Caravan Of Hondurans Headed To United States

Yeah I took it and morphed it into my own for this thread, since we're talking about borders and immigration and all that.

It's a great Gandhi quote.

 

Guatemala sure gonna be a nice place to visit, now that all the weirdos left for the United States..

 

Actually several people are attributed with a similar quote "A society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members" - Democratic Underground.

 

Well they are not the US's to treat any way. They're a political stunt. Its not anybody's fault but thiers and nobody does this stuff anywhere except to attack and run countries in the ground. I knew cartel was full of it too. They told them to leave or else and they're still around, fighting, stealing, raping, trashing the place and the mexicans claim kids disappearing. It's the biggest but also the ugliest joke anybody ever saw. Here comes winter too for thier invading butt.

 

By definition, a nation should only be measured by how it treats those within it's borders. The term nation loses all meaning if you include how those outside the borders are treated.

 

So, better to say that humanity can be measured by how it treats it's most vulnerable members.

 

Some might contend that, I believe at certain points, we were reluctant to join both.

Diplomacy is interaction amongst nations not being a nation itself.

 

Ideally I think this would be true...

But I read this story recently of an American Christian Missionary being killed by going to an Andaman island which is protected by the government of that region.

He was killed by island tribespeople who don't welcome outsiders.

So here you got a person thinking what's better is to try and convert the island people to Christianity, you got the island people thinking what's better is to remain isolationists, and then some organization(s) supporting the island people's actions, essentially suggesting it's ok to kill people, under certain circumstances. Who is the vulnerable here?

US missionary killed by endangered Andaman island tribesmen

Tying it to this thread, this story is like a microcosm of a lot of these issues, people want to protect certain principles of their land, outsiders don't always come with the intention of assimilating and living by their customs.

 

No-one strikes me as vulnerable in that story.

I think you're just exposing it for what it is, a sentiment that sounds true but is too simple for the complexities of reality.

 

You're adorable. Can I take you home and keep you?

You do realize that the Aztecs and other native civilizations engaged in slavery by conquering tribes in the surrounding area, right? You also realize that tribal warfare was quite common throughout the entire two continents as well, don't ya?

Have a happy Thanksgiving (or Thankstaking as you might call it). And enjoy a table full of food brought to you by a capitalist government. Because if we were socialist, we'd all be eating canned spam.

 

What good does a nation have in itself, if it kills all those around them and conquers the neighborhood for no good reason other than to say, purge a specific class of people, ala Nazi Regime?

 

Then it's no longer a nation in itself because it's invading other nations and it usually leads to conflict.

 

Exactly my point. That's why I said a nation is measured by its greatness both within its borders. And at its borders. A great a nation does not wage war with its neighbors.

 

I'd agree with that, I got the impression earlier, that you meant that in the sense of just arbitrarily letting people in at the borders.

There is a striking difference to me between a nation going out to conquer and conquest other nations as opposed to turning away people attempting to immigrate into a nation illegally.

 

Yup agreed. I don't think we should just turn away refugees either, but there are right ways to immigration and those legal ways should be followed whenever possible of course.

My main concern is that nations should not just blindly turn away refugees or blindly wage war with other nations.

There must always be a right and a wrong. And I can only hope that as a nation we choose the good things more often than the bad things.

 

I make this face when I hear AltLiters go on about their civilization, since they don't strike me as a particularly civilized bunch. The concept of "western civilization allows Northern Europeans to take credit for the achievements of Greeks and Romans made at a time when their own ancestors were worshiping trees and running around in blue warpaint. Appiah asks: "How have we managed to tell ourselves that we are rightful inheritors of Plato, Aquinas, and Kant, when the stuff of our existence is more Beyoncé and Burger King? "There is no such thing as western civilisation | Kwame Anthony Appiah I really admire many achievements of the Europeans: democracy, rule of law, human rights, due process, equal protection of the laws, and Judeo-Christian concepts of justice, peace. love and understanding. All wonderful values that should apply to everyone. Unfortunately, some of the folks who like to talk about these values don't practice them--even back in the day. My people of the Five Civilized Tribes were subjected to the "Trail of Tears", when white folks taught us how dedicated they were to the values of western civilization by forced relocation of my ancestors from their homelands in the Southeastern United States to our present location in Oklahoma under the Indian Removal Act of 1830. Many died along the way from exposure, disease and starvation. How uncivilized. And now we see folks in MAGA hats extolling the wonders of western civilization while supporting the Savage in Chief and his attacks on democracy, the rule of law, , human rights , due process, equal protection, peace, love and understanding.

Gandhi also said when asked what he thought of western civilization "I think it would be a good idea." Wise man, that Gandhi!

 

In my lifetime, my government has never represented its people, or worked for their good. It makes me very sad.

 

Well aren't you special. My ancestors were here to greet yours. That was their big mistake. We know full well the problem of undocumented aliens and refugees seeking asylum. The Chickasaw at the time of the invasion were sedentary maize cultivators of the Plaquemine subgroup of the Mississippian culture noted for mound building and complex stratified societies. Our homeland was in northeast Mississippi and Tennessee. You illegal aliens moved in, and before we knew it, we were being deported to Oklahoma!