Hundreds of children being taken from their parents at US border

It’s not just the right, but sounds like the left threatens violence against some in the Trump administration thus the need for the press secretary to have secret service following her. There’s no saints on either side.

 

Trump: "we've got to take the children." Good job,asshole.

 

It has been weird watching this unfold. Following people home and harassing them, threatening their family members and children, shouting down anyone who doesn't toe your line, real Nazi-esque shit. And it's coming from the people who claim to be the most tolerant and peaceful. Go figure.

I keep wondering if someone put something in my pot that puts me into perpetual opposite-land. A totally shitty idea for a theme park!

 

Can we expect a person born into such privledge to really have a firm moral compass and sense of compassion, particularly given who her father is?

I think it's an important question, and I think it could go a long way to explaining the behavior of this administration to the situation at the border.

 

It's not just "the left" that's doing this...

I live in rural Ohio which is very much "Republican" or better put "Trump supporters" that vote Republican. If you make it known you don't believe what they believe they will "Follow people home and harass them, threaten their family members and children, shout down anyone who doesn't toe their line, real Nazi-esque shit." That's if they don't just flat out run you off the road first or shoot your dog, "just because"...

So, Yeah... Go ahead and say it's all coming from the "left". It's not.

 

Well you always know where someone's heart is by who they are willing to accuse and who they're willing to excuse.

That's a McFuddy original. Feel free to quote me.

 

I guess like so much about human behavior it has a lot to do with environment and such. I see your point. It seems with the affluent so much has to do with one simple thing though: Does Affluent Family X believe their wealth comes to them because they believe they are better and therefore deserve it, or not. And, consequently the belief that those who do not possess wealth must not deserve it.

The Calvinist underpinnings of our social and economic structures are a disgrace.

We should certainly demand they empathize with the rest of humanity, particularly those fleeing the types of situations we see with those coming to the border.

 

Who are you quoting? I think you may be responding to the wrong post.

 

Their are no winners in todays political climate.And the biggest losers (the american people)are busy arguing over which party is better.Meanwhile they are stealing us blind.I saw a story today,that says the Trump Administration wants to make the ACLU reunite the remaining children with their deported family.No you tell me,what does the ACLU know about finding people in foreign countries.Laughable! It seems that it is unamerican to be american these days.Go Figure!

 

It has the effect of giving unearned government power to an outside, non-government agency. So I have to question the validity of the offer.

 

It is possibly them being sarcastic or they might really be that clueless. It is obviously not the problem of the ACLU to find them even if they were able to find kids outside the USA. What kind of mentality came up with the separation at the border? Anybody with any sense would have had kept documents on every person detained and cross-referenced each case according to the group (2 or more) so they could be reunited. Of course, sending them back where they came from without separating them could have been done, too. Or, they could have even let them enter the country since they risked their lives to get to the border. Maybe punish employers who hire illegals and concentrate on real crimes at the border.

Sessions is from Alabama. Alabama found out the hard way what happens when you don't have "illegals" to work the fields. The crops fall off the vine or drag it down and it all rots. The farmers can't or won't pay decent wages and the gringos are not going to do that backbreaking work all day. Who cares if they cross the border? Put the burden on the employers who hire them. If they don't break any laws, it did not cost the government if they work in the sizzling sun all day or panhandled.

If they turn the United States into a country full of Make America White Again and the dinosaurs who are running it, they won't have to worry about foreigners coming to the USA. They will avoid it and the natives may flee, at least until they get that wall built.

 

Most of the Americans I know don't want hoards of illegal Swedes invading the border either. It has been the hard left who saw the issue through the lens of racism. But for them it's just a tactic. They surely know the US has never been an exclusively "white" nation, but it does make ginning up guilt much easier. My own experience has played into this a few times. I'm originally from San Rafael California, now I live in Atlanta.

When I was sucking up to my corporate overlords, I agreed to move to the offices in Atlanta. Almost instantly I had visions of cross burnings every weekend, cops beating black people in the streets, klan bake sales and rebel flags hanging from 3/4 of the vehicles. None of that has panned out. The only KKK I see is on TV news shows. Alabama has always been a resource rich (they even have oil) but poorly managed bible belt state. I was surprised to learn they have a large Laotian community there, but they have had a substantial Hispanic population for decades.

As bad as things are, I see no potential for regression into racial segregation, I see no potential for a revival of Jim Crow laws (most championed by democrats) and anyone who thinks slavery can be made legal again should seek therapy (it's a scare tactic aimed at really stupid people). Most of the issues being pandered off as American racism are matter of wealth and class, not race. But race sells papers and ad space, class doesn't.

We must all strive to avoid being manipulated by media pundits or we'll find ourselves walking off a cliff.

 

Being born into a wealthy family doesn’t render someone compassionless. Compassion is a choice. You could be born in poverty or wealth, and it would still be a choice.

 

That's great that you don't see all those KKK gatherings and Rebel flags. Nobody said anything about bringing back slavery. Swedes will not be invading the USA when they have a better deal where they are from, but maybe not the weather. It was Trump, not the radical left, who referred to 's*** hole countries' and favored people from Norway to immigrate. Nobody said anything about racism against Blacks, although you don't see very many at his rallies. The point was that illegal aliens should not be separated with no way of putting them back together. Water containers meant to save lives at the border should not be emptied, either. They may get there illegally, but crossing a border doesn't justify death by dehydration.

 

Quite frankly, I am getting a little tired of people who helped Trump win ....voting for a third party or for Trump or not a all...making such a stink now....

 

If someone robs a bank ...... Someone who has kids robs a bank ...... They arrest the guy who robbed the bank ...... Then they take his kids away from him ...... BECAUSE ...... He robbed a bank ...... Criminals who commit crimes ...... Lose their kids sometimes ...... Because they CHOSE to be criminals who commit crimes ...... The bank robber was just trying to make a better life for himself ...... And his kids ...... However ...... The bank robber chose to break the law ...... So they took his kids away ...... The bank robber chose to rob a bank ...... So they took his kids away ...... Please do NOT come crying to me when a criminal chooses to break the law ...... And then the authorities take away the criminal's children ...... Because the criminal chose to break the law ...... If I sneak into another country ...... I might get arrested ...... I might go to jail ...... Please do NOT choose to break the law ...... And then complain when there are consequences for breaking the law ...... America is NOT the land of free cake and ice cream for everyone ...... America has laws ...... Please observe them ...... Please accept responsibility for your own choices.

 

Compassion is not everyone's strong suit. It is good not to sneak into another country. The average American does not often need to sneak across a border. It makes for awkward circumstances. Conversely, many of the people south of the border might possibly be fleeing extreme poverty, drug wars, paramilitary groups sponsored by outsiders or homegrown problems and unrest. None of this makes life very pleasant no matter the cause.

Crossing a border by itself is basically a victimless crime. Kind of like smoking marijuana, which is also illegal. People can go to prison for years for that.
Just for fun, let's pretend that Trump and Sessions are doing the right thing to lock up everybody crossing the border. When these people are locked up, keeping track of those who were separated from each other would be helpful, especially if it involved minors. This is important so they can find their family members. At least the bank robber referenced probably knows where his or her kids are unless they quit him while he is locked up.

When you find these people living and working in the USA, the employers could be punished. They hired them.

It is doubtful these illegals will get much free cake and ice cream. However, if they do not steal anything, they are not hurting anyone, maybe they could be let alone. If they are begging for cake and ice cream, it is up to the giver to give or not give any amount of free cake and ice cream. If they are not stealing and are picking the tomatoes, lettuce and grapes that natives won't pick because of low wages or better alternatives, it is something we will all be thankful for when we eat.

It's like the European who complained about North Koreans getting caught hiding in China and being sent back to labor camps in North Korea. His contention was 'Don't do it!' while having no idea what they were facing even before they were not free. Later he read about defectors and even former guards who defected from these prison camps who spoke of how people would be killed there. He then said he understood why they would try to flee. Everything we do has consequences. Sometimes it's out of the fire into the frying pan.

 

The issue is Obama chose to not call the crimes criminal, thereby avoiding the separations to some extent. Whereas Trump is moving the crime to criminal status in order to take advantage of the separation aspects. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, he is simply using the laws as they are written. And throwing it to the courts to determine.

One thing Trump said which I agree with. In our present system, if someone steps a foot onto our soil, even illegally, it takes us multiple lawsuits and multiple years to send them back home. I hope that gets resolved. If you come here illegally, they should be on their way back home with their kids within 60 days. Not 5 years.