i don't get why people complain about migrant children in detainment

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Do you think long detention of children in situations where the older kids have to take care of the infants and toddlers and none have access to their parents might do long-term damage to them?
5 Harmful Long-term Effects of Family Detention on Children - Save the Children Action Network
The Effect of Family Detention on Children
The Social Effects of Detention on Undocumented Children
https://idcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IDC-Captured-Childhood-Report-Chap-5.pdf
Trump now claims migrant children will be reunited with their families. Here are the lifelong psychological consequences these kids face.
What Are the Long-Term Effects of Separating Immigrant Children from Their Parents?
Are we okay with that?

 

I know that immigration processes like this are tough and horrible, but many immigrants understand that and still take the risk because they feel as if when they can get through that stage hopefully, it will be a much more rewarding life than if they were to stay where they were. Now I read that a long time ago and it's something rarely brought up in arguments, not that I can say I have read this thread in its entirety.

One thing is for sure, you just can't let a boatload of immigrants off into a country with no money, no clue and no prospects. I don't know what the resolve is to that, or if everybody eventually gets through immigration I'm not even sure? You'd hope for first class shelters and everything else, like a mini city that's nice to live in, but then possibly you'd only start getting more and more people coming in knowing that, so what do you do with them?

It seems like a never ending cycle where the problem only worsens over time. I am thinking there's got to be a better, faster way of getting these people ready for whatever countries life but that's all I got. Plus the better living conditions that's a must. Don't split families either that's messed up. Medical treatment for sure. Nobody has to die.
But as for the actual stationing of the immigrants I don't know. In theory yes, my perfect little city haven idea, but that's not a reality and so I don't know what you can do with them and I feel as if that's the actual contributing factor/problem in much of this.

What would you do?

 

It doesn't matter if we're ok with it. Their parents are ok with it. Apparently it's still better treatment than they can expect at home.

The real shame is that we still can't trust anyone to report on the issue accurately. Instead the news has 1 priority, bag on Trump. So they don't really "care" about the issues at the border as long as they can be used as fodder for trying to shame Trump. Of course being able to use it to shame all Americans is cool too, even though it's not their fault.

 

It doesn't matter if we're ok with it. Their parents are ok with it. Apparently it's still better treatment than they can expect at home.

The real shame is that we still can't trust anyone to report on the issue accurately. Instead the news has 1 priority, bag on Trump. So they don't really "care" about the issues at the border as long as they can be used as fodder for trying to shame Trump. Of course being able to use it to shame all Americans is cool too, even though it's not their fault.

Yea, but that's actual immigration. This bullshit at the southern border, which I have been hearing about my entire life, is NOT "immigration" at all.

 

Defenders of the policy need to get the line straight. Are things fine at home in Central America, as Orison tells us? Or is it a hell hole, as your comment and international sources would suggest? Desperate as the situation might be, no mother should be put in the dilemma of choosing between those evils. Nor should we condone that kind of treatment for children because--well, it's the mothers' fault. We're talking about minimum humane treatment here.

The fact that what goes on in these facilities is kept from news reporters and even members of Congress should make us wonder why. The court testimony of Justice Department official Sarah Fabian trying to defend the lack of toothbrushes and soap confirmed the reality of the situation. We can live in a bubble, close our eyes and ears and chant the "fake news" mantra all we want, but the ugly truths have a way of intruding. Trump has made the situation worse by withdrawing aid from the Central American countries where conditions are already so bad that people are fleeing from them in large numbers.

No, it's asylum seeking, which makes it legally much more complicated. It's reasonable to suspect most of the asylum seekers don't qualify, because they're fleeing economic and social conditions instead of government persecution. However, international and domestic laws require they be given hearings, and in the process have to be kept somewhere. It doesn't seem to be beyond the capabilities of a major power like the United States to figure this out and provide accommodations that meet minimum standards.

 

By this logic you probably conclude the parents (or... the left over parent) are ok with a drowned kid as well? Hey, apparently it was all worth it compared to back home

 

I think they should pass a law to make it mandatory that any sitting politician should be forced to sponsor, out of thier own pockets 7 people. Be it 7 in one family, or total of 7 at one time. Force them to bring them into your home. 7 is enough to occupy bed space, and see how to accommodate them on real terms. Feed them. Clothe them. Educate then. Insist they teach them English. For a period of 2 years. Then send then into the economy to be productive.

I predict that within 6 months of adopting this policy, the immigrant problem will be solved. They will figure out how to stop the flow into our country simply to be provided everything they just were required to do on their own dime

 

So I'm becoming a bigger supporter of illegal immigrants now. Screw housing them etc. Let them come in illegally and fend for themselves. They get nothing free. No soap, toothbrushes, showers etc They are resourceful enough to trudge 2,000 miles by foot to get here, they can find ways to get going easier than sitting in some form of detention for what takes years to get through.

Screw that. Let them come in and figure it out. They will either be hired, join a gang, get killed or die of something, or go back to where they came from, if they don't like being here.

At the rate we are going, we will have them in some cushy housing facilities that will resemble cities. With schools, playgrounds, medical clinics etc for what will turn out to be years. Because they are seeking legal entry into here.

Eff that. I'll pay them $8 an hour to put a roof on my house and let them live in a refrigerator box for all I care.

 

how many of you bleeding hearts have illegal invaders living with you in your house?
if you care so much how come you don't have 15-20 kids living with you?

 

not wanting kids to suffer = you should be prepared to house 20 of them.
okay.

 

It's really a nonsense argument to act people who have a problem with current immigration policy and esp with how these kids are treated are hypocrites or don't really care about it.
If you're trying to make another point with that seemingly rhetoric question maybe explain. Hopefully there's something more to it lol

 

That's the kind of off-the-wall irrelevancy that gets in the way of rational solutions to the problem. I don't have, or want to have, anyone but my wife and kids living with me in my house. I don't think anyone is advocating house sharing as the solution--just minimum standards of decency for kids in custody, many of whom have relatives in this country who could take them in if they get out of their cages.

 

I know you're trying to be rude but I wear the bleeding heart badge proudly so you're not going to hurt my feelings with it

To answer your question. From my experience with immigrants from Mexico and central America, they generally prefer to work and pay for their own abodes

Children? I would absolutely foster an unaccompanied minor, I plan to foster soon anyways. But my state doesn't allow refugees to settle here because it's full of people like you, so I dont have that option.
Minors who come here with their parents or who have family in the US dont need to go into foster care of course, they just need to be released to their families.

 

Yeah, cause like, having a heart that bleeds is so.. weak, you know.
Much better to have a cold, dead heart.

 

Lol right

Empathy bad

 

I must concur with your opinion here. We've reached such hyper-partisan furor even the simplest problems cannot be solved because of who benefits politically.

Why not allow our foundations to crumble since we can beat our opponents over the head with it ?

 

yea, that's what sucks about it, the apathy from so many directions. Your assessment of my logic is exactly what I'd expect from you, the worst possible scenario you can contrive. Which is why I don't particularly care to converse with you. Always with the precious little jabs and shit.

 

I'll agree to house a family of migrants for a year if you agree to spend a year in a retrofitted WW2 internment camp. Neither of our arguments will be legit, but I'll get some taco's out of the deal.

 

Let my people go..