Gun ownership itself is a slight mental illness

Suicide by apathy? Courageous?

Geared toward dominance is deplorable.

Geared toward defense of domination is commendable.

 

It isn't suicide by apathy. Suicide by apathy would be collecting weapons. It's the opposite of apathy. It's laying down your arms, despite whatever consequences, in order to set a good example.

 

Be a good sheep and fall victim to the wolves. As they rip open your abdominal cavity you can declare, through screams of pain, "we die for peace, follow our good example".

 

This is classic cognitive dissonance. I said people have a right to own a gun for home protection. This is your second pathetic attempt to try to spin that statement as my endorsement of the idea that ease of access to guns is beneficial in tackling crime. Keep going. I look forward to exposing your bullshit.

 

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No these are just more questions you seem unable or unwilling to answer – why is that?

TO REPEAT

So you don’t think people should get guns for defence and never have done?

That you think that guns have no benefit toward tackling crime?

 

It's not the guns. It is the murderous attitude of American culture. sweeping all the guns away is a quick simplistic solution that leaves the main issue untouched while damages freedom. In oppressive countries there is no such thing like private gun ownership, that's strictly a free man thing. Then if you say that background checks are needed I agree with that, giving a rifle to someone who is batshit insane or with a criminal resume of violent offences is irresponsible.
Taking all the guns away instead reeks of fascism like hell. Mass murderers will switch to IEDs, vehicular rampages or aggressive chemicals. And a chunk of freedom will be gone for good, another one, maybe not the most appealing of the bunch but STILL FREEDOM, GODDAMMIT.

(And beside that we understand that you Americans already have a bunch of armed to the teeth thugs and psychos at loose no one attempts to stop, your police forces.
Was reading an essay written in the thirties and surprisingly american police was already known abroad for (literal quotation) its unbelievably brutal conduct and the one saying that was Antonio Gramsci, a politician who had to deal until his death with the original fascists and their gentle ways. So go figure.
If I ever came to the US (which I totally exclude, an interview, ssly? FU) my concern wouldn't be mass shooters, terrorists or even street gangs. It is the police that is terrifying. You will take the lead AND the blame)

 

That's exactly what I'm saying.

 

I said that people have a right to own a gun for home defense. Your response to that is to ask me whether or not I think people should get guns for defense. Get much sleep, Balbus?

 

You're pretending that @Balbus is off base, but I think it's because you want to discredit the username so that others will not see his posts as clearly. It isn't going to work. @Balbus has more credibility and integrity than 99% of the people on the internet; and I'm not just making this up.

@Henderson, I feel like you're doing more to detract from other people's posts than your are doing to foster your own argument. It's interesting to me that you're so fanatical about the second amendment. To me it's just a distant memory from a lesson in elementary school. You might do well to reconsider your approaches.

Today I saw a dude who had a full size American flag on his pickup and I couldn't help but feel a little bit sorry for the guy. Let me start by saying most people would be embarrassed to challenge the norm/status quo. I think normally, if you're feeling particularly patriotic you might pick up a small american flag sticker for your automobile. Some even put up small flags; the kind you roll up in your passenger side window or something.

But some people go to extremes about their political views. They capitalize on divisiveness and for whatever reason try to slap others in the face with some perverse version of patriotic pride. It's my feeling that these positions on the second amendment, and also patriotism, nationalism, or isolationism & xenophobia, are all wrapped into one.

Sometimes I feel like racism has guided people into their political positions rather than education or forethought. Are you racist?

 

Hahaha big O!

Law abiding citizens would (if required by law). Criminals, thugs, gang members, etc wouldn't of course.

And it's the second category we want to get them out of the hands of.

So again, prohibition won't work. Hence the old adage: "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Then we could add "the war against guns" to "the war against drugs". I think we know how that goes.

 

As another observer, I feel that characterization is unfair. Granted, the bantering is a bit ad-nauseum but it's both sides that repeat the same accusations. And your post takes one side over the other while almost pretending to be neutral.
Also, I find it presumptuous when someone assumes to know what another person is thinking when doing or saying something.

 

The Second Amendment should be repealed and any gun owner who refuses to comply with gun-surrender regulations should be designated a domestic terrorist. The NRA is a domestic terror organization, according to the State of California..

 

We can go door to door and house to house and confiscate all guns. Gun owners who resist should be designated as domestic terrorists and prosecuted.

 

That seems a little extreme. People have to give up their guns of their own accord. We need a change of heart, not a change of the Constitution.

 

I like what you say; however, last night the topic of discussion on MSNBC was just that … about the gun owners who refuse to comply with new laws. Gun owners often say they will resist and turn their weapons on other Americans. In the past, we have passed new laws, like a ban on fully automatic machine guns. So, if congress passes new laws, I say let's go after the non-compliant scum. They are likely the very same white nationalists who enjoy shooting at people in the mall.

 

As fast as new gun sales, if all sales are required to go through a licensed seller anyways, the seller could register the new owner much in the way car dealerships take care of some of the more tedious aspects of buying a car.

I think it would be reasonable to grandfather in heirlooms and guns produced before a certain date, collectable items, etc so they didnt have to go through the same process

Well to be fair I wasnt really seriously suggesting it, I did say I didnt think it would fly in the US. But personally speaking I really like the idea. It works well other countries. Irminsul has said in this thread that she's subject to random inspections in Germany.

The US would have to create a specific division of law enforcement with jurisdiction only over gun storage inspection. And it's not like they would be allowed to search your house. They would be allowed only to inspect the storage container, and then write a ticket if the gun wasnt where it was supposed to be. They wouldnt be allowed to go looking for the gun if it wasnt stored correctly.

Much of this part of your post is a slippery slope fallacy and I also dont think this has a chance of ever happening in the US anyways so there isnt a point in delving too deeply into it..but it might be worth you looking up how it works in other countries, for the sake of learning more about it (Australia is another country that has strict storage requirements and inspections if you want to start there).

As far as education..thousands of kids are shot by unsecured guns a year, I dont think the current education campaigns are effective

 

We're already there with new sales; they have to go through a licenced dealer and all purchasers are subject to the federal background check.

I, for one, don't want to be modeling my country after any other. We're a unique country founded on unique principles from people escaping other countries in search of freedom. Besides, evidently the restrictions in the countries you mentioned aren't exactly effective as they've had mass shootings and terrorist attacks. And I expect they probably are more diligent about identifying/treating/confining their mentally ill, but I'm just guessing/hoping.

As to "thousands of kids are shot by unsecured guns a year", I believe you've been misled. An article in USA Today has the number pinned at a tiny fraction of that.

A toddler found a handgun and fatally shot himself. His case is one of at least 73 accidental child deaths involving a gun in 2018

It's still tragic, but it's hardly on the scale of an epidemic. Sensible people shouldn't have to pay the price of stupid people. Jail those fuckers for at least manslaughter and make a public example humiliating them in the media! Hard to imagine an education effort more effective than that. I hear about kids being left in cars to die of heat way more than kids finding guns and killing. In fact I can remember only one case of a kid finding a gun and killing making the news in the last few years, and I watch the news every day! Lots of cases of kids being left to die in cars are reported every year. And it's totally mind-boggling how anyone could possibly forget their child in the car! WTF?