How To Stop The Alt-Right

Heh, this pretty much proves my point with my troll statement in the OP when I said Progressives today believe you can't be racist unless your white, sexist unless you're male

There's no such thing as reverse racism. It goes in only one direction: anyone of any color dehumanizing a race different from their own.

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Just for the heck of it, I'm gonna pick apart this MTV freakshow of a video (just like everyone else with a Youtube channel):

Hi... what's with that dorky-ass sweater?

Really? How can you say that America wasn't great for any talented and hard working women and people of color? Every non-white (and white) immigrant who fought hard to come here would disagree with you. If it wasn't "great" for all these people, why is the whole country a melting pot of different races and ethnicities? I think America was pretty great to every non-white person in the NBA, NFL, MLB, the White House, Hollywood, Kanye West, and even people like Clara Brown who lived her life as a slave until she was emancipated at the age of 56. She later moved to Colorado where she started a successful laundromat business in Denver and owned several properties in several cities in Colorado and Rocky Mountain areas. This is a woman who spent 56 years of her life working for nothing, had her children sold away to the highest bidders never to be seen from again, and lived under REAL oppression the likes of which no living person in America has ever experienced. Yet she managed to live the American dream in an era where segregation was the law, women's suffrage wouldn't come until another 60 years later. Clara had the whole deck stacked against her, yet through entrepreneurship ingenuity, and devotion, she died a successful and accomplished woman, and that's what the american spirit is all about

Yeah, go on and tell me about how the white man and the patriarchy is keeping you down....

When we say All Lives Matter, black lives are included. The opposite of black lives matter, is "black lives don't matter."

Actually, it kind of is a thing just as black lives matter is a thing. There is plenty of evidence proving that blue lives matter is a thing that exists. There's also plenty of evidence that innocent cops were killed by Black Lives Matter without justification.
But oh wait, you are judging this only at skin depth as you imply cops aren't born with blue skin. Way to show your racism MTV.
What if.... the blue life.... was a black life? *gasp*

OK so I had to look this up and figure out what the hell they were talking about. This verb isn't even used in the proper context of their sentence structure.
"Woke" is SJW lingo for someone who is enlightened and made aware of social justice issues. So they are telling us white guys that we can't be "woke" because of our whiteness.

But wait a minute here.... Isn't the whole point of this video to explain to white guys how we can be better SJWs and how we all can become more woke? Don't you see the irony here? Am I missing something?

Ah yes, the newest word you bribed Webster to add to the dictionary. Which means the action of a man explaining something to a woman in a patronizing way.
Alright, so I'm only allowed to explain things to other men now? How ironic as she literally woman-splains this to the viewer.
Mansplaining is also the act of trying to reason with an SJW. Which I can agree is a waste of time, so I won't be doing that. I'll just be making fun of them.

Off topic.. Where is the connection between this Brock Turner case and whiteness? Yes, the judge was a horrible person, but MTV is implying the judge is a horrible person because he is white. Also, how many of us are actually judges? Not very many....

No, we don't. I don't care for her substandard music at all. She's a douchebag.

Oh, is this because he wondered off the plantation and supported Trump? It's kinda funny how you treat all black people as a protected class until you encounter one that doesn't agree with you. You harass them and accuse them of being race traitors. Assuming the way someone looks determines their ideas and how they should think? That calls for the revocation of their black card? That's the worst kind of racism, MTV, shame on you.

Nobody who has black friends would ever say that, unless they were accused of being something they know they aren't, like a racist or bigot of some kind.
Secondly, what kind of racist makes friends with people of the race they don't like?


Congratulations MTV, you went from being the iconic, legendary, groundbreaking new form of media that revolutionized the world with the introduction of the music video; and brought us iconic animations shows like Daria, Beavis and Butthead, Liquid Television. Then devolved into a shit show of reality TV marathons. And when I thought you couldn't get any worse, you've become a clone of the worst click-bait website on earth, Buzzfeed.

Hey Jafian. You liked the video. Defend it for us please.

 

How can anyone say it isn't great now? Relative to the rest of the world, certainly Putin's Russia, I think we're still in good shape, at least for the next couple of weeks, although the recent election exposed some real problems in our electoral process and the triumph of incivility egged on by Stevie, darling Milo, and the Donald threatens to bring our civilization down. The barbarians are inside the gate, but it's been a good run!

 

The reason for the focus on black lives is that a rash of publicized killings of blacks by police and/or whites during the past few years, starting I think with Trayvon Martin, created the impression that black lives didn't matter. Did the cops kill as many whites proportionally to their numbers in the population? Or did all the blacks killed deserve their fate? Some may wish to debate the point, but the phenomenon was noticeable enough to justify the movement. https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-blacks-hispanics-were-killed-173039938.html

 

Some have always been more equal than others. African-Americans like George Washington Carver, Booker T. Washington, and Clara Brown made it against enormous odds in a country where institutionalized and informal racial segregation was a reality of life until the '60s. African-Americans struggled with a history of slavery and conspicuous difference from the dominant white population. The deck was heavily stacked against them, and statistically there are still proportionally more of them at the bottom than at the top of the social ladder. America loves its sports and entertainment, and those are things African-Americans were able to excell at once they were allowed to participate. Fortunately the United States has a Constitution and political system that permitted minorities to win their rights through long and painful struggle. Hell, we even have an African-American President, who was able to win two terms in office and be voted "the most admired man in the country" against unprecedented obstruction and vile personal attacks from right wing media and Birthers led by the Donald. But the income gap seems to be widening, and elites at the top, who are disproportionately white, are able to pass their inherited fortunes on to kids who did nothing to earn them. Painful as it is to acknowledge it, self-made individuals are increasingly part of American mythology.

 

I didn't like all of it...that man explaining word my spellchecker won't let me write is kinda hokey, but I liked the part about black lives matter meaning only that black lives matter...the point you missed completely with your rebuttal which was correct but beside the point.

I also liked the part about black friends. Its a lot like the old "I'm not homophobic because I have gay friends..(who I feel justified in calling my friends because they are tolerant enough to put up with my "if-you-can-take-a-penis-you-can-take-a-joke" little digs all the time) do they support equal rights? "Well, the bible says..."

Why would a white racist have black friends? So they can tell people they aren't racist and that there's no stink at all under that overpowering fabreez smell. Racists "wash it with fabreez". A lot of them are sweet as can be to their black friends...just because you consider someone inherently inferior doesn't mean you can't be nice to them. But ask them if black lives matter, they say all lives matter.

Right. All lives matter... which is WHY.................BLACK LIVES MATTER!

 

It might be because he wandered out of the booby hatch to provide Trump with his "See, I love black people" photo op. Or it might be because of all his disruptive antics at awards shows for failure to recognized his self-proclaimed status as "the biggest rock star on the planet", or his Anti-Semitic comments about Jews running the country, or possibly his performance at the wedding of Khazakhstan's dictator Nazerbyev. I think all of these incidents can be overlooked, because I think the man is highly talented but mentally ill. But I think it would probably be "the worst kind of racism" to ignore all this just because he's black.

 

What I find offensive about the video is the patronizing effort to lecture people of an entire race and gender about how to behave. But I sure hope we aren't painting "social justice" as a bad thing, What are you, a social injustice advocate? You should be happy as a clam, since that seems to be increasing steadily year by year. And sorry to say this but your whole thread, purporting to give us "some tough lovin'" seems every bit as patronizing and condescending as the MTV video.

 

6-eyed Shaman more or less summed up much of what I find sad in the video. I'd also add that I find it sad that the channel that brought such morally depraved shows as Jersey Shore is now attempting to promote this blanket self-righteous socio-political statement on these nuanced issues.

That has not been my experience, it might depend where you live. From my perspective, I'd suppose the only reason that you feel that way, which might carry any weight is due to a larger white population, but perhaps the social standards are different elsewhere.

 

LOL

 

At some point, should we ask what is the point of focusing on this video? We were told by the OP: "Look, the whole point of this thread was to give some folks on here some tough lovin'" (Yeah, right) "and let them realize that social justice identity politics is wildly unpopular and borderline fascist. And it's why they lost in 2016. And they will continue to lose again and again if they keep this up." And so we have the illustration of "MTV's newest anti-white guy public service announcement they just aired for a couple days before pulling it from their Youtube channel after receiving hundreds of thousands of downvotes." So what? MTV is peripheral to the real world. I'm amazed that hundreds of thousands of people still watch it. We're led to believe that this is somehow prototypical of something: "social justice identity politics"--which is presumably a bad thing. As has been pointed out, the AltRight is mainly about identity politics--white male identity. If you don't believe me, check out breitbart.com. So is the problem social justice? I happen to think social justice is a good thing. That's what Bernie was into, Six-Eyed hasn't elaborated on what he means by that, but if it means the Civil Rights Acts and the Voting Rights Act, those were great achievements that I think need to be preserved and extended. But Six Eyed feels left out. How would the marginals of the AltRight fare in a color blind, gender blind society? I suspect they still might be at a disadvantage, unless something can be done about the economy and the tendency, since the Reagan Revolution, for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. That's what Bernie was trying to address, but there wasn't anything AltRight about him. Steve Bannon and Milo are doing quite well for themselves indeed, and of course I don't know about the OP, but unless some real socioeconomic justice reforms take place, the rest of the AltRight may be left behind in their basements playing video games.

 

Well said.

 

What he said!

 

College campuses are places where new forms of culture and ideas are created and fostered. The 1 in 4 women are raped lie was born on college campuses, and spread like a virus. Future leaders of the community and country attend college. To indoctrinate the future leaders of our community that censorship is necessary to protect the feelings of some individuals is a threat to freedom of speech as a whole. Safe spaces promote the idea of segregation, to bring us back to pre-civil rights laws of segregated areas for certain people.

A wise man once said "Politics is downstream from culture."

This means you cannot change political dynamics of a community, city, or country without changing or influencing the culture.

 

You're making excuses for people who aren't willing to try.

Trump doesn't have to prove to anybody that he doesn't hate black people. Just ask Jesse Jackson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K1-nzxzzug


And yes, assuming a person of a certain race has to hold a certain ideology is a very bad form of racism. Such as assuming all black people vote democrat, and if any of them don't, they are all uncle toms. That is racism.

 

The video was an example of the culture I was talking about. I believe I already mentioned that eliminating segregation in the Civil Rights era and allowing women the right to vote was a good thing. I'm not gonna go back there and find exactly where I said it, but I'll say it again..

What makes you think teaming up against straight cisgendered white men is going to help advance the cause of more social justice politics? Sounds very divisive to me. All the times in American history where the culture ganged up against a certain identity or ethnicity of people were very dark and dreadful times in American history not worth celebrating.

How would you feel if we decided to have identity politics for everyone except black people?

Lots of young niave teenagers and idiots are still being raised by MTV. (It amazes me too honestly). And I, like all the other sensible people who downvoted it and picked it apart believe it's wrong to use pop culture to perpetuate divisive hatred. Culture is upstream from politics. And preserving our freedoms and resisting sensless acts of divisionism and racism is a fight worth fighting.

If you must know, I'm doing OK socioeconomically speaking, but I could be doing a lot better. I'm not at the point of my life where I wish to be and I have many more goals to reach. I've had my share of successes and life altering failures that knocked me down. But I look up to people who had a much less advantaged life than I did who became super successful and changed the course of history despite the obstacles that stood in their way.

 

Agreed.

 

But that's exactly what the Alt Right Bannon & Company do--use a niche of pop.culture (gamer culture, social media culture) to perpetuate divisive hatred--anti-feminist and yes, racist. Milo's online harrassment of women in the gamer world and the capaign against Leslie Jones that got him banned from Twitter is a case in point. I feel for him, since I'm about to make my departure from this site. But to say Milo isn't extreme as an agent provocateur against feminism would be denial of reality. And to say Alt Right isn't racist is to focus on only one part of it. There's also Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, Matthew Heimbach and Mike Enoch of white nationalist persuasion, who are intimately connected with American identitarianism emphasizing racial and cultural homogeneity. I regard the AltRight ideologues and the MTV progressive ideologues as similar phenomena. and it saddens me that extremists of all persuasions are taking over our culture and our politics.

Human nature being what it is, there will always be plenty of extremists on all sides. I regard the extreme progressive ideologues as flakes and let them know it. And I happen to agree with you, as I've said before, that progressive politicians made a major mistake in neglecting the working class in favor of minorities. Labor used to be the pillar of support for the Democrats, back in the days when southern segregationists and blacks were also part of the Big Tent coalition and people talked about the "solid South" as a Democrat voting bloc. What happened? The Civil Rights Movement, The War in Vietnam, affirmative action and George McGovern. I happen to support affirmative action as a necessary expedient to overcome entrenched barriers and glass ceilings. At some point, however, it has to give way to economic programs that lift all disadvantaged groups. I'm not a socialist, but the relatively mild reforms that Bernie managed to get Hillary to accept are a start. I agree that the emphasis on politically correct speech is grating. But I hope you realize that propagandists on the Right, like Rush, Ann Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly and FOX are well-paid for playing on these themes for the purposes of advancing the Republican agenda that doesn't have the working class in mind at all. FOX is a non-stop propagator of andger and hate designed to divide people in order to create "wedge issues". The same could be said of Breitbart, funded by the Koch brothers and the Mercer family.

I suspect that the AltRight will soon collapse on its own weight. (1) The leadership is coming out of the closet to join the Establishment. Steve Bannon has gone to the White House for a reunion with his Goldman Sachs investment banking cronies. Milo has a $ quarter of a million book deal with Simon and Schuster, although he has run into some possible legal obstacles in allegedly misappropriating funds from a scholarship charity he formed for white youth. Trump may keep them around to stir the pot, but there may come a time when the appeal of whiny rich people wears thin. (2) fissures are already developing in the movement, especially between the prominent Jews and the anti-Semites. Poor Milo. Although he once wore an iron cross around his neck, Andrew Anglin, of the neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer, attacked him as a “Jewish homosexual,” "engaging in sneaky Jewish tricks” " to undermine right-wing movements for Jewish purposes.” (Milo is a quarter-Jewish on his mother's side, but is a practicing Catholic); (3) the gap between the proletariat of blue collar working stiffs and the lumpen proletariat of the AltRight is likely to widen. The blue collar types are deeply patriotic, culturally mainstream, and traditional in religion. Trying to convince them they have lots in common with the AltRighters will be challenging. It's the working class, not the marginals, that the Trumpsters ultimately want to retain as their base; and (4) I think it will soon be obvious that both the working class and the AltRighters will be left behind as inflation rises, automation and outsourcing continue, the gap between rich and poor widens, and the safety net disappears. As for the Democrats, they may or may not get their act together, but I suspect their recent experience will be humbling and there will be plenty of Republican screw-ups to take advantage of, now that the Republicans have total control of the government.

 

I should also add that I respect your views and recognize that some of them have validity. Sometimes the nature of these discussions cast things in an adversarial light, but you've thought your positions through more than most. Time may be running out for me, for reasons I can't elaborate on, but I've really enjoyed the discussions. Free speech is our most precious right.

 

Mac

I live in Europe and I know many Muslims some are my neighbours other I work with and the only thing THEY have done to US [me and my family] is to have been good neighbours and work colleagues.

Let’s adapt this a little -

How many Catholics did it take to commit the Birmingham pub bombings or to blow up the Brighton Hotel? It doesn't matter how many nice Catholics you meet and know, it's the fundamental ones that other ones allow by perpetuating the lie that Christianity is a religion of peace that's the concern.

How many Americans did it take to commit - the Vietnam war, the Iraqi invasion, the 1953 Iranian coup etc? It doesn't matter how many nice Americans you meet and know, it's the bad ones that other Americans allow by perpetuating the lie that the US is a country of peace that's the concern.

How many white people owned slaves? It doesn't matter how many nice white people you meet and know, it's the racist ones that the other whites allow by perpetuating the lie that white people are not all racists that's the concern.

The thing is that this slander could be twisted to try and smear any group. It’s about trying to spread fear and hate.

Its saying don’t trust anyone from the group I wish you to hate because if you mistrust them then it is easier to make you hate them.