Mass Shooting 13 Dead Thousand Oaks California

But maybe kill fewer people, because the weapons would be more primitive. If you aren't a gun lobbyist yourself, you might as well be, because you spout the same dumb propaganda.

 

That doesn't describe most of the mass murders that have occurred during the past couple of years at all.

 

Exactly, the gunman who killed a dozen people at a Thousand Oaks bar and dance club has been described as a troubled loner, tormented by demons from his time as a Marine in Afghanistan.


Not a person from a socio-economically deprived neighborhood who’s only option is a life of crime and violence because that’s all he knows

 

Statistics show little correlation between gun availability and homicide rates. It seems that even primitive weapons are good enough if someone has decided to commit a murder.

Why thank you. I'm flattered. I'm mostly a grassroots activist, but I did play a very small role in the Heller case.

All I do is point out facts. That's not such a terrible thing to do.

 

Mass murders make up a very small portion of homicides.

 

You have presented good questions. The problem which I see in your claim is this: The government prosecution is AFTER THE FACT, it is after the innocent people are dead! I would like to see a serious reduction in violence. America is the most modern and most advanced nation on our planet. America now needs to learn the basic concepts intrinsic to civil society. Our constitution is a social contract. The American people have a right to demand a safe life in a civil society.

 

We're talking about mass murder, not "homicide"., It's easier to kill large numbers of people with a gun.

 

Tell that to the parents of the victims. Are human lives just statistics to you?

 

It is if the facts are out of context and misleading. That's what "spin " is all about, and it's terrible if it's done on behalf of mass murder.

As the saying goes, "figures don't lie, but liars can figure". Whose "statistics show" that? What populations are they including? According to FBI and CDC statistics, most homicides in the United States are committed with firearms, especially handguns, and the CDC says these gun killings are on the rise. You suggest otherwise. What's your source?
Gun Violence | National Institute of Justice
Homicides using guns up 31 percent, CDC finds
FastStats
FACT CHECK: Are Four Times More People Stabbed to Death Than Killed with Rifles?
Gun homicides on the rise, CDC says - CNN
In most parts of the world, guns aren't readily available, so they use knives. Before guns were invented, they used spears, swords and bows and arrows. But where guns are available, they use them, because they're more efficient and can kill at a farther range.

 

Your reply here is basically why the rest of the free world thinks the US is nuts

The same number of people would commit violent crimes? No man, NO NO NO NO NO

The US is pretty much alone in this in the first world, no other first world country has a homicide rate close to yours


Not being able to own a gun / Freedom is everything, dafuq is wrong with you all?

 

And the rest of the free world knows that nothing puts a damper on your freedom like being shot to death on a night out at the club.

But hey, #FREEDOMISNTFREE #THOUGHTSANDPRAYERS #GODBLESSAMERICA

 

And here you've unwittingly demonstrated this thing you call "spin." According to you, anyone who believes they have a right to own a gun for home protection, and tries to defend that right, is doing so on behalf of mass murder. Nice spin.

I assume you're in lockstep with the others in this thread who advocate a nationwide gun confiscation operation. Yes? No? Maybe?

No comment?

 

Coming from the guy who couldn't even get the homicide rates of his own country right kind of takes the sting out of your question here.

 

Man who survived Vegas shooting died in Thousand Oaks massacre

 

Low estimates are 50,000 defensive gun uses per year. As far as how many times criminals have used guns to commit crimes, the only stat that I can find is how many homicides are there which is 12,000.

 

How Often Do People Use Guns In Self-Defense?

 

Bullshit.

 

I do care, however I don't support legislation that is unconstitutional and/or don't work.

Because there's probably at least twice as many "extended" magazines as there are firearms which is currently standing at 400 million, first of all. If it's logistically impossible to confiscate 400 million firearms, how much more impossible to confiscate at least 800 million extended magazines? They aren't regulated in most states and require no background checks.

Secondly, the size of a magazine has little effect on how much carnage someone with ill intent can inflict. For example, the Virginia Tech shooter used 10 round magazines. The Sandy Hook shooter reloaded before he even emptied his firearm. The Parkland shooter also used 10 round magazines. The list goes on.

Which is why I'm against most restrictions. By your own admission, one successful passing of restrictions would lead to other restrictions.

 

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Firearm Violence, 1993-2011