Law of Parsimony / Ockham's Razor

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by Hikaru Zero, Feb 12, 2005.

  1. Hikaru Zero

    Hikaru Zero Sylvan Paladin

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    Now see, this is what I really kind of disagree with. People think that they have some kind of "right" to have a level of knowledge higher than rationality and emotion. They think that they're "gods" and they aren't content with what they have.

    My existance is defined as HUMAN. As a HUMAN, I am RATIONAL and I am EMOTIONAL. I am not a god, I do not have any more knowledge than I actually do. And you know what, I'm happy with that! I don't have to be "fulfilled," nor do I require to seek knowledge beyond my own HUMAN capabilities.

    So many *humans* are not okay with being *human,* and I think that's their tragic flaw.
     
  2. mother_nature's_son

    mother_nature's_son Member

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    Right, well there are many 'layers' of categories, the way I see it, science being the most basic- the foundation.
    I would say that the categories of morality can be quite dangerous, instilling guilt and shame into an individual at young, impressionable ages. There is an entire mental and emotional conditioning that follows, often appealing to fear rather than love.

    A disease... most definitely. In many ways, the modern world requires that the individual be dominated by the intellect, just to function in our technological society. The science aspect again, very basic. As cliche as it sounds, love is what we are missing in this world; and love comes from the heart.
     
  3. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    But if there is a higher than intellectual/emotional mode of knowledge it is within the human capacity. A process of awakening may be needed - that's really in my opinion the true function of religion. Not speculative philosophy or emotionalism.
     
  4. Occam

    Occam Old bag of dreams

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    Black Bill

    The principle of parsimony..
    Occams Razor
    Suggests that no awakening besides the desire to shed our
    ignorance is required to make a fusion of emotion and reason
    in our understanding.
    The 'special secret to wisdom'
    Is having a relative lack of ignorance

    Occam
     
  5. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    And after you wake the man, it's considered bad luck if you don't get him a drink.

    And the second bucket of water was just to watch the stench of the pen off you.
     
  6. mati

    mati Member

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    It is always right in front of your nose, not on some "higher" plane or something. The occultist refuses to accept the world as his, repression and manifestation are the same thing. Only when we accept the world as ours can we begin to see things as they really are. Art Kleps "MIllbrook"
     
  7. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    I'm not talking about a fusion of reason and emotion, but something else - a different mode of knowledge - similar to the consciousness referred to by zen buddhists as 'satori', by hindus as 'samhadi' etc.
    In other words, not an idea or set of ideas, not a feeling, but a definite higher mode of awareness.
    Since Occam's razor is a formulation of the intellect, it can only apply to intellectual formulations. It is simply a linguistic structure, one among many.
     
  8. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    What if the man is in AA?
     
  9. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Get him a virgin mary.
     

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