Americans across the board are seeing a decreased quality of life within the last couple of decades. I'm not saying white men dont have legitimate complaints. Men who maybe could have have supported a family on one income 30 years ago and now are lucky to make $10 an hour today. I get that. But being the victim of difficult economic circumstances is not the same as being purposely oppressed due to your race. And for those who do think they are being oppressed, I think they should look long and hard at who their oppressors actually are because it isnt any minority group There isn't really any justification for white supremacy either way. Scapegoating minorities for one's problems is evil and marching around with Nazi flags and spitting on the proverbial graves of WWII vets who fought against this shit is just plain unamerican.
I was at a counter-protest to a white nationalist pro-Trump rally in Portland Oregon on August 6th and there were some fists flying, but it never turned into an all-out riot. But after Charlottesville the tensions will be riding high. If these white nationalists have any sense they'll start holding their rallies indoors with security outside. Otherwise Charlottesville may be remembered as "the first sign of violence" in these counter-protests.
I've run out of likes, and simply could not pass this by... This is SO on point! Very well said, Meliai.
And just how often do we see that crap? When was the last time you saw a REAL klansman? They are a puny minority of the white population and nationally they couldn't muster enough people to equal the non-white gangs in a single major city. So holding them up as "typical" examples of white people's attitudes is trite at best. At its worst, it's pure racism to make such a leap. Most white people in the US are not racists. Or we'd have a very different nation, surely that's readily obvious. A LOT of progress has been made in a fantastically short period of time. But that just doesn't seem to be good enough for some folks.
Being told you're a racist from grade school on up, just for being white, has an effect on people. I've been hearing this shit since the 70s, how evil and nasty "The White Man" is. But thankfully it's not "racist" to bag on white people. It's more like a sanctioned sport. Look how fast this asshole in Charlottesville is being painted as a "typical" example of the seething hatred that "ALL" white people have (nevermind he killed a white woman). But notice how nobody is organizing a march for this loser. Must be a cultural thing!
???? I'm white. My family is white. Most of my friends are white. I definitely dont hold these fuckwits up as the ultimate example of whiteness, trust me.
The media finds these fringe activist groups who hate each other, and stirs up controversies just to hype up gang wars like Charlottesville. The main reason they're doing this is to take away our constitutional amendment to freedom of assembly.
I havent noticed any assumptions being made As a white person I can't really relate to your experiences at all..I don't feel like anyone has ever tried to make me feel guilty for being white or made me out to be a racist just because I'm white I assume by assumptions you mean some people have equivocated all white people with these white supremacists? But I havent really seen that at all.
Dude, you must have grown up in a weird place. No one is holding this Charlottesville idiot up as an example of ALL white people. Wherever did you get that idea?
I heard a report that one reason the Charlottesville police didn't act in a more deliberate manner is because they were outgunned by the Nazis and Klan. But I can't confirm it.
Some sources are saying that the Unite the alt-Right organizers had a permit to protest. And it was the mayor of Charlottesville took away that permit and allowed the violent counter-protest mob to show up, and that's when the police dispersed and allowed the riots to ensue. If that's the case, then the violence wouldn't have happened. The ACLU is defending the alt-right's freedom of speech. Even though I can't stand what the alt-righters and the ethno-state freaks are advocating, they do have freedom of speech. So it sounds to me like, once again, the violence is the responsibility of the counter protesters who fucked it all up. I'll put my money on the theory that the police were ordered to stand down and let the riot materialize for political gains. One young woman and two helicopter pilots were killed.
I see, it was the victims' fault. There's no question the Nazis had a right to protest, and there's no question that others had a right to counter protest. The problem is that a very large group of Nazis marched on Friday night. The permit was for Saturday, not Friday. The march was a torch light march meant to invoke the Nazi Hitler Youth marches. The Nazis wore matching uniforms similar to the Nazi Youth uniforms, khaki shorts and white shirts. They marched in lock step bearing torches, as the Nazi Youth did, and shouting “Blood and soil!” “You will not replace us!” “Jews will not replace us!” The march was not meant to be an exhibit of tolerance and peace and was illegal. They converged on a statue of Thomas Jefferson, where they were met by 20 university students of mixed race and gender who had encircled the statue, I assume in an effort to protect it. 250 Nazis encircled the 20 men and women students and began taunting them. That's when the violence started. The students were stationary. The marchers attacked them. http://youtu.be/IzZb6kfctEU On Saturday the Nazis returned ahead of the legal time for the protest, counter protesters also began arriving. A large number of the Nazis were visibly armed with long guns, pistols, clubs and shields, they were clearly ready for violence. Many counter protesters also had shields and clubs, but no guns were visible. Insults were traded by both groups. At 9:30 30 members of a Christian clergy group began singing as 20 feet away the Nazis shouted, "Our blood, our soil." Then 36 members of a self styled right wing militia group in full camouflage marched into the midst of the two groups fully armed with semiautomatic rifles and pistols. This greatly concerned the police. By 10:30 the protest was descending into chaos. The Nazis had agreed to enter the park from one entrance only, the counter protesters from another, inorder to allow the police to keep the groups separate. But the Nazis began entering on the counter protesters' side, against their agreement, in an effort to disrupt the counter protest. 24 counter protesters formed a line to stop them. The Nazis charged the line with clubs, shields, chemicals, and fists. Again, the counter protesters were stationary, the Nazis attacked. They were met with clubs and shields and the fracas was on. At 11.22 a dispersal order was issued and the Nazi groups began to leave, the counter protesters did not follow. At 1:14 the openly fascist 20 year old James Alex Fields drove his car into a group of people going to their cars to leave the protests. The counter protesters did not initiate the violence they were there to protest the hate and intolerance being openly displayed and celebrated by the Nazis and Klansmen.
So, while I was walking downtown with my sister black lives matter was out in droves, sporting signs that read, Kill All White People. My sister said something to them and I can assure you that if a white person held such a sign he would be arrested and or beaten by white and black people. I have a hard time believing that there were not victims on both sides of this event, and that all victims are strictly victims. Unforunately someone died. I have never in my life seen such signs held by white people, nor have I seen a kkk member or a white supremacist for that matter. BLM with ANTIFA went their looking to provoke and riot. I am not saying this justifies mowing people down with his car but I am sure that people from both sides were injured from that car. And also sure that we are only hearing one side of the story. When ANTIFA and BLM gather does the kkk show up to beat them up or do they let them have their say?
If Antifa is such a peaceful group, why did they bring weapons to the event and attack a CBS reporter for filming them? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkqccnXGHZE
Antifa is not an organized group. It's a term applied to autonomous groups that oppose Fascism. Some of the groups and participates are known to be confrontational and to sometimes carry clubs. That's different than the organized right wing Nazi and Klan groups that attended the Charlottesville protests. They included: David Dukes Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. This group is against race mixing, wants a Christian Federal government in defiance of the Constitution, is anti Jewish, supports American Nazis, and has been prosecuted for inciting riots. The American Nazi Party. They promote an all white socialist America and are anti Jewish. And the Traditionalist Workers Party, another socialist white supremacy group. All of these groups are anti inclusive and anti unified American. That being said the particular person on the left who attacked a reporter is to be condemned, but we don't know that he or she was a member of any organized group, in contrast to the Nazis at Charlottesville. Now as to violence. The question as I see it is how should the Nazi movement be met? Hopefully non violently. But, Nazi Fascism is extremely dangerous as I'm sure you're aware. I don't need to tell you what happened in Germany. So, while I don't condone violence...I will say....and I want to be very clear on this matter........there may come a time when Fascism must be dealt with by any means necessary, I for one, see no value in not meeting force with force if it comes to that. We fought a World War over Nazi Fascism. I have been to anti war protests, anti nuke protests, and I've been in situations of anarchy. There are times when the wolves will run rampant over the sheep unless they are stopped. This is why it's so important for Trump to call for a stop to this Neo Nazi wave that feels so empowered by his election. I'm worried that the anti Fascists are not going to let this country be taken over an they will respond with growing counter violence and even pre-emptive violence if Trump doesn't get a handle on things. I remember the Weathermen, if aroused the left can indeed be just as violent as the right. But remember in Charlottesville it was the right, not the left that started the violence and due to Trump's inept response they are now emboldened further and are planning similar confrontational actions. I'm sure there are those on the left who will respond.
Cornel West attributes Antifa with saving his life from violent Nazis during the protest https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/14/cornel_west_rev_toni_blackmon_clergy This is a complicated subject and I'm a great admirer of nonviolent revolutionaries like MLK, Ghandi, etc. I think its also important to remember they were murdered. Good people can't just roll over in the face of violent opposition. Antifa on the offense destroying private property like they did on inauguration day is despicable. But protecting nonviolent protesters from violent opposition? Cant say I have a problem with that.
Oh I just imagined it of course. Nobody would ever call people "oppressors" or "racists" for just being white. Whatever was I thinking?