Christian Intolerance

You obviously know little about christian history. They have slaughtered far, far, far more in their name than Islam.

 

can you provide some comprehensive data comparing the two?

 

I suggest you take on the study of memes. The why and how certain ideas spread through our society. Take a look back on history, you can see that christianity has spread very very aggressivly, and it includes eternal damnation, pain, and suffering to all those who don't comply. It is a wonderful formula for a widespread and lasting meme.

You can't compare the fear of getting fat or unhelathy to the fear of burining in the fires of hell for all eternity. But your mention of this gives me a good point to make. Maybe if there was more damnation for eating unhealthy the meme would be as widespread as christianity. So we can see how fear plays a role, and an aggressive role, in our ideals. In an area where the consequences are not so grave (like overeating and bad diet) there are fewer members to the meme than to one that promises eternal pain and suffering after death.

Not that the religious meme spreads only by fear; it also promises rewards to those who follow. It is not hard to see why the idea has stuck with our society for so long. But with such an aggressive idea there is not much of a chance for a person to avoid confrontations with christians at some point in their life, which was what I was trying to explain to the original poster in the thread.

 

Are you kidding me? The christians swept across Eurpoe for centuries slaughtering msulims and pagans and anyone who would not conform. Christians whiped out native populations in the South America's during Colombus' time. They've burned witches at the stake, beaten african-americans to death, bombed buildings with daycare centers, Catholic preists were even sentanced for involvement in the Rowanda genocide.

http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/victims.html

 

I just care to see the numbers, there are no numbers on deaths caused by muslims that i've seen. Maybe its cause no one cares or maybe its because its impossible to know. Christian's documented everything a lot better than muslims have the past 700 years.

And please dont pretend as if muslims didnt force people to convert or face death.

Also, your thread posts the crusades. I take it the person who compiled that list has never read about the crusades. Most were caused when muslims sacked a city. But yes, thats just christians killing muslims.

 

In my original post that I mention specifically that the Muslim and Christians religions are similarly aggressive. And the link I posted did not just include the crusades. And if you think the crusades were justified than YOU need to study your history better.

 

excuse me? Many of the crusades were started by muslims sacking cities! You probably lump all the crusades into one giant thing. They are NOT. They are all different. There were 9 major crusades between the 11th and 13th century.

Did you study YOUR history?

 

The Bible unlike other religions speaks about the end times in detail which includes Israel, America, Russia, Europe, ect. The Bible tells us the truth about the future and God. Christians see this and understand what is going to happen to this world. Other religions do not have this kind of detailed knowledge, and these people are unaware of what is going to soon come upon this earth, because they are not following the truth. The Jews are back in Israel, and Jerusalem East gate is sealed. These are just a couple of the many signs that would signal the second coming of Jesus Christ. Of coarse the other religions are not going to warn you of anything, because they don't know anything.

 

Sera Michele, will you ever stop your Christian bashing. Jesus said real Christians do not murder. Those who murder in the name of Christ are Christian in name only.

 

Where do you get that I am lumping them together?

As for Muslims sacking cities, the Muslims were trying to take back cities they lost during the christian crusades. Muslim attacks may started the second crusade and seventh, but they were trying to regain lost land.

Here is a simple timeline:

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blchron_xian_crusades.htm


The crusades were completely of christian doing. Muslims (and pretty much anything rivaling christianity) were the victims.

 

Crusaders were Christian in name only. They valued land over people. With Christ, it is human beings that have value.

 

I'm talking about the history of the religion here, not who you think were real christians or not.

 

Excuse me? Please cite a source that is atleast a little unbias.

Remember, the seljuk turks were pushing towards constantinople and had been since 1071 when they won the battle of manzikert. The first crusade was a DEFENSE.

You forget that the third crusade was to take back jerusalem. The kingdom of jerusalem was setup during the first crusade. Saladin "recaptured it." The christians took it back.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

http://www.ku.edu/kansas/medieval/108/lectures/first_crusade.html

No one is saying that the christians didnt do anything wrong, but this BS about how the crusades was all christians fault is absolute BS. It is historically inaccurate. Both sides played roles in causing the crusades.

 

about.com is bias?

 

it started with atheism.about.com. IF thats not an atheist site excuse me.

However, the first crusade was to defend the empire.

 

Many of the atrocities committed by the crusaders on their campaigns already happened before entering Muslim territory, especially Christian eastern Europe had its women raped and cities plundered for supplies.

 

They were absolutely BRUTAL to jews and "heretics."

I'm not defending them as nice people. But it is historically inaccurate to say that all the crusades were caused by them.

 

This is crazy! I am a Christian, and in my opinion Chrisitanity is about love and acceptance. I am a Christian and I know that I have no right to judge, only God can judge. And here you guys are judging the Christians. Well, for everyone who has been mislead by imperfect Christians (all Christians), I would just like to say that Christianity is supposed to be about loving our neighbors, accepting them for who they are, and not placing judgement upon them.

So take all your judgements and shove em.

Peace and Love

 

I never made any comments as to the fear of getting fat. As everyone is aware, an unhealthy diet and lack of exercise can lead to death. Medical experts can stress this fact until they are blue in the face, yet hundreds of people die from heart related diseases every year. There is a waging war against nicotine in this world. Interestingly enough, it has been reported that half of those who endure heart complications due to smoking continue to smoke regardless of what they know the outcome to be (cancer, death). Medical reports have repeatedlystated that by quitting smoking, your health will improve. Even with that fear in mind, many people continue to light up. It is both unfair and untrue to claim that all people of faith only believe because they are frightened of possible outcomes at the end.

You place too much emphasis on Christianity in relation to fear. I am sorry that you yourself have had such a bad experience with those who seemed to merely claim they were Christian but lacked any real faith.

 

Well, as I posted earlier, "while most of us will know someone who's had a heart attack, or has had cancer, there are also people who can eat whatever they want and never get heart trouble, and people who smoke all their lives and live to be 95." Christianity makes people believe that *all* those who commit sins bad enough go to hell, but people can easily make themselves believe they're going to be among the lucky ones when their health is concerned, because that *does* happen and we've seen, literally, living proof of it.

Where do you get the 'all people' from? I never said that and neither did Sera Michelle; she even said "In an area where the consequences are not so grave (like overeating and bad diet) there are fewer members to the meme than to one that promises eternal pain and suffering after death." As in, fewer members, not none.

Are you saying those who preach about hell all the time aren't real Christians? I'm glad to hear you do not support that, but as long as they claim to do so out name of Christianity, that's what I will have to go by... That's always a good way to stop any argument though; yes, it's done, but those who do aren't really part of us... But they claim to be a part, even claim various titles like Reverend.