no, money comes and goes and no never in a million years would I give up money without a bit of time to see if it were to be the place for me, after a bit of time how could one not give since thats alot of the spirit behind community.

2.how is the land divided,,, i cant think that one would have 43 names on a deed to a fifteen acre piece of property(just an example),
one comes in dumps what money they can into said community then things aint what they seem further on down the line or it changes leadership n folks bail,,,, sooooooooooooo ummmmmmmmmmmmmm all the thousands i bust my butt for go where?????into the community or the couple land owners assets???..



It is one thing to give and contribute but one must also realize that if one has no status in ownership reality says find a middle point to contribute.



3. how many of said folks are on the public dole n get the hand outs from the govt?? the food stamps the health care, the housing allotments .. Isnt that doing the very thing that we are trying to escape?????



You know my thoughts on that, fuck no why take from the system ones trying to get out from underneath, its bad enough to know I still pay taxes on the good and services I use from day to day. Start the flat tax where all pays equally and I say hell yea!

4.folks on the public dole in essence are contributing to the shit in society as a whole,,,, and how in reality is this going to contribute to helping a community grow???

I dont see how it can help, on the surface it may seem like its a help ( look man I got 300 bucks in food stamps) thats good at the moment ...refer to answer number 3


5.is it just for one whom has already been blessed with the keeper of the land status,, to be requiring such things that basically equate to rent from those whom are already contributing multiple hours of labor???



Yes and no, all situations are different, if one can give more and still keep the quality of life they think is right for them why not give more, why wouldnt they want to!


6.A communal fund is a great idea,,to purchase a plot of land,, but is it not ludicrous to expect folks whom have no stake legally to said plot of land to contribute any more than there hours to cover there room and board,,unless there spirit so moves them to?


I cannot myself cannot see a communal fund when one has no stake in the land, isnt this just another form of government and taxation. Or a dictatorship where when your shown the door all you have put in is lost, not even in the usa mainstream world does the gov just knock on your door and say see ya, ya just lost out.


I am glad this post was made, I had one semi-like it but after a rough family night i pulled it, wish I hadnt.

Most know im part of hh lil family and although this isnt actually a community alot of these issues still exist here.

Ive been through some rough family times here, some thiers some my own and its hard, moods, attitudes and real life family issues seem to set the pace for alot of things that do or dont get done, it comes and goes.

Recently it seems we all have our own issues we are dealing with and the stress level is high and as dilli has posted before thiers many exit ramps on this highway be we seem to not even look at them. Knowing what the big picture is all about.

I could go on and on but folks dont read long replys, well not the folks one would wish did. I made a post in the rainbow family section and refered to three good people these here are the ones I refered to.

 

What the hell are folks thinking?

 

Most communities form a legal entity that owns the land. Often theindividuals are given a life time lease on their own site. Many use the Co-Op as the preferred method of the legal entity - in that method everyone "owns" the land (there are plenty of sites outlining the co-op legal method).

Now I don't know who you associate with but most I know don't want to have much to do with the gov. and do not use any of their "free" services in which you have to sign any assets away to them anyway.

So.... owning the land is a problem only if only 1 person owns it - when 1 person owns the land he is the dictator no matter how benevolent - same goes for a couple - partnerships have also been used as the legal entity for handling the ownership of the land but by and large the legal entities (Corporation, incorporated, Co-Operative, Collective, Non Profit Organisation - to name the ones most frequently used) are used for holding the land in common for all who are members of the community.

On this to find your way - you will have to do your own research - I would not wish to be faulted for giving erroneous information - there are plenty of sites and many communitie will open up their legal works to others who are seeking to start their own community. Even with each individual entity, by-laws are formed to be used for governing - rules of conduct - points of order - yah de yah.


And communism does not equal community - and communes are what ? probably the reason most of us doing community changed to intentional community - where hopefully people of like mind come together to make the work and life easier and more interesting as we Grow on.

 

Soooooooo,,,,Once again,,that would mean if they break the rules(most leases ive seen have 2 or 3 pages of rules) there out the door an there investment is gone to the ones whom names are on the land deed correct?



Just tryin to see the benefits of a intentional community/commune or whatever ya wanna call it,,an so far unless yer names on the deed,,ive yet to find any security in them what so ever...please enlighten me...:H

 

i dont understand why folks have to say a commume has a leader

EQUAL is the key word​

people come to communes to help and support not to be used and abused

unity​

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love ​

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respect​

i am happy where i am at cause i feel
love and am part of the whole not segregated or used
thats what i believe a commune is

togetherness​

 

I agree. It would make more sense for several people to be head investors in land, and truly be a COMMUNE where all are equal. Leaders never work in a communistic setting.

 

Nope - never was no security , But on the deed is the legal entities name.
The community provides the shelter food heat and water to each member and the family living with them - If most of the members decide that a member is disruptive they can vote them out.
No guarantees that it's going to work
Yup you probably should own your own land should you feel the need for security or control.

Let me edit this to add:
The community must be able to withstand the absence of any individuals - but the group of individuals may decide to dissolve the community.

Voting methods - simple majority, 2/3, 3/4 majority, consensus, or unaminous consent (please note that unaminous consent means that each individual agrees that this is the method all are willing to try as the best solution that all can agree on - not necessarily what each individual determines is the ideal solution) are determined by the bylaws.

Most communities do try to provide some sort of security for assetts individuals bring to the table - our own solution to this was to form a Co-Op with shares in which each memeber has only 1 vote regardless of the number of shares - the assets each brings in are assigned a value by mutual agreement (signed contract - ahead of time - i.e. before the assetts are committed to the community) between the individual and the community. Each member receives 1 share for each year of active (working) membership. The values of all the shares must at no time be beyond the total assetts of the community. If separation of the Ways occurs, the community must buy out the leaving individuals shares - profits are distributed by shares, as are the assetts should dissolution occur.

And finally - how the hell does anyone really have any security - you could die tomorrow- shit even today. LOL

Have a great day

 

I could imagine all sorts of schemes people could use to part people from their cash then vote them out. I don't mean to seem paranoid, but I tried trusting people in a cohousing type situation I was in once and they burned me horribly. I ended up scrambling trying to find a place to live in in a week.

Never again without a legal document.

 

totally agree - surprising how people want you to trust their word, but will not sign a legal contract to enforce it - aye ?

 

THERES SOMETHING INHERENTLY WRONG WITH LEGALITIES BEIN A MUST TO JOIN A GROUP....:H
but thats just,,
"another worthless opinion from a uneductated hippie..."

 

I agree with oldwolf. if you don't feel secure - then don't join the community. plain and simple.

If you need security - get your own land.

Personally I'm going to start my commune out by owning my land and then moving it into some type of non - profit or co-op entity after that.

Heres the trick in my eyes - don't search for a community that suites your needs - builld a community that suites your needs.

Let it come from within yourself and you will never be let down.

 

There are intentional communties being formed now where people buy land together and then subdivide, each party having their own lease. That is security enough for me at least. I just hope I can find one like that in Maine, I have only seen a couple so far.

 

As well can be said that someone who's afraid to put their word into a legally binding contract - Aye ?

 

Fundamentally I do truely have to agree with the ole hillbilly on this one, for I would hope that a set of greater than mediocre minds could associate themselves to an order greater than a simple legal entity of organization, if theres away around this requirement, indeed it should not have to be one, but in the end practicalities a bitch.

 

Yah , It would be nice if the world was different than it Is - but it is not.

At any time the name on the deed can dictate to the others - reverse the given word and besides that - the goverment as well demands that the contract acted on in good faith must be written and agreed on with signatures affixed - though a handshake with witnesses is also binding - but make sure that somewhere it gets written - ie the acknowledgment of the agreement, and documented so that no adverse drama can occurs to circumvent the original word.

And If you have not seen people go back on their word - than you have closed your eyes to reality.

 

SOOOOOOOO,,essentially,,by your own definitions an explanations,,,


A modern day commune/intentional community has been reduced to nothing more than yer typical yuppie gated community with its property owners associatian and its association dues,,,


only difference is a communal garden spot instead of the tennis courts an swimmin pool...an worse with a intentional community/commune ya can be voted out by the group/property owners association..

Where as in the real world only the bank can foreclose,an the property owners can only sue for there dues,,...least ya aint gotta worry about the association kickin ya out... :H


hmmmmm that sounds like a shitty way to drop outta the system to me,,,ill have to pass....:sunglasse

 

yeah correct me if im wrong but isnt the point of leaving society for a commune is that you leave society?

 

Hey hippyhillbillie...aren't you a member of an intentional community?...If you are, how is it that their affairs in this department are conducted? Maybe I have mistaken you with another?