Anyone been following the Heathrow (LHR) thing? Something happened...

Looks like court of appeals 'round jolly ol' London...
(Wait, do people say that? Wait. I am people.... And I say that..... hmm)
...doesn't think that a third runway is a good idea. Well, I agree! (Edit: This is my opinion. You can have your own opinion. If you want)

I have hope that this brings about wider scrutiny of our air travel habits as a Civilispeciazationies.
My family hates it but I won't fly any more. (I havn't run into a situation where I need to cross an ocean tho. Full disclosure. Trains are sweet tho, you should try them!) Now maybe other people will not fly any more. That could be helpful...

From the article:
"This judgment has exciting wider implications for keeping climate change at the heart of all planning decisions," Will Rundle, head of legal at Friends of the Earth, said in a statement. "It's time for developers and public authorities to be held to account when it comes to the climate impact of their damaging developments."

Looking forward for them to do that.


Climate activists just blocked plans to expand Heathrow, one of the world's biggest airports


Use Wisdom.
Make Decision.

 

Well I for one like the egalitarianism of more affordable air travel. Are you aware of the carbon foot print of the internet? I am not 100% certain about AGW.

 

Use the air, pay the fare.

 

Your typing style is kinda similar to mine. I don't know why but this doesn't sit well with me at all. (Nothing against you, sorry to interrupt.)

 

i have not been following this story at all, but i just want to mention that "something happened" is my favorite title for a news thread ever.

 

There are billion's of people on this heaarr Earth. No doubt there are some peeps within'it that type similar. You know?



...Now, those people being on the same weird message board? ....

 

Well. Thank you? Or.... You're welcome? I have been known to get a chuckle from my awesomeness every now and then...

And on my end....

I can't help but mention that Beautiful women in their underwear ranks right up there with my favorite things of all time. So yeah, keep it up! (or off? .... or up and off?...)




(Wait wait wait. I will keep it up, and you keep it off. Hmm. Yes that.)

 

Well, I guess climate change is in control of everything, which doesnt sit well with me.

things are now taxed in the name of climate change too, which is just bs in my opinion. It isn’t about the environment. It is about opportunists who want your hard earned money.

 

I am not trying to be sassy here, but am I understanding this correctly? You would like to have cheaper airfare, which would, IMO quite likely, increase the amount of air travel?

I did a ton of searches to try and figure this out for sure. Now, it is good to take these and other climate figures with a grain of salt, as it is a messy and difficult task to try and establish something like the Internet's total emissions.

I was trying to look only at figures from 2018 forward. Even though the figures varied widely, by 2-3 percent in some cases, the average landed somewhere around 3% of total emissions. This was true for both aviation and internet emissions.

Being someone who follows things like the original Heathrow Airport news, I, of course, know that our addiction to the internet is a problem. But so is air Travel... I guess we have a lot of problems... but that means that we should all do whatever we can to reduce the pollution we create.

I think that I would have some trouble giving up the internet, I feel all of us would here on the forums (would you not agree Bilby?). But I personally am able to give up air travel, so I do.

Here is a little bit of interesting knowledge on the subject, in case anyone was readin' :

How to Reduce Your Digital Carbon Footprint | Green New Deal

(Edit: So much messy typing...)

 

Am I right to assume that you aren't worried of the world's climate changing substantially in the next few decades?

We are already seeing more intense storms in so many places, more intense heatwaves and more intense wildfire disasters (Just look at Canada and Australia in the last year).
I personally am F'ing terrified at the possible future that we, the people of planet Earth, might have to face.

 

I am not terrified. I am in Canada. No I am not worried about climate change. Thing will happen or they won’t happen. Where do you think those taxes imposed are going? I do not believe governments cares. I do not believe the united nation cares either.

for example. There is a carbon tax that was implemented, how will this money be spent that is collected in taxes you might ask. Well Trudeau brought it in and had a climate action plan... now after the tax was implemented the government abandoned the action plan in 2018. In Ontario, The Government of Canada (Trudeau) has committed to return all direct proceeds collected in Ontario, under the federal carbon pollution pricing backstop system through direct payments to families and investments, save money, and create jobs. In Ontario, the federal government will return the proceeds as follows:

now, we already have taxes for schools, hospitals, small businesses, colleges and universities, non profits and indigenous people. In Canada they are aboriginal, not indigenous. Indigenous communities has a broader meaning in Canada and it is not about native people in Canada. So you tell me this isn’t about money and how the government takes and takes, abuses out taxes and then brings in another tax to abuse.

I suggest you look into where your tax for climate change is being spent too.

To add, in Ontario, Canadians will spend more than 1.45 billion on this tax, the feds will keep their share, which will disappear,

 

See how much area is was going to take up. Not a mystery why it was blocked..

 

Heathrow airport was sold under Margaret thatcher. It use to be owned by the state, by the people. It was a crown corporation. It is now owned by a Spanish holding company and they charge a landing fee. Now they want to expand their airport but there is other things in the area, Anyways, getting another landing strip will mean big money for the airport in landing fees, spots and the astronomical price airlines pay for those spots. We are talking 75 million dollars for a spot at Heathrow, So the government wants a bigger piece of the pie. Solution, climate change tax. Now an airline on a flight makes profit about ten pounds per person, The rest goes to employees, taxes, etc.. so now in comes climate change tax which will be taken from airlines even more. Will not effect the airport, but will cripple airlines and prevent travel. Don’t invest in any airline.

 

@Beach Ball Lady Balls

I live in Vancouver. And I am terrified. Not just for me, but for everyone everywhere. The world is going to change and we might not feel it for a while, as we sit in the Golden Palace of Wealth that is Canada. But for so, so many people, their homes are going to be unlivable, and they are going to need help. Not only are we so very lucky here in Canada for the wealth and comforts we enjoy, but also so very very lucky we are for our high latitude. Up here all the biggest and most destructive storms will barely touch us. I never take that for granted.

And you are upset at failed economic schemes that are trying to help the process? Who cares about a it of tax money. Our civilization is at risk. Have you checked the Doomsday clock lately? (Current Time - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists)

What I am trying to say is that, politics aside, we should all be doing what we can to reduce our personal emissions. Escpecially if you are from Canada or another ultra-rich country with unmatched consumption per capita.

I would beseech you to focus less on the little problems, and try to look at the bigger picture.

 

@Orison

Thank you for the graphics!

 

LOL if you think we are ultra rich you are sorely mistaken. I do not care about global warming anymore. Yes it is the responsibility of each individual to decide what they will do, and not for the government to abuse the funds and tax us more when they never had any intentions of addressing the issue. That is a major issue. No one is forcing the government or inquiring into how the government plans on using the tax they added on, or where that money is going. I am focusing on the big problem, and not the small problem. You on the other hand are not looking at the big picture and are focusing on a very small one.

As for our civilization being at risk, it always has been. the government, especially liberals here in Canada, use the peoples sympathies and worries for votes, increase and add taxes, making it harder to live, while lining the pockets of the UN and their own pockets for doing shit. If they were truly honest they would totally nix the carbon tax, since it is not being used for what they claimed it was for. We accepted it for the good they led us to believe it would do. Well, you call it a scheme, and a scheme it what it was and is.

a large-scale systematic plan or arrangement for attaining some particular object or putting a particular idea into effect.

Now that idea has not been put into effect, nor is it going to be, nor did they ever intend it to be. So, the tax should be scrapped. A ponzi scheme is a scheme too, it doesn't mean I am going to give my fucking money into it. But, in canada, we have no choice. Our rights in Canada do not exist, we just believe they do. We are not free.

The law on carbon tax, also known as the Carbon Pricing Act, was passed on 20 March 2018 along with the action plan. This Action plan was scrubbed as soon as the tax law was approved. We all fell for the scheme, which pisses me off, and it should you as well.

carbon tax began at $20 in 2017, rose to $30 a ton in 2018 after the pricing act was passed. If a government says they are going to do something, and charge us, the people for it, they should damn well be held accountable. If they are not doing what they say, all monies should be returned to those who paid financially for it, Not to those who never paid financially for it. The fact is, with the government money talks. take that money away and they might just listen to the people. I fully admit Canadians simply accept it, when I don't think it should be accepted. I am just one voice.

 

All airports charge a landing fee. Ten years ago I flew to London Heathrow. The return ticket price was around $1800. Around $600 was in taxes Virgin Atlantic was only getting around $1200.

 

yes true, and that was a return ticket, no? Both ways? So the airline has to pay to land ontop of that, at both airports, supply food and drinks, depending on the class, but they have to give you water and have to give you food depending on the length of the flight and the time. Then they have to pay for fuel, maintenance and staff. In the end, on average they make 10 dollars per person. The taxes take away from profits they use to make, the carbon tax takes more in profits. It is why flights are now adding seats and people are crammed in tighter. they don’t have the money for a new fleet, so they maintain their planes as best they can on old planes.

 

It was a return ticket. This time last year I was in the UK.The ticket this time was Aus $1210. Ironically the oil crisis put an impetus on plane and engine manufacturers to come up with more fuel efficient planes.

 

Barack Obama just bought a 5-million dollar mansion on the coast in response to global warming.