White non-muslim women wearing the Hijab?

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"the koran says mohammed is someone of sublime morality , a beautiful pattern a example an exalted standard of character"

yes this is indeed true....Prophet Muhammed (SAW) is our role model..the best example..and an exalted standard character. He was actually a superhero for his unimpeachable character a man who could settle the arguments and disputes between tribes ,unite them together and raise them out of the lethargy and low level of tribal stagnation up to the high.
It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of Mohammed scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in good that made him succeed
He was the most faithful protector of those he protected, the sweetest and most agreeable in conversation. Those who saw him were suddenly filled with reverence; those who came near him loved him; they who described him would say, "I have never seen his like either before or after." He was of great taciturnity, but when he spoke it was with emphasis and deliberation, and no one could forget what he said. So great was his liberality to the poor that he often left his household unprovided, nor did he content himself with relieving their wants, he entered into conversation with them, and expressed a warm sympathy for their sufferings. He was a firm friend and a faithful ally. One of the most features of Mohammed's mission was adoption of freedom especially freedom of religions he guaranteed by the Qur'an,The legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.Mohammed was telling his followers during conquers and wars to respect all crops and cattle and non-combatants and not to kill chaplains not to force peoples to get in Islam and not to punish even rulers who transgressed the sacred law. The world is as it is today regarding the wars,starvation,killing,raping because no one is welling to lead and guide the world to the site where it’s benefits,happiness and justice as Mohammed did. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness. (and of course ignorant and bias pple would think likewise..)

"we have a problem either its ok for 54 year old men to marry 6 year olds and thats not just 1400 years ago thats today because the koran says mohammed is a beautiful pattern that hes someone of sublime morality hes an example"

Jonny2mad pls read the followin quote closely..

"O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses-whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (mathernal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her- a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hand possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Surah 33 Al-Ahzab Verse 50

"it doesnt say this is a one off thing that its ok for mohammed to marry 6 year olds or keep and make people slaves which he also did and then at a certain period of time we shouldnt follow his sublime example"

that quote from Quran Surah 33 Al-Ahab Verse 50 should have answered ur question. It clearly indicates that these are meant for Prophet Muhammed (SAW) ALONE...My previous posts abt why Prophet (SAW) married Aisha (R) should have made it clear to u that there are REASONS why the marriage took place....there are so many things that Prophet has taught us...from leadership..to managin a household..to showin love to our children..i can go on..but u of all these must give an example which is just meant for the Prophet alone and of course u will never be able to think of any other examples cos they would surely be against ur claim..and i am very sure of this..and the verse i have quoted above clearly proves my point....so wat have u got to say...?

anyway u also said...
"because mohammed made it a rule that his former wives were not allowed to remarry she lived the rest of her life alone"

u are ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!! it was not the Prophet who made it a rule but ALLAH!!

"O you who believe!Enter not the Prophet's houses, unless permission is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy (of telling you) the truth. And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen: that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allah's Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after (his death). Verily, with Allah that shall be an enormity."

Surah 33 Al-Ahab verse 53

its clear enuff as u can see for urself that it is ALLAH'S WILL that Prophet Muhammed's (SAW) wives remain unmarried after the Prophet's(SAW) death. IT'S NOT THE PROPHET'S (SAW) RULE.

i hope from this itself u understand how much u know abt islam...and if u still want to critise it based on all your MISCONCEPTIONS...please go ahead but please know wat u are talkin abt..with the Quran and the hadeeth i can never have a better guide....so please go on... i would love to prove u wrong...=)

 

Article by Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)

Islam today is one the most misunderstood phenomena. Unfortunately people are looking at Muslims by some incidents which we are going through in the world today, which are supposed to be a reflection of Islam. THEY ARE NOT A REFLECTION OF ISLAM. THEY ARE A REFLECTION OF BADLY MISBEHAVING MUSLIMS. That is the problem which is besettling the Muslim community.

There are of course very good elements and good practising Muslims but these are not normally seen. It is usually the bad and the most sensational elements which are shown on the television and in the media. The way to solve this is for someone not to look at the Muslim but to look at Islam. It would be wrong for someone to judge a car being a bad car of the driver of the car was drunk and he crushed into a fence. Do you say "That car is bad" ? It has nothing to do with the car. It is to do with the driver.

Islam is to guide all human beings in their daily lives, in their spiritual, mental and physical dimensions.But we must find the source of this instruction which is,firstly,in the Quran and then secondly in the examples of the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) being the last Prophet. So once we come to see these two things, the Quran and the example of the Prophet, which is called the sunnah of the Prophet, then we see the ideal Islam.

 

BlackBillBlake...
u said..
"It has meant her disregarding her own intelligence and knowledge, and the hijab just means she's regarded with suspicion by others."

this is the usual assumtion carried by pple who do not know the real meaning of Hijab. In wat way does it mean that if one dons the hijab it disregards her own intelligence and knowledge? i just dont get the point nor the connection! can u please explain to me..? With the Hijab i get more freedom..i dont see man strippin me with their eyes when i walk down the street..i dont get unneccessay attention....people cant judge me by my looks they have to talk to me....and well like i have always been sayin if this is ur notion of freedom..and if u think that walkin around half naked means one is intelligence and knowledgable i wonder why the there are bimbos...oh well....heck it..i have got nothing to say...its pointless...i jus feel disgusted.

"where the good doctor claims that only Islam. Judaism and Christianity have any scriptures. This is simply untrue. So presumably the rest if the book, built on a false foundation, would be more un-truth. And they can't even find a translator capable of rendering the thing in decent english."

well i suppose u know it all...okie anyway...there are so many books on islam..and not all are reliable sources..same goes for the net...u can find sources but yet again not all are reliable. A very good example of this will be www.faithfreedom.org our dear jonny2mad so often quotes from there. I checked out the site and am totally disgusted..its run by an opinionated fool who thinks that if he has 10 different versions of the Quran he can prove this faith wrong..and some of the articles there are darn lame and vague...for instance this guy Ali claimed that Islam is bais towards the blacks..cos its stated in the Quran that the unbelievers face will be black on the day of judegement..and the believers face will be white..and to him this means discrimination..i wonder where he studied english..maybe his teacher didnt teach him the use adjectives and that colours can also be used to express how we feel..emotions and etc..like "she went green with envy" it doesnt literally mean that her face is GREEN....i wish i can tell this guy to get a life on his face..anyway this is the way they have misinterpreted the Quran in that website...and oh yeah they have quotes of the Quran at the web site..and they just take the verses that make them seem so right...even i can do that give me a quote from a bible or any scriptures i can twist the facts and make it seem wrong and make myself seem so foolishly smart in the eyes of the fools..humans are darn good at this..we start tellin stories from a young age..so twistin facts wouldnt take us much..but coming to admit a truth when all along u have been livin with everythin thats fake..and false..well it takes much more than just guts to accept wat we MUSLIMS and THE QURAN states..cos this means breakin away from all the security walls u have built around u half ur life..and this means so many changes to u ...and startin all over again..and this is HARD..and admit it if u are not up to it and of course u would rather conveniently deny Islam and its teaching and even worse start condermin it..i wonder if ur mommy ever told u the fox and the grapes story when u were a kid..not that intellectually theres much of a dif in the way u perceive things now but well maybe u should go to her and ask her to tell u the story.....don sit around utterin rubbish saying that muslims are bad and islam is nasty...u sound just like a kid....its all WORDs..the use of WORDs...SEMENTICS..a single word can have thousand meanings to it and this is wat Craig has done...he takes a single verse that talks abt war and claims "O PPLE ISLAM IS ABT VIOLENCe..." oh how he amuses me especially when am rottin here feeling bored...a good entertainer..i can give his site a 5 star ratin....sheesh...The Quran can NEVER be written by any MAN cos of the very unique way its written the language is sooo darn good that no ARABIANS nor anyone who knows the language can ever write a A SINGLE verse equivalent to that of the Quran..previously pple have challenged and attempted to write something as good as the verses in Quran and they gave up cos they can NOT write a single verse as good as the ones in Quran and mind u these are NOT some jonnny2mads craigs or Alis..but these pple are SCHOLARS.....WAT HAVE U GOT TO SAY FOR THIS? okie just to make it a little more easier for u to comprehend BBB am sure u would have read at least one peom in ur life...even in poems a single line has mutliple meanings to it...!!!!! wat more can u say abt GOD's WORDS? u who cant produce a work like that (meanin as good as the verses in Quran) IS NO ONE TO CRITISE IT AS WELL.. ..and of course pple who know nuts abt islam will just be goons and nod their heads and believe everythin Craig 'preaches' ...like jonny2mad somehow its so much more easier to do that....come on look at the CONTEXTS! when u look at the verses of the Quran u should ALWAYS look at the verse BEFORE a particular verse and AFTER a particular verse..only then u will understand it better..Oh yeah its bit too dif for pple like u to do that cos u would rather sit on ur ass and just believe the rubbish at faithfreedom cos Craigh is the one who knows EVERYTHIN ABT ISLAM Craigh is the one who knows it all and oh yeah he has 10 dif translations of the Quran..WOW impressed impressed..eh..so??? i can read all the books in the library but it doesnt mean that i have to be doin so well it my studies..cos at the end of it ITS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT MATTERS..and craigs equivalent to 0 here...Heck it....truth always remains as the truth no matter which jackass comes along and tries to distort it or twist the fact..there always pple like Caigs around so am not really shocked....its just a matter of fact if one is able to realise this or not... so maybe u should refer to something reliable b4 judgin any religion..


"i also confronted her with the story of the Jews of Medina, who Muhammed had executed, and took part in the executions himself. This led only to a denial, and more stuff about how I can't be happy as a non-muslim."

this fren of urs is new to the religion..she had just converted..why are u bombardin her with all these questions when she herself is just gettin to know Islam? I just think this is plain stupidity...again its just like wat jujunisha said...if u want to learn how to do a particular maths question u approah ur teacher and not a student who is learnin himself....this will just lead to more confusion....so please stop doin this to ur poor fren...approach someone who knows islam better...and then come to a decision...it amuses me cos its ur own stupidity that's causin ur unhappiness and not the fact that ur fren couldnt ans ur question and u are not yet able to figure this out...=)



"I'm not prepared to accept what is lies and falsification, and an attitude that blithely accepts the facts of Muhammed's life despite the abuses."

how do u know something is a lie when u dont even know it from its true sense? If u think u know it all well my fren u would have known that
Islam wasnt born in Saudi in the first place but it was our dear Prophet
Muhammed (SAW) who was born there....this is one of the most basic facts in islam..and u dont even know this to start off with..!! so how can one even be sure that what u know of Islam is even right in the first place? to make things more amusin for me u actually go on to say that Islam is abt lies...when in fact its u who dont even know the truth..when u claim that something is a lie then pragmatically u mean that u know the truth..right? so then wat is the truth accordin to u? but then again u dont even seem to have the basic essential knowledge of islam..this puts to question ur whole perception of islam..!
to know the truth u must be able to differentiate it from the lie...common sense...hmm..i dont think it requires some one who doesnt don the hijab to figure out this.....cos accordin to u we women who don it are not knowledgable..oh well look at wat u are sayin..its a reflection of urself.

 

I am a muslim and proud to be a muslim..hmm..so..let me know one thing,,u are asking questions abt muslims girls..what do your NUNs do in the church,,they cover thier full body and they wear scarf on their heads for their whole life,,now why are they doing so ? any answer,,prove me this thing..and then ask any question abt muslim girls..got it..and from which thing will u prove urself..from bible..huh..i can show you 31 different bibles,,now which one is corerct..??,,have a look at urself..ur religion and then point out someone else..i challenge you to show me A SINGLE DIFFERENT VERSION OF QURAN..U WILL NEVER GET THAT..ITS A CHALLENGE..QURAN IS GOD WORLDS AND BIBLE IS HUMANS WORDS...THERE IS ONLY ONE QURAN AND THERE ARE SEVARAL BIBLES WRITTEN BY HUMAN ACCORDING TO THEIR NEEDS...
Now have a look at this thing morally,,if your white girls have rights to hang around with NAKED bodies,,if they have rights to expose themselves,,if your white girls and guys have rights to have sex anytime they want...then what is the problem if muslim girls wear scarf ? what is worng with it...now give me one single prrof that white girls can be naked on the streets they can expose their bodies and its allowed in your religion ?
IS TEHRE ANYONE.. WHO CAN ANSWER ME...its an open challenge.....
and yeah...if u cant prove then just simply delete this site..as u said..ok

 

BLACKBILLBLAKE SAID...
"to those who argue that in Islamic countries it is not compulsory for women to wear the hijab, I would like to say that in some countries Islam is not fully practiced - in Saudi Arabia I doubt it would be permitted, and Saudi is the birthplace of Islam"


i think its quite obvious that most islamic ctry force hijab on the women...like i mentioned in my previous post its the rule of the ctry...to make any conclusion u have to refer to the Quran and the hadeeth and not look at how the muslim ctry behave...they are NOT our GUIDE NOR ARE THEY OUR ROLE MODEL.. even i a practisin muslim will not agree with all the things that they do in the name of islam. (Pls refer to the article by Yusuf Islam)

In my country Islam is FULLY practiced..and well there are MUSLIM WOMEN who choose not to don the hijab...and the Islamic Religious Council here have not taken any steps to force it on them..cos they know that it should never be forced..i cant be explainin why then these muslim ctry are behavin in such a manner..they are answerable for their own deeds but u should stop makin assumptions based on these ctry..instead u should refer to the Quran and the hadeeth which is OUR GUIDE AND OUR ROLE MODEL so why dont u start doin that if u ever want to say anythinmore abt islam? u will start makin more sense that way.


"And even in Morocco, a very liberal muslim country, a white womwn I know told me how when she went out she had a bunch of children calling her names etc. because as a non-hijab wearer, she's thought of a simply a whore."

wat can i say but this is the ultimate result of the accusations and the assumtions of pple like u!!? if u think wat this bunch of children did is wrong then u will have to agree with me that its wrong to assume that
women who don the hijab are stupid and oppressed..and of course agree with me that its wrong to associate Islam with terrorism and agree with me that its wrong to judge Islam by the actions and behaviours of the black sheeps in Islam..(but i doubt u will ever agree with me)..actually there seems to be no difference between those children and people like u...the children assume that women who dont don the hijab are whore and u blindly assume that women who don the hijab are stupid and oppressed..both dont know the truth..the children are young and they might not even have realised that their remarks might have hurt the women's feelings..but adults like u...hurlin words which are insensitive out of pure ignorance is much more worse then the actions of
those children.

to me if u think that its alright to blindly associate islam from a very negative light..then its perfectly alright for me that those kids associated that woman who did not don the hijab as a whore..

if u choose to be ignorant and make the wrong judegement...the result or the reaction u get will be equally as bad.

 

Your taking Mohammed word for it that god came to him in a dream 3 times or even once

if you look in modern times you get lots of people who claim to be prophets who say that god has told them to do things like sleep with children its a pretty normal for these type of people

and when you say that Allah made it a rule that Mohammed’s wives were not able to remarry what you mean is Mohammed said his invisible friend Allah said it but Mohammed was the one doing the talking



I read Surah 33 Al-Ahzab Verse 50 closely and I don’t see anywhere that says that Mohammed’s example in marrying 6 years old is to be taken as just a one off for him alone

What does stand out to me in that sura is that this person you hold up as your role model. the best example. And an exalted standard character. He was actually a superhero had

Those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses

So the sura is saying that Mohammed was a slaver as well as a pedophile and when you consider that you could have sex with female slaves this to me lowers his behavior even more

you may find this old thread interesting on the whole question of the age of consent in the Koran basically you have payment for a divorce settlement before menstruation and the fact that you only need to pay such a payment if the marriage is consummated

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=6666&sid=a8a3fd7e526ce3007a7c4e4adcbde275



you seem to be saying that Mohammed wasn’t a paedophile because he married other older women as well but I don’t buy that it’s a bit like saying a thief is honest because most of his life he wasn’t out stealing

For Mohammed to be a man of sublime character and a example to follow he shouldn’t have married one six year old

what I suggest you do is find a picture of a six year old child and another picture of a 54 year old man and look at these pictures and think am I being conned ,do I think this is what god wants would god consider this a good example

You can dig up evidence that its unhealthy for little children to have baby’s very young so even though it’s possible for someone to have sex at 6 or 8 1/2 it’s harmful

Shouldn’t god have known this and why would god command his prophet to do something like this

isn’t it more likely that it was Mohammed’s own desires

 

and to see a qoute from yusef islam aka cat stevens saying dont judge islam on what some muslims do is really really really funny

Im british like cat stevens and salman rushdie, and I remember mr stevens help hound mr rushdie into hiding for writing a book he didnt like

I think mr stevens should be in jail for incitement to murder for what he did during the rushdie affair, not telling me that I shouldnt judge islam by the actions of of people like himself

but Im not at present judging islam by the actions of individual muslims but by the man who claimed to be a prophet

 

I haven't got the reply back to my previous post..means that you guys are totally last in finding the answer of that challenges,,,
and u Mr. Jonny2mad i wish we could meet someday..so that i could let u know that what is the meaning of being a muslim..one more thing,..u are here posting fake and cheap posts just beause of your narrow and sick mind,,,i think u have't seen the world...and ur knowledge is limited...try to explose the things,,,and try to answer my last challenge...which i am sure u can never...so better hide your face and go away with your sick mind..have some research and then come back...u got it

 

your challenge to produce another quran is subjective

for example who is to judge this test

My wife is the most beautiful women in the world!
Bring me any woman like it!
If you can't, then you have to accept that everything she says is right.

I dont think the quran is the word of god, you do which of us is to judge

http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Miracle/

ali sinas challenge is i suppose subjective too for example I would see mohammeds marriage to aisha as a crime, you wouldnt because mohammeds teachings are the basis of your morality.

so if mohammed kills some girls family and then has sex with her soon afterwards I would think this is rape, as very few women would want to have sex with someone whose just murdered her family

you on the other hand wouldnt think this was rape as I suppose she would be classed as some sort of legal war booty

if you look to the west you see women going around with very few clothes on and many of them sleepying with whoever they want
but is this any worse than making people into slaves and then having sex with them or marrying little children
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/safiyah.htm

 

Check out what these Muslims are wearing:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=605

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/bosnia.html

 

In reply to Tom; I am a true native to this country (USA) and am married to an Iraqi national. I am Christian whereas my husband is Muslim. I have lived in Arab countries and can say that for the women in Iraq and in Jordan, I have seen muslim women cover their heads and some not cover their heads. They are not forced into covering. And Christians mostly DO NOT cover their heads in Iraq nor in Jordan. I on the other hand have covered my head at times while in the Arab lands and sometimes I did not cover. My husband does not require me to cover my head nor does he beat me. It is against the Quaran to beat the wife and for violence such as the terrorist. These terrorist that call themselves muslims are not recognized as true Muslims by others of the Islamic faith. And for the remark that was made about Sadam making life better for the women in Iraq - where did you get that information???? That is so wrong - things may be dangerous right now in Iraq for all people - Muslim, or Christian but they are still better now then they were when Sadam was in control. Sadam was not a true Muslim just for the record. I am back in the USA now and there are times when I choose to wear the hijab and times when I choose not to wear the hijab. I do have to admit that I recieve more respect from men Christians included, when I wear the hijab. For the Christians that read this, you might find it interesting to know that women are mentioned in the Bible in I Corinthians 11 about covering their head when they pray and for respect of the husband and for God. While I lived in the Arab lands, I noticed great respect given to the women there - unlike what is given to the women here. As far as domestic violence - that can be found in all cultures, religions and in every country - look right here in the USA! Please research better before making assumtions on how others live.

 

here is a great book could help u understanding the islamic rules concerning women

http://www.aljame3.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=24405

 

I think women should be allowed to dress the way they feel the most comfortable. It helps to not look sloppy, or dirty, and if we see women who are poor, and need assistance finding decent clothing, we should help out. Sometimes people have bad circumstances, and just can't be as fashionable as they would like. As for the Muslim women, I have seen many types of clothing, from an almost Medieval look, to a simple plain modern style. I think the long coats are attractive, and the tunics are very practical, and comfortable. Granted, some of the head wear seems a bit austere, but I think the draping scarves are feminine. I worry that many of the burkas, and Shia clothing may pose a health hazard in modern times, due to all the things they can get hung up on, and the cars, etc. But, ultimately, women should be allowed to choose. In Egypt, I have seen the young girls wearing flowered dresses. Men have to realise..that women aren't forcing them to wear things they don't like. Men are a bit insecure at times. They equate a beautiful woman with "being loose and wanton"....That's silly. If some men know how to treat women in the first place, the women won't need anyone else. It would be great to make men wear the burka to work, and see how well they take to not being able to see the skill saw clearly.....

 

NiSH, you totally bashed Johnny the phoney. LOL. Islam is indeed a great religion preserved and followed by great people. What you have managed to do is expose Johhnys 2-bit argument as another case of a misinformed and misguided zealot.

Much love from Amsterdam, peace.

 

food for thought indeed, Jujunisa.

 

zaffydoo
you or nish havnt shown that mohammed wasnt a pedophile slaver rapist if thats the sort of person you believe god would choose as his last prophet I pity you .

In most islamic countrys you are unable to freely discuss mohammeds actions and even in the west you get threats and the usual islamic boot boy tactics .

if mohammed really was someone to respect his actions would shine out and nothing that I or anyone else could point out would be able to effect him

 

Thanks for the sympathy Jonny, I'll let you know when I need it, you can hang on to it until then.

All you've managed to show is that despite repeated explanation you are unwilling to take your tiny piece of information and put it into the context it deserves. There is no point trying to convince someone like that that there is more to the story than meets modern standards and current decorum.

I hope you find your peace soon.

 

modern standards and current decorum. ha ha ha

mohammed claimed to be a the last prophet of god his morality and example was supposed to be for all time .

would god want as a example a man having sex with a little child or keeping slaves and making people into slaves or torturing people .

there were plenty of people back then that didnt do these things , god could have picked one of those .

what does this say about allahs morality ?

isnt it more likely that mohammed was just someone like charles manson or hitler who fooled lots of people , and claimed that god told him to sleep with little children when that was his own desire

 

First of all, this man who you are so fond of critizising was a man with great morals and a astonishing personality, this cannot be denied.

Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities. Encyclopedia Britannica

The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which
human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he? " Lamartine,

I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness George Bernad Shaw


M. Ghandi speaking about Muhammed:
I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life. "

You may ask your self Johnny, if this man was so horrible, why did people -litterly- enter his religion in crowds and still do? Why did tribe after tribe start accepting his religion, how could he go from having no followers into having a great nation if he indeed was such a terrible man?

The Encyclopedia Britannica says(Vol 12);
A mass of detail in the early sources shows that the Prophet of Islam, Mohammed was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were like-wise honest and upright men.


Secondly:
The prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) lived in a time when slavery was custom, it was practised all over the world. With his coming, slavery wasn't started it was restricted!

For one thing, slavery had now only one source - from captives of war.
He ordered for their rights even though they were slaves:


"Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.'"


Zadhan reported that Ibn Umar called his slave and he found the marks (of beating) upon his back. He said to him: I have caused you pain. He said: No. But he (Ibn Umar) said: You are free. He then took hold of something from the earth and said: There is no reward for me even to the weight equal to it. I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) as saying: He who beats a slave without cognizable offence of his or slaps him (without any serious fault), then expiation for it is that he should set him free


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) as saying: When the slave of anyone amongst you prepares food for him and he serves him after having sat close to (and undergoing the hardship of) heat and smoke, he should make him (the slave) sit along with him and make him eat (along with him), and if the food seems to run short, then he should spare some portion for him (from his own share


Freeing slaves is something rewardble as the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said:

"Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)."


Narrated Asma: "No doubt the Prophet ordered people to manumit slaves during the solar eclipse.


Let us study the following quran verse and see what it says;

And such of your servants as seek a writing (of emancipation), give them such writing, if you find that there is good and honesty in them. And give them something (yourselves) out of the wealth of Allah which He has bestowed upon you. And force not your slave-girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, in order that you may make a gain in the goods of this worldly life. But if anyone compels them, then after such compulsion, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them).[Quran chapter Noor]

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This verse teaches us that slaves can buy there freedom and that one should help them with that if there is good and honesty in them. Ibrahim An-Nakha`i said, "This is urging the people, their masters and others.'' This was also the view of Buraydah bin Al-Husayb Al-Aslami and Qatadah. Ibn `Abbas said: "Allah commanded the believers to help in freeing slaves.''​

"I said to `Ata', "If I know that my servant has money, is it obligatory for me to write him a contract of emancipation'' He said, "I do not think it can be anything but obligatory.'' `Amr bin Dinar said: "I said to `Ata', `Are you narrating this from anybody' He said, `No,' then he told me that Musa bin Anas told him that Sirin, who had a lot of money, asked Anas for a contract of emancipation and he refused. So he went to `Umar (bin Al-Khattab), may Allah be pleased with him, and he said, `Write it for him.' He refused, so `Umar hit him with his whip and recited(interpretation of the meaning): give them such writing, if you find that there is good and honesty in them. Then he wrote the contract.''​

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But he has not attempted to pass on the path that is steep.​

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And what will make you know the path that is steep​

Freeing a neck ​

Or giving food in a day full of Masghabah[hunger], ​

To an orphan near of kin. ​

Or to a Miskin cleaving to dust.[90.11-16]​

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Or to a Miskin cleaving to dust (Dha Matrabah).) meaning, poor, miserable, and clinging to the dirt. It means those who are in a state of destitution. Ibn `Abbas said, "Dha Matrabah is that who is dejected in the street and who has no house or anything else to protect him against the dirt.​

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Thirdly:​

I have not seen any hadith where the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon) claims that his marriage to Aisha was an order from Allah(may he be exalted) so where did you get this information?​

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Do remember that in this society these kinds if marriages were totally normal just as it was normal a 100 years ago in the US to marry girls as young as 10 and in other countries even younger. The fact that you feel aversion to it does not lower the greatness of the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) at all.​

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Almost all western people were discussed by homosexuality 100 years ago, now it is more accepted, it could happen that your children will live in a world were they accept incest even though you feel strong aversion against it (I presume). Does this mean that we are all so horrible and terrible for hating incest, wouldn't your grandchildren feel sorry for all those "bigots" who didn't accept incest?​

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My point being, there is technically nothing wrong with marrying a young girl or a young boy as long as they have reached puberty!​

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It is not Birr(righteousness) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west; but Birr is the one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masakin (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set servants free [2.177]​