Everything Collective-Unconscious Discussion Thread!

You can say that to the monkey , to a tree, to a rock, to the sky, you can call it Blue, black white, red, it won't mean anything . It only means something to you, when you are in this state, it works amongst humans, its a made up thing that has got nothing to do with existence and it only works between humans, its an 'idea' that is so deeply conditioned its become so real to humans. Like humans work like this, Condition 2 babies differently, teach a baby that sky is blue, and the other, sky is red and raise them that way, then make them meet. They are looking at the sky and enjoying it then suddenly the first boy says, How beautiful is the blue sky, The second boys 'conditioning' gets triggered, what blue? its red , Sky is red, not blue. first boy, No its not red you ******* Its blue. Second boy, no my mom said its red, First, Your mom is nuts, crazy, Second, did you just call my mom crazy, your whole family is ****, then they start fighting with each other and in the end they kill each other, Thats what goes on , on this planet, like its been going on since the dawn of time, the same thing, over nd over and over again on repeat. They don't realize, Red and blue don't exist, its just concepts.

 

Its the same universe, Everything in X is X, everything in existence is existence, its not even separate for 1+1 to be 2, two things need to be separate from each other for that statement to be true, and existence is non dual if you look deeply at it , its a scientific fact that its al one single vibrating field of energy, the whole existence, is existence and its one, that cannot be separated. its the 'ideas ' that makes you feel that way, its not real. When you let go off all thoughts and concepts and all, you feel everything is one . Even if you can 'see' instead of thinking, just look around, do you see anything that is separate from anything? When you see an apple, how do you know its an apple, you are not seeing, you are 'thinking' , humans are 'blind' they cannot see anymore. You cannot exist as something separate from everything.
When you read this word 'ENGLISH' , You automatically think it, instead of 'see' it. thousands and thousands of layers of conditioned thoughts and concepts blocking your perception, you cannot exist if you are separate, there is no such thing as 1 and another 1 for 2 to exist, Everything is 1. concepts makes you feel things are actually different and separate from each other when in reality its not. Even tho it appears that way, a baby doesnt feel itself any separate from existence, a baby has no conditioning a baby feels one with the universe, thats why babies point at different things and say 'DA' 'DA' 'DA' its all the same to them, The DAO, tao of existence. a baby is one with the universe a baby can feel dimensions you cannot begin to imagine, the things babies can see. because they don't have dualistic concepts installed in them. only these concepts makes you feel things are really separate from each other when they are not. everything is one , on an energy level, even tho concepts of the mind paints it this way.

 

I watched this video.
The best way to describe my understanding of it.

 

Hahahahha, *hugs*

You know what my problem is, I've a really really really really hard time trying to 'express' the things i feel, because language is based on duality. All forms of expressions are based on duality. So it comes out as bullshit. no matter how hard i try. Like when i say things people think its contradictory, but its not contradictory, zero and infinity is the same.. Even tho it sounds contradictory. i'm like.. i just feel like saying 'blahblahblahblahblah' the things i have to say to rewire the pathways in a human brain for it to 'click' , the things i'm saying is meaningless and i know it, But I've to play this game.

 

I'm young, I just started feeling these things when i was a little kid. My life is kinda crazy, They think i'm crazy. The things they did to me, Lol. You have no idea. anti depressants and anti psychotics, just because i was just a bit different, they couldn't take it, I'm 100% anti social right now, like i don't talk to people, at all. And i cannot be with anybody, cause whatever i say, gets me into trouble. People don't like when you disagree with them.

 

Thats why i made this thread, so that, people realize, its not crazy. This is a phenomenon that is happening on this planet right now, its happening mostly to 'young people' and just forgive the people in the video for using old school language, But feeling the feeling behind the words instead of just listening to the words can help. But its an ongoing issue on this planet nobody is aware of, So i will post the ted talk. i think more people should become aware of this. So i created this thread.

 

Do you think that all the anti-psychotic and anti-depressants accelerated your mental capacity and coupling an uncertain anti social lifestyle, breaking through barriers to thinking outside the box as you do?

 

Why are people afraid of this stuff? They are both incredibly difficult reads.

I disagree with the presentation of this passage. Freud did studies on himself, which is one of the knocks on him by academics as treating his work as scientific. His profession was primarily to treat people with neurosis, so psychoanalysis makes sense.

Based on the description, psycheanalysis basically just sounds like another word for philosopher.

I think the fact Freud placed such a heavy emphasis on sex makes his work a bit more distasteful to people in comparison to Jung. But I mean with rampant porn today, sex sold in advertising, etc. I see some sort of vindication in Freud's work.

That being said, archetypes and the collective unconscious are more the realm of Jung. I find these topics quite abstract as they relate to psychology. Generally they are easier to understand in the context of myths, books and movies.

Interesting bit on Jung...

 

No i was very sensitive before that, It blocked my perception. Made my brain go all numb. i'm like in a lesser state of consciousness now, i was in a higher state before that. But it taught me a lot of things, gave me life experiences that was needed for me. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Its only because i was in isolation i had to time to conceptualize these things. i had nothing to do but to work on all this. my mind. when you are at your lowest point, you are open to the greatest change. i was not willing to accept these things as a kid even tho i used to go into altered states of consciousness. But now i totally accept it, And if they had not tortured me, I'd not have gone into isolation and if i had not gone into isolation i'd have held onto stupid concepts that i find comfortable with , the comfort zone, like other people and never jumped into my mind and accept it.

 

it takes a great deal of 'craziness' in a way, to be able to 'reject' your whole material perception. only if you are brave and willing enough to let go off al the concepts that gives you a false sense of security and safety and sanity, you will be able to go into proper altered states of consciousness. Otherwise your brain would explode. there is a filter system in the brain called the reticular activating system, its function is to 'block out' all the things you don't agree with, if you process all that , you are not ready to process, your brain will literally explode, i will link a scientific video that explains that filter, but its very lightweight video, simple words, simple explanation, but yeah.

 

Its for people that don't have deep knowledge in quantum/particle physics, its stuffs said in a way every body can understand, even the most simple people. This talks reality from the point of view /perspective of brain, and not from the other side ( consciousness) But its the same thing

 

And for people that thinks they know everything, a little bit of fact that they can handle. You are not even aware of 1% of your mind, let alone the things around. People don't even understand themselves even 1%. thats the reason they can't understand these things. I'm not even aware of 1% of reality, and i CAN accept it, its a fact. Even after understanding these things, I've not even felt 1% of reality and i know that. And these people think the know, Everything, no wonder planet is dying. so its a really simple thing to understand because, try to stop your thoughts, just say stop, it must stop without any effort, you can keep on trying to block it with more thoughts like stop stop stop , its not stopping.. if you are in a higher state of consciousness you will be able to do it, you will be more '
aware' of yourself, of more layers of your mind, all these thoughts and concepts that goes on in hundreds of thousands of layers of mind. People think they are 'awake' but no, i see them as dreaming, if a person can just relax in a chair a bit, really relax, they can feel al this craziness that is going on in the deeper layers of the mind, they are dreaming right now in the dreaming state of consciousness, all layers of mind exists simultaneously , you exists in all states across all states in all dimensions of the mind, people are dreaming right now and thinking they are awake, thats why they do stupid things. they have absolutely no control over their archetypes because they are not even willing to accept that they are not even 1% in control.. if a sick person dont want to accept he is sick he wont take medicine do anything to make it better to make things better, in a way , whole humanity is sick, so the planet is dying. if a person thinks he is in control, he can try to say to his mind to still itself, atleast for 1 minute, and be 100% relaxed and aware at the same time, and then they can decide for themselves how much they know about themselves , let alone other things. I've gone into altered states of consciousness tons of times, and i'm not even 1% enlightened, and i have no shame in admitting that, people have weird ideas about enlightenment. its the super conscious state when you are 100% aware of your whole mind, every single layer of it, fully conscious. And i'm not even 1% conscious of it. I feel things, other dimensions of the mind. but i'm nowhere near evolved as a Buddha, not even an ant compared to his level of consciousness.

"Archetypes: A Doorway to Behavioral Change

Emmanuel Donchin, Professor of Cognitive Psychophysiology at the University of South Florida, said:

“An enormous portion of cognitive activity [actions, emotions, behavior, and decisions] is non-conscious, figuratively speaking, it could be 99 percent.”

Although we don’t like to admit it, as a whole, human beings are mostly unconscious.
We remain unaware of our real motivations—what drives our actions, emotions, behavior, and decisions.
We are also unconscious to the emotions expressing themselves behind the social masks we each present to each other.
Most of the methods we use to change our behavior—from neuro-linguistic programming to cognitive behavioral therapy—have limited results.
They affect change of certain behaviors under certain conditions. But remove those conditions, and they always fail us.
These methods fail because they rely on the premise we can train the unconscious.
The belief is we can condition these primal forces to obey our conscious will.
We do not take into account the complexity of the human psyche and the persistent nature of these archetypes.
How Psychological Archetypes Dominate Our Behavior
Let’s say you’re addicted to eating junk food.
You manage okay during the day, but when you’re home in the evening, the impulse to consume salty snacks gets triggered.
We assume this is a battle of willpower: our base desires of our animal brain against our higher self or cerebral cortex.
But we don’t appreciate why this impulse gets triggered.
When you know about archetypes, you can train yourself to listen to their voices.
If you do, you may learn why these impulses occur.
A voice, for example, might say you’re pathetic, worthless, a loser. It might suggest you have no reason to live.
Now, we don’t hear these voices for two reasons.
First, we don’t know how to listen to them. Second, they are often unpleasant, and they make us feel bad.
And so our mind represses the voice. Instead of feeling depressed, we seek to elevate ourselves, to feel good.
We instantly crave a dopamine kick. The impulse to consume salty snacks, in this case, gets triggered.
Only when we can hear the voice of these archetypes and learn to dialogue with them, can we get to the problem’s source.
In this example, a part that feels like a pathetic loser.
Everyone battles with impulse control in one form or another. Addictive behavior is an area of tension for almost everyone.
We invest lots of energy trying to exert our willpower, restricting ourselves, or feeling ashamed of our weaknesses.
We work to establish better habits, improve ourselves, and achieve peak performance.
But ultimately, what undermines are conscious intention to be a better person are the archetypal forces within us.
We can save a lot of time and unnecessary anguish by addressing the issue at the source."


its time people started becoming aware of these things, planet needs that. otherwise it willl get destroyed 100%
Your mind is like an onion all layer exist simultaneously , you exist in all layers at the same time, you are the whole thing. but most people are not even aware they have different layers of mind.

 

Whatever you can feel, Is your mind, Automatically. You can only feel yourself . Reality is your perception. Everything is you. When you love something, you feel love. When you choose to be angry, you feel anger, when you hate, You feel hate. its all happening within. even the things you touch, you are touching your own self, and 99% people are not aware, what they touch and smell and taste and hear and see is themselves. When you are typing in the keyboard are you feeling the keys or are you feeling your own skin? When you look at someone, what do you see? You see yourself in their eyes. Its very obvious and so simple that you are the whole universe, and its your mind, and everything is your mind, and its all happening within, Its even BASIC BIOLOGY, Who is aware? I've never seen a single person in my life around me thats aware of these basic facts of life. And they live like they know everything.

 

"The Key to Archetypal Psychology - We use the mind to get to know what’s inside the mind. And archetypes are inside the mind. Can you see why it’s challenging to work with archetypes? Only the Self—your psychic center—can organize the mind. And yet, the Self is often unavailable because archetypes command our attention. Taoist and Buddhist psychology explain the situation with the concept of the host and guests in a house. The house represents the psyche. The guests are the pantheon of archetypes within this house. These guests are mostly ill-mannered. They are often nasty to each other; they don’t play well together. The host’s job is to establish order and harmony within the household. The problem is that, for most of us, there’s no host to keep order. We need the host (Self) to bring order to our psyche. This host doesn’t have feelings; it doesn’t judge or evaluate. The host is clear, neutral, and empty. It’s unaffected by the thoughts and feelings of the guests. So before you engage in any psychological work, especially archetypal psychology, it’s important to ground yourself and find your center. If you enter a state of mastery first, you can navigate through the characters in your mind. If you don’t, the guests remain in control of your house."

The 'self' they are talking about here, Carl jung talked about, is the Witnessing consciousness that is you , that is aware of your the world that is projected through your body, the sensations of the body, the emotions, thoughts and feelings and archetypes(other personalities) of the mind, you are watching all that, otherwise how can you be aware? For you to be aware of Change, You must be Changeless, eternal timeless ageless thingy. Thats what you are, Consciousness, always remaning the same, every single cell of your body has died and reborn tons of times, every 7 year the whole body gets renewed reborn every single cell, so you cannot be it, you cannot be the body, and your mind, it changes faster than the body, you wouldn't even recognize if you see your childhood mind if you can look at that now, in the morning your mind is this way, then in the evening its another way, it changes faster than the body, WhO is aware of these changes, for you to be aware of change, you must be changeless, its Common sense, not rocket science, its so simple, everybody misses it. YOu are, Consciousness. And only if people realize this, they will be able to organize their mind.

 

And a really funny thing happens, when it clicks that 'you are consciousness' the thing is.. Now you can say, this is that, that is that, you can divide things, 10 cats, 50 boxes of icecream, my house, your house, But you won't be able to divide' Consciousness' Consciousness is Not a 'thing' for you to divide. How can you divide consciousness, its more like a quality that makes everything conscious. And everything is scientifically proven to be a crystallization of consciousness, Consciousness creates reality, and So everything is consciousness. how can you divide it? There is no such thing as Your consciousness and my consciousness, maybe you can say in this state, when that ocean of consciousness crystallizes itself into these wave forms and becomes aware of itself, when it 'looks through' the mind its contents its identity all the things in it and body it feels as if its 'separate' from the 'other things' like a waves and ocean, that this is your mind and this is mine, but whats being conscious of it is the same consciousness. its not a thing for you to divide. Waves rises above the ocean and looks around and sees other waves and thinks its separate from everything. it creates concepts of duality and live by that, but sooner or later, Some wave gets so sick and tired of this nonsese of people fighting and hurting and killing each other in the name of duality, without realizing they are the same universe, A wave runs away, and goes within itself and the moment it goes within itself takes that quantum leap, jumps into itself its mind, it realizes that, it was NEVER the wave, it was the whole ocean all along, and all other waves is it. Everything is One, X, and only X is, you can choose what to call it, Reality/Cosmos/God/Universe i don't care. But Everything is it, Oneness. We are all the same.. Why fight? why kill? Why hate? When we can love each other? and be happy together? We are the universe, being aware of itself. The consciousness that typed this messages is the same consciousness that is reading this. There is no difference ultimately. we are all extensions of the same universe, we are not something separate from it, we cannot exist that way. Everything in the cosmos is automatically cosmos itself.. its Common sense. And its unbelievable that in this time period, When i look around, i think people are so lost, they don't even have common sense. Its time it changed.

 

Neato! WOWZA!

 

I wouldn’t doubt that he talked the same way he wrote

 

I thought it meant enlightened one.

Anyway, interesting thread. Most of it goes over my head tho my step dad is a psychologist. I used to think mental health was kind of voodoo until he came into my life. Oh, have you seen the show United States of Tara?

 

Same difference.


I was watching the Poughkeepsie Tapes last night and was wondering what type of mindset does it takes to torture and kill to such a degree. And to gain pleasure from it. Such acts go beyond what is considered normal functioning so such people get labeled as "evil, inhuman." One woman in the video was a typical teenager who was captured and spent years of being tortured and sexually assaulted then later released. Her mindset was never the same. She was so use to experiencing pain everyday that she would often inflicted it upon herself. Didn't even seem happy to be home with her family again. She killed herself shortly after. Which got me curious about the mindset of one who has experienced extreme amounts of torture by another human being. Imagine the mindset of her parents to get her back after not knowing whether their daughter was dead or alive only to have her take her own life. It also got me reflecting back during my teenage years when i was messed up and how my life could have gone down a darker path. I'm sure many can relate. You see, right now i can't even imagine wanting to cause someone else that much pain but when i was younger i can.