I Have Just Joined THE BREXIT PARTY!

Yes sorry.
I wasn't meaning to be rude to you as at least you have tried to be reasonable.
I was wound up on balbus more than you.
But before I try and answer your question, may I ask.
What nationality are you, and where do you live?
I clicked on your forum name but that information is not there.

I am British, was born in Liverpool but now live near Llandudno in North Wales.

 

I'm English. I live in Cornwall. I was born in Gloucestershire.
Where I'm from is very "hippie" liberal green and remain
Where I am is mostly leave. (my partner is a fisherman which is a lot of the reason for his stance)

 

Hi Rue ! Do you think the EU laws on fishing are Fair ( promise I am not trying to trip you up mate ) I have never heard anyone talk Objectively about the EU Subject especially on here ( way too much emotion involved ) there are Pros and cons in every decision I realize this is not an easy one for anyone to take ! Cheers Mate

 

I have to go out right now, but yes talking about taking back control.
Once we are out of the EU we will be able to Take Back Control of our fishing waters.
At the moment the French in particular, but others as well are fishing in our waters and in effect nicking our fish, including scallops..

Perhaps read this:

MAPPED: Where can the British and French fish for scallops? Where are the boundaries?

A SCALLOPS war has broken out over the English Channel, with British and French vessels clashing in angry exchanges over capture of the valuable shellfish.
Where can they fish for scallops and what are the boundaries?

Have a nice day.

 

No, I don't think they're fair...
One of the issues is that they have smaller landing sizes, so he has to throw something back and rather than be able to "catch it again" when it grows up, which I assume is the idea, a Spanish fisherman can land it. BUT.. when I tried to research the "other side" of this.. it seems like it's not really so straight forward, because BRITISH law is what controls the sizes he can land.. the EU aren't saying Britain can't land smaller fish.. that's our ruling.

I don't see this as necessarily a reason to leave the EU. It seems like.. maybe this could have been addressed.. made fairer?

Yeah, I don't really know why I got into this discussion.. I hate emotionally charged debates! Haha. But I feel I am quite objective. I voted remain, but without seeing a version of the future, ten years from now leave, ten years from now stay... both paths probably have ups and downs. I can accept leaving. But I don't like that it is happening because of manipulation and slogans.

The very fact that Boozer keeps highlighting "take back control" in the above post screams of brainwashing. Drop the slogans.. talk real. My partner comes back to slogans a lot too. I love him. He's intelligent. I don't look down on leave voters.. but the remain side often seems to put things in their own words rather than copy the words they've been told. That says a lot to me.

No discussion of this nature will ever impact my interactions with members outside of the discussion itself : )
One thing HF has taught me is that some people with views I find impossible to understand also hold views I can totally relate to. People are so complex, man!

 

We don't own the fish, man. Nor the ocean, the land.. any of this planet. We were all born on it. We will all die.
It's not ours.
I'd like to leave it to the next lot in good condition, with societies that have learned to live in harmony.

 

The fishing rights issue is just one tiny little part of why I want OUT of the EU.
I could go off on a rant and spend half my day trying to convince remainer's of their folly.
But the Sun is shining outside and Wifey and I need to go out now for a long promenade walk, get the Sunday papers and smell the coffee and the roses.
All I can say at the moment is this:

Roll on next Thursday when Wifey and I will cast our vote for the newly formed weeks old BREXIT PARTY in the EU Elections.
They will win massively, and start an earthquake in British Politics.

Have a nice day.

 

I'm a dual UK/Australian citizen and although I don't vote in the UK I hope the Brexit party does well ,the UK needs to be out of the EU..in fact it should never have joined !
Cheers
Paul

 

My sentiments exactly Chef.
This article was published in our online Sunday Express just one hour ago:

Brexit Party LANDSLIDE: Farage’s party set to win 27 SEATS at European elections –analysis

On Thursday Britons will take to the polls in the European elections and according to one bookmakers, the Brexit Party is set for a resounding victory.
Star Spreads reveal that the seat projection for the EU election puts Mr Farage’s Party way in front with over a third of the seats, followed by Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories.
The calculations from the betting experts also suggest Theresa May’s Party could be overtaken by The Greens, who trail them by just one seat.

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The bookmakers predict the Brexit Party will take 27 seats in the forthcoming EU election, followed by Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories with 14, 12 and 7 seats respectively.

But the Greens could be set to overtake the Tories, who come in fifth place, as they are set to secure six seats - just one less than the Governing Party.

The calculations, which include a number of variables such as polling and betting volumes, leaves Change UK failing to win a single seat.


A spokesman for Star Spreads said: “Our latest calculations suggest come Thursday night it’s simply a case of the winning distance for Nigel Farage and his Brexit Party.

 

Sooo.. you said "before I try and answer, where are you from?"
So I told you where I was from.. and you have managed to swiftly move on from actually answering what I asked : )
You fall back on.. "oh well I could write a big rant but I have better things to do"
but I never asked for any big effort.. just simple, short answers to simple short questions.

Just in case you've forgotten them: What does "take back control" actually mean to you in practice? Are the EU laws you object to just regarding immigration, or others? If so, what others?

 

Did you not read my post number 54 then?
I think below should answer your questions.
Below is what it will mean to me by taking back control of at least most of the relevant issues.
At present we DO NOT have total control of the issues I mention.
The EU DOES!

If my answers don't then I have no desire to try and educate you further.
Talking to someone who doesn't listen carefully to what I say has no appeal to me.
Cheers!

However, please allow me to have just one last go at explaining to you why my Wife and I want to leave the EU.
And I will NOT have either the inclination or the time to keep trying to justify myself to remoaners who are sore losers, and who would not know what democracy was if it slapped them in the gob!

Brexit wasn’t complicated until May and her mostly remain MPs got their grubby little hands on it.

No deal is better than a bad deal she said.
Well her deal is a bucket of crap.

This issue was simple for me.

1. I want to leave the EU and take back control of our country.
2. I want our country to make our own laws and rules and govern ourselves completely.
This without the EU tail wagging the dog.
3. I did not want to stay in the EU and be part of a superstate.
4. I want this country of ours to have total control of our borders and control immigration.
Afer all.
It is my opinion that our country has gone to the dogs because of far too many foreigners coming in, and our culture has been sunk in a sea of immigrants.
5. Our NHS cannot cope.
6. Our housing cannot cope.
7. Our police cannot cope with crime and terrorism mostly imported from far eastern countries.
8. I was fed up with us giving billions of pounds in order to help feed the useless undemocratic eurocrats and overall, there are 46,356 people employed across all EU institutions, agencies and bodies, and breeding more as we speak.

I could go on for hours typing here trying to educate you further on this matter, but I have a day of better things to do lined up.

Have a nice day.

Cheers.

 

Well Said......Pretty Straight Forward......Too Bad All Of The UK Can't Unite And See It In The Same Light....



Cheers Glen.

 

That would be very nice Glen.
What gets me is that the EU vote on whether or not to stay in the EU was LOST by the remainer's.
Is there something they don't understand about that?
They lost on a democratic vote where 17.4 MILLION of us voted to LEAVE the EU.
Thing is.
The remoaners obviously know nothing about democracy.
And even if they do.
They want no truck with it.
Poor sad losers the lot of them.

But now THE BREXIT PARTY are taking back control over this whole issue, I am now confident of victory, and we WILL leave the EU.
Hopefully on WTO terms.

Cheers Kenny

 

Yeah, Boozer. I read that post. You can repeat it again and again if you like.. but I was clearly asking for clarification on the DETAILS of some of your statements. What does TAKE BACK CONTROL mean, IN PRACTICE? IS IT JUST THE IMMIGRATION LAWS THEN? IF NOT, WHAT OTHER LAWS BOTHER YOU?

Also, in respect to that post, I asked why you felt the need to say "remoaners" rather than just remainers, and why the need for the word "grubby" rather than just "got her hands on it" ..why the need for the name-calling type language?

So, you see, it's not that I am not reading your posts. You are not answering the questions : )
You say you could go on for hours, but I don't think you can. That's all you've got. That's why you have to just copy and paste the same post. You seem unable to go into detail.

That's okay though. We can drop it : )

 

Booze

Well that could be your problem its simple to you because you really haven’t looked into it.

But you don’t seem to have a clue what that means

Can you please address the outstanding criticisms of that viewpoint? Thing is that we do make our own laws and govern ourselves and you seem unable to cite one case where this sn’t the case or of a law that you are against.

Why not

Again I’ve asked but you don’t seem able to explain what you mean by this or back it up in any way.

Which seems due to neoliberal policies such as ‘austerity’ than migration

Definitely due to neoliberal policies

What?

As for paying for EU membership well to repeat

I believe it cost somewhere close to 9 billion

But let’s put that in context - we spend:

145 billion on health

45 billion on defence

29 billion on transport

And 13 billion on overseas aid

We also contribute less (per head of population) than some other EU countries such as Germany.

For the 9 billion we get all the advantages of free trade with the EU members and with the EU trade deals with none EU countries along with a say in the regulations and policies set by the EU (unlike say Norway).

Some have put a figure of roughly £31bn-£92bn per year as the best estimate we have in terms of the additional value created to the UK economy through trade as a result of EU membership.

I don’t think you could explain further that is why you are making excuses to run away.

Please go back and look at your posts there is a lot of sound and fury but little or nothing of substance and when your views are questioned or criticised you run away.

Strange isn’t it that I’m happy to go into detail on any of this do the study make the connections look up the information but you are unwilling or unable to do any of that.

If you were going to buy a car and one person has the MOT, the log book and can answer all your questions about it and another seller has none of the paperwork and refuses to answer any of your questions about the car – which car would you most likely buy?

 

Why?

 

Chef.
It appears to be what these guys do is this.
They ask a simple question such as either Why? or Please explain.
Then one is expected to type away for half an hour or a lot more while trying to educate these people in respect of Brexit.
Take my advice.
Don't bother.
These boring wind up merchants ain't worth it!

 

Well I won't give you pages of reasons,I will simply state that I believe he UK should be master of it's own destiny and I do not believe that can be achieved
while they are in the EU,the fishing rights question being just one example.
Cheers
Paul

 

It's a wind up to simply ask why you say what you say, when there is often evidence pointing to the contrary?

 

How is the EU preventing the U.K. being the master of it's own destiny?
Regardless of what Boozer thinks, I am not asking for detail to wind anyone up. I am genuinely trying to find anyone who wants to leave who is even capable of answering the questions about why they think what they think.

Regarding fishing, which I am particularly interested in understanding, this is an interesting article: https://infacts.org/uk-fishermen-worse-off-outside-eu/