The Donald Trump Score Card

I wouldn't get too excited about this. The burden of proof will likely be applied. How many of these people will have paperwork to verify parenthood? Since just over 10,000 children have arrived at the border alone, it's unlikely the detention centers will be celebrating Bastille day any time soon.

 

Oh, that's rich. Hillary was a "Socialist", in the same category with Antifa. And what was Bernie? And you're not ideological, oh no, not you!

 

I agree. Some of the parents have been deported already without their kids. What are the chances these families will ever be reunited? The kids, traumatized and damaged, will be essentially orphaned, probably entering the foster care system in this country. And they will continue to be our problem. And future right wing demagogues will gripe about what a burden they are, and how that proves those people can't be let in here. Or will we ship the kids back to Central America without their parents and just dump them?

 

I'll let you explain it better than the Obama supporters trued to. Show me who is lying please.

I can link many other lies if you like.

Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went viral showing locked-up immigrant children — and Trump's facilities look the same

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Judge Orders Release of Immigrant Children Detained by U.S.

Now then you will spout well you can't believe anything off the internet. It's Russian Bots spreading pictures that don't exist. Then you will also state that the only beleivable information will be your sources.

I am happy to link others but go ahead and fact check these. We'll wait.

 

Oh, yeah, this all helps the children and everything else...the blame game on and on and on and on.

 

and I noticed my cry emoticom says sleepy from before earlier today....no....it was meant as a cry...i don't know the emoticoms that well, obviously...so I will just write out the words of how I am feeling from now on.

 

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The difference is that Trump's policy aims to prosecute every single illegal border crossing, including asylum seekers. Obama did not do that. Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School says "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent. Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification.There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe." Also, there were instances of unaccompanie minors showing up at the border. These obviously had to be housed without their parents, because there were none. Once again, your effort to show a false equivalence falls flat. I wouldn't call it lying, but it's deceptive--a function of faulty information sources. Henry Blodget's Business Insider caters to the Republican business community and has been criticized for quick and dirty reporting. After being sued successfully for securities violations, Blodget was permanently barred from the securities industry and now supports himself by publishing Business Insider.
Fact check: Did Obama administration separate families?
Trump’s separation of immigrant families wasn't Obama policy
Trump cannot blame policy of separating children on Obama
How Trump's zero-tolerance policy differs from the ways Bush and Obama treated immigrant families | Immigration | Dallas News
Trump's DHS Secretary Claimed Obama Separated Families Too — Here’s The Truth

 

I dont see where it states that children were seperated from their parents. This addresses the condition of detention centers where mothers were held WITH their children, as well as unaccompanied minors that arrived alone. And i have no problem calling out the Obama administration, his administration wasnt particularly kind to immigrants either, although he did introduce DACA s thats something. But these detention centers weirded me out before Trump was in office. Much more so now that policy has changed, however

But children werent taken from their parents under Obama's administration or anyone else..except Trump. You do realize thats what we're talking about, yes?

 

You can breath easy Moonglow. The Butthole in Chief just gave in and signed an order to reunite the families. There is hope for our world.

 

From your own above link:
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Obama policy
Immigration experts we spoke to said Obama-era policies did lead to some family separations, but only relatively rarely, and nowhere near the rate of the Trump administration. (A Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman said the Obama administration did not count the number of families separated at the border.)"

OK so by their admission here, you are going to argue that since it didn't happen as much, it therefore didn't happen? Awfully convenient they didn't keep count. So therefore we can just assume it wasn't much so its OK. Good left logic there.

I will totally agree that Obama was soft in his enforcement of this law. And Trump is not. The same laws are being used, they are just being enforced more strongly. Trump got elected partially by his stance of cleaning up immigration. Clinton did not.

If he had, maybe we would not be spending the fortunes needed to find them, round them up, try them, and deport them now.

Right now if I were an immigrant thinking about going to the U.S., I'd probably think better of it. Trump message sent.

I still have not seen anything presented that says Obama did not hold kids in the same detention centers being used now. Which was the lie I was accused of spreading. He didn't take as many from parents as Trump, probably because they didn't come with parents like now. But they admitted they simply didn't count them. There was a huge influx of children being sent supposedly from crime ridden countries proclaiming America as the only place they were safe. Bypassing the wonderful social programs that Mexico has been touted as offering earlier in this thread.

 

Bernie was an admitted socialist and had a lot of forward thinking plans. Hillary was a closet socialist would likely have morphed into a full blown commie had she won the keys to the kingdom. After being stabbed in the back by the democrats in 2008, she was out for blood. It's looking more and more like the Clintons were torpedoed by their own party as a hail Mary. Had she won, there'd be a lot of those mysterious accidents on the hill.

 

I always kind of thought of Hillary as a neo con in centrist clothing.

 

Nonsense.

 

Bingo! That's exactly what she is. Like Bill, she'd probably pursue a policy of triangulation on domestic issues--as systematically centrist as could be--much like Obama on civil rights and immigration, but centrist on other issues. On national security measures, she's a hawk. On trade matters she's more Republican than Trump.

 

It didn't happen nearly as much or as long, to the point of being negligible. From my own source. The erstwhile Trump policy of family separation was systematic and massive: over 2,000 at last count. This difference in degree is great enough to be a difference in kind. Putting Humpty back together again will be a formidable undertaking.

 

Yea, I can see that. But I'd wager it's more of an act.

 

I never thought Hannity had that much influence on white American men?

 

Yes, but the DHS and Border Patrol didn't track which kids belonged to which adults nor where they were shipped off to... some were relocated enough times to be "lost in the system". There's at least one three month old child that was shipped to Michigan of all places. The original intent was to never reunite these families.


The best this EO will do is to stop the process from here on out and maybe give a couple of kids back... hopefully to the right parents. (or not)

 

And she voted for the Iraq war

 

Sessions suggested taking their DNA to verify.
Sessions: U.S. may use DNA to verify family relationships at border