Socialism Is The Future

I think there are some European countries that are a better example of successes in socialism or social democracy, which is probably more prevalent. There are, of course, countries who have failed to incorporate effective strategies.

 

You drink a coffee. That coffee is being harvested by an Ugandan worker (actually a slave). You are exploiting that Ugandan worker (actually the slave). That is your problem if you think exploiting people is not ethical. It is all our problem if we are drinking that coffee while a guy working his ass off to harvest that coffee without getting paid as a human. Let's don't make it personal please.

Those socialist countries that you have mentioned above; do you think they represent the actual socialist ideals? They are just goverments that are being runned by capitalists under the socialist government title.

 

You picked a piss poor argument plenty of fair trade/fair wage coffee available UNLESS your speaking of starbucks which you could not PAY me to drink

 

Visit coffee farms and ask workers about their wages or keep fooling yourself.

 

name one?

 

Hardly anyone thinks they are paid what they should be..

so all the fair trade/fair wage coffee producers are lying

like these guys
Mayorga was founded 23 years ago on the premise that we can be the conduit to give consumers delicious organic coffee at a great price while giving farmers access to the market to create better income for them.

DIRECT SUPPLY CHAIN

 

Visit tobacco farms here and ask the workers how they are doing. Same shit.

don’t think you can tell me how it is in my country. You fucking don’t know, but you have this vision, which is a lie, presented to you by socialists.

 

I was at my cardiologist and the female doctor was freaking hot.

 

In that diagram, probabaly the farmer is the owner of the land; not the worker. Workers still gets what is avarage in the traditional way. That is a marketing strategy.

 

That is what i am talking about. Those tobacco farmers are being fucked by capitalist wealthy people. You get it now?
But i am pretty sure they are in a much better condition than people working in coffee farms in Uganda.

 

BS.. whatever Owner takes risk owner gets lions share

Coop coffees
"Fair and Direct" trade relationships for the benefit of small-scale farmer families, their communities and exporting cooperatives

What Is a Coffee Cooperative & How Does It Support Producers? - Perfect Daily Grind

 

not true. He hires people. Small farms don’t because they can’t afford to, especially with taxes imposed. Government control of imports and what you are permitted to do. Who has the rights to and who doesn’t. Even farming is government controlled. There is a supply management in place. They can not do what they want to prosper. Even having sheep is controlled thanks to socialism. Only certain people are allowed to gather wool, even though other locations would create better quality wool as they impose price control and the owner, farmer work for pennies an hour.

by the way, the cost of milk in Canada Is double that of in the USA. Figure that out? This is what socialism has done, The government sets the prices here. They take the lions share. our wages are lower thanks to heavy socialist taxation, and costs are higher for purchasing.

 

Farmer families means land owners. They still have their own workers(slaves) to make the real working done. If you don't believe it, go and watch them while harvesting or planting. I have seen many. That is how i know the truth, i saw with my own eyes.

 

To 347: Denmark.

 

Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It's Had Enough Of His 'Socialist' Slurs | Investor's Business Daily
The Danes apparently have grown weary of Sen. Bernie Sanders insulting their country. Denmark is not a socialist nation, says its prime minister. It has a "market economy."

 

You're right. I was mistaken. (that didn't hurt.)

 

and they are all, farmers included to the socialist policies slavery. I have seen it with my own eyes too. Supposedly you are in Turkey. I don’t know if this is true. Supposedly a middle class or higher person in Turkey as well. I do not know if this is true,

I guess you don’t understand the term rich on paper but not in reality. When a farmer has land, is taxed heavily on that land, told what he can grow and can’t grow, how much, what animals he can have, and can’t have. It is all government, socialist regulated here, When the socialist government sets the prices, they buy it, mark it up. the farmer is bouncing off shit just to survive, the government controls every aspect of your land and what you can do with it. Expropriation of land happens, in other words taken, which the government has done from the start to my people. It was never theirs to take, This is my land, not theirs! Being native I have watched this happen, know it has happened, especially to my people, Relegated By socialist as to what is permitted under the guise of the greater good. Don’t think of yourself, Think of everyone else but you. Don’t consider this land, think of and consider people from far away lands. No! I will think of me, who I love and who the socialists have fucked up the ass. Don’t impose your laws on me and my people. Don't take what isn’t yours, don’t tax us to death, so that we slave for the socialists. I don’t owe anyone anything. Don’t tell me what I have to believe in. Don’t tell me I owe the government for the greater good. I just believe in me and my people. The government won’t take care of me, socialists won’t. It is a lie! One huge lie!

 

Finland? I'm not sure...

I'm not entirely certain... Maybe Iceland or Finland or something.

 

. No they are not, although they have a lot of socialist policies, cost of living is high. Finland is a market economy.

Personal Income Tax Rate 53.75 percent
Sales Tax Rate 24.00 percent
Social Security Rate 29.96 Percent

you are left with little after SSI and income tax is paid for socialist benefits,

Iceland is a capitalist country at its core,

interesting too is that people on the left, close to Obama , after trump won said they wanted to move to New Zealand. New Zealand is not A socialist country, they even wanted and I recall for a time, closed their door to UN dictate on immigration. I do not think they have completely opened either. They have maintained control of their borders, ignoring the UN dictate.

 

Although I believe capitalism MUST come to an end some day. Hopefully before catastrophic events take place with most or all the resources being depleted , the air, the water, the ocean and the forests taking the brunt of the systems of being converted into mere marketing items. A form of BENEVOLENT SOCIALISM that benefits those qualities I mentioned and likewise ALL people of the earth, would I think ,be the way to go. Of course most people that read this will think/say that it is impossible to have a socialist society that could/would achieve these ideas/ideals and put them into practice without taking the man given rights away from the citizens. And as it stands in the world with the present systems in place--it's obviously true. Why would those who have control of the economic and political systems throughout the world want to make changes deleterious to their own well being (as they would see it), and WANT to change those systems to benefit anyone other than themselves? Well, they wouldn't. Long term strategies are not the long suit in the controlling segments of ANY society. The control is paramount and secondary to any parameters other than the control itself and the benefits gained by such.
Benevolent changes to systems extant would have to first be made understandable to those that can/could see the difficulties that will arise with the continuing rise in human population, the efficacy with which free education would enable those with little understanding or care about the results of the present systems----to finally "get it." Free birth control for ALL the women of the world who want it---free education of the worlds population---education for education itself, not for humans to jump on some zombie treadmill for life, but to increase the chances for amazing new ideas/inventions/ways of providing for ALL sentient beings , lives of ease, contentment,empathy toward other humans/sentience------would be a start.

O f course , all that I have postulated cannot happen until much, much upheaval, chaos and blood being spilled and perhaps not even then. Yeah. Actually not ever. Humans are greedy bastards. So it has been and so it goes. Have a nice day.