How To Stop The Alt-Right

And of course that's what I meant. I wasn't literally saying that there isn't some KKK group that thinks that but what I meant was the majority of President Trump supporters don't believe that.

"We" being 90% of President Trump supporters.

See above.

That's not what I said. However when enough Muslims populate an area you get the problems germany and Sweden are facing as we speak (or type).

How many Muslims did took to commit 9/11? It doesn't matter how many nice Muslims you meet and know, it's the fundamental ones that the non observing ones allow by perpetuating the lie that Islam is a religion of peace that's the concern.

 

Nothing wise about you dude. we've never had a Muslim President.

 

While you defend a good principle or two, such as freedom of speech, this post smells like the rancid odor of hypocrisy underneath the artificially and supposedly pleasant cover of fabreeze.

You protest all the ists and isms of "identity politics" while using your own similar labels such as "social justice warriors" to paint those who attempt to change society for the better as fanatic crusaders.

But that's pretty much business as usual. Most racists aren't out burning crosses and ranting about "niggers". They are doing as you do..saying things that sound perfectly sensible but imply things which can can then be defended with the statement " -but I didn't SAY that". NO WONDER we have political correctness that sometimes gets rediculous!

"Microagressions"? Maybe but don't use that term if you're going to go into "victimhood" about people loosing thier sacred right to be assholes to other people...that fear is blown way out of proportion. Freedom of speech has not been threatened. You are free to go on implying hurtful things that you can say you didn't say. No one will throw you in jail.

Identity politics for everyone or no one? How about food stamps for everyone or no one? White people need identity politics like rich people need food stamps.

Safe spaces are bad? Fine, feel that way but if I'm a young queer walking down the street and notice a crowd of thugs that I just heard using the word "faggot" and now they seem to be following me, I'm going to be looking for somewhere I can hang out that has a pink triangle or a rainbow emblem where I can at least stay out of the street for a while because getting beat up is not a "microagression".

You are boo hooing about "microagressions" as much as those "special snowflakes" that you criticize. How does a place where a person can be safe from hate crime get in the way of your daily life? Oh, yeah the comedians. Yes, I'm sorry that happened. That was wrong. So now a queer kid has nowhere to go to avoid getting beat up?!

You know what? Fuck YOUR feelings! you poor oppressed victim of political correctness!

 

I’m not sure that anything can be done about the Alt Right, or that it’s important to try. Trumpsters in general have been profiled demographically as TCWMs—Traditional Christian White Males of lower SES (socioeconomic status). https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/theory-knowledge/201509/trump-psychosocial-analysis. So where does the AltRight fit in? The AltRight seems, in substantial part, to be an identity politics movement in reaction to the identity politics of the Left, which was itself a reaction to white male domination before the mid-sixties sixties and seventies. According to Bokhari and Yiannopolous, they include “the anit-femminist ‘manosphere’, "the neoreactionaries, also known as #NRx.", tribalist white "natural conservatives, etc., among other elements. Sounds like identity politics to me.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/alternative-right
And Six-Eyed Shaman’s posts virtually scream identity politics—the poor, misunderstood white male being put upon by those horrible progressives.

The AltRight. that motley conglomeration of mostly lower middle class young disaffected techies, service workers, and literati , who claimed their “fifteen minutes of fame” as Trumpsters during the recent election, is hard to characterize. But as I understand it, the Alt Right differs from the TCWMs in being: (1) younger; (2) non-traditional (i.e., countercultural), (3) mostly non-religious; (4) more intellectual; and (5) doubly marginal—both to the traditional conservative and neo-conservative elites and to the blue collar workers who make up the bulk of Trump supporters. In Marxist terminology, they are predominantly petit bourgeois and lumpen proletarian—as opposed to the blue collar proletarians who make up the bulk of Trump supporters.

Let me clarify these characteristics a little further: (1) blue collar Trump supporters generally tend to be over thirty, but the AltRighters , for the most part, seem to be under that age; (2) Alt Righters are generally non-traditional in being part of the “hipster” counter-culture; (3) most Alt Righters seem to be secular, agnostic or atheist, or non-practicing Christians and Jews; a major division in their ranks is between the anti-Semitic white nationalists like the followers of Richard Spencer and Mike Enoch, and the Semite-tolerant elements like Breitbart and Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance, who see Jews as fellow whites. (4) more intellectual, in including more adherents with college and technical educations; and (5) doubly marginal: they consider themselves “smarter” than the traditional right (Bokhari and Yiannopolous, 2016), but blue collar workers tend to regard them as geeks, weirdos and druggies. In age and intellect, they have something in common with the Bernie supporters, but are less upwardly mobile and are right wing instead of left wing in their politics.

They overlap two social categories that Marxists consider reactionary in outlook:the petit bourgeoisie and the lumpen proletariat. The petit bourgeoisie, consisting of lower-middle class self-employed shop-owners, small businessmen, clerks, etc., are rightly regarded as counter-revolutionary conservative capitalist wannabes. R.J.B. Bosworth, historian and expert on Fascism, predicted that they would become the political backbone of fascist movements as a reaction to their perceived loss of economic power and status. Marx saw the lumpen proletariat --consisting of an underclass of socially marginal day laborers, peddlers and street hustlers as potential counter-revolutionaries, as too disorganized to be reliable revolutionaries, although he acknowledged that lumpen proletrians could play a reactionary role as a “class fraction” propping up capitalist demagogues of the “finance aristocracy” like Louis Bonaparte in France in 1848. In Fascism: What It is and How to Fight It, Trotsky saw the lumpens as shock troops for Mussolini. "Through the fascist agency, capitalism sets in motion the masses of the crazed petty bourgeoisie and the bands of declassed and demoralized lumpenproletariat – all the countless human beings whom finance capital itself has brought to desperation and frenzy". That was written in 1932, so what’s new, other than the internet and social media?

These socioeconomic characteristics make the AltRight all the more status insecure than the blue collar TCWMs. They perceive themselves, with good reason, to be steadily losing ground in a world of globalization, downsizing and automation, while threatened by competition from immigrants, women and ethnic and racial minorities and disparaged by elite higher SES persons with more education who are less threatened by minority advancement and may actually benefit from globalization, immigration, and neo-liberal trade policies. They are angry, and according to the frustration-aggression hypothesis such anger is a function of perceived “relative deprivation” in relation to some comparative reference group—the privileged position of previous generations of TCWMs. http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Relative_deprivation
Progressive intellectuals rubbed salt in the wounds by castigating white males as villains, embracing liberal immigration policies, and introducing affirmative action as an expedient solution to racial and gender inequalities but one which was perceived to give special advantages to non-whites and females. Obama personified the archetype of the non-white, upwardly mobile, highly educated progressive who was perceived to look down his nose on folks like them. Hillary incarnated another archetype: the pants-suit wearing, aggressive elitist female.

Trump’s candidacy was catalytic in mobilizing these folks for political action. Early on during Obama’s first term, Trump scored points with them by questioning Obama’s citizenship—i.e., his legitimacy. Although Trump is a member of the plutocracy, his unorthodoxy and crudeness appeal to the Altright’s msogeny and hatred of political correctness, and his targeting of Hispanics and Muslims gives them some sense of assurance that making “America Great Again” means putting them back on top. Above all, by following Trump they can identify vicariously with their “Inner Bully” sense of machismo so important to marginal males. But I suspect Trump will let them down. He may call upon them if the going gets tough, but he seems to be more interested in kleptocracy than full-fledged Fascist dictatorship. Matthews remarks: "While the alt-right constitutes a big share of Trump's online support — if you've ever criticized Trump on Twitter, you've probably dealt with alt-rightists — the internet is not the real world. They're not a necessary part of Trump's electoral coalition. They're not organized enough to make policy demands of a policy administration, and too disillusioned by mainstream politics to make such demands in any case." http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained
Lumpen proletarians of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your brains!

 

Thank you for breaking that down! I feel like I understand it a little better now. Pepe I still don't get. What's the deal with the frog? Is he Kermits crazy uncle or something? I've never seen the comic or whatever.

 

So you imply everyone deserves identity politics except for white people.. Why do you support such divisionism and segregation? Keep vilifying white people as the devil: At best it's gonna prevent progressives from winning elections. At worst, we might see a real white nationalist uprising.

I guess I'm just a heartless bastard who can't seem to sympathize how some people are convinced they need safe spaces and therapy after hearing words and verbal slander that triggers them. Especially since my gay cousin gave me a faggot pass which I can use that word around him jokingly and he doesn't care. However, I wouldn't use that word loosely in public for etiquette reasons, not to be politically correct. Besides, how does a pink triangle or a rainbow emblem magically undo a triggering? And how does that keep them from getting "beat up?"

Forget about safe spaces. We should encourage "Dangerous Spaces" where we can get our ideas challenged and hear differentiating points of view, and even bad words. If your ideas and beliefs stand up to scrutiny, then you ought to be able to defend them without running away to hide in your safe space where you can curl in a fetal position and suck your thumb. If certain rude words cause such a triggering to the point it cause panic and anxiety attacks, now that's a serious problem that needs fixing. And safe spaces make the problem even worse, because every therapist knows the best way to overcome fear, anxiety, and PTSD is through controlled exposure therapy.

Political correctness is fascism disguised as manners.

 

Ok, first of all, I'm not "villifying white people by saying they don't need identity politics. Is it vilifying rich people to say they don't need foodstamps?

Why are YOU vilifying people with PTSD? What did people with PTSD do to you besides perhaps directly or indirectly cause someplace you visit to have profanity rules? I assume you don't have PTSD because if you did you would feel as I do that it's not my place to judge someone who has been through a trauma and suffers lasting and painful symptoms as a result.

Oh, cry me a river!- I can almost hear you say because you're so self absorbed like the guy you elected president that you only care about the fact that someone might tell you not to say "faggot" in some tiny corner of the world where a hate crime victim needs to relax for a while before going back out into the world which is, already a very large "dangerous space" as you put it.

Yeah, we already have it! It's called THE WORLD except, possibly these safe spaces you complain about.

People with PTSD have enough exposure therapy and it isn't "controlled". So before you bash them all as a bunch of wusses who suck their thumbs in the fetal position all day, maybe try to empathize..oh wait, that's right you can't, ....hmm I guess that makes you handicapped doesn't it.

Your gay cousin may not be a victim of a hate crime in which the word "faggot" was used as someone beat the shit out of him or threatened to but if he was and it happened here in my town there are places he could go, places with pink triangles or rainbow emblems. And if someone was chasing him he could run in and tell people what's happening, the door gets locked, the police get called and someone doesn't get beat up for another day..

Maybe if you imagine it was your cousin it was happening to you could give a shit? But, please.. don't hurt yourself.

 

Everyone knows rich people don't need food stamps. You are basically saying white people don't need identity politics. I'd agree with you as long as we take identity politics away from everyone else.

I'm not. Where are you getting this?

Did the students at Emory have PTSD before or after they saw "Trump 2016" chalked on campus sidewalks? Biatch please, the SJWs I'm talking about in this thread don't have real PTSD, they just pretend like they do.

I've had a minor case of PTSD after a serious car crash. It made me afraid of driving for a while. The worst part was having to travel through the intersection where it happened. For a while I took different route home just to avoid it. Eventually I got over it and now I can drive through that intersection without any triggering memories.

Yup that's exactly right. And that's why we gotta stop infantalizing these special snowflakes on campuses where we foster the idea that the whole world can be a safe space if we just hold our hands and work together. It's not. Harvard law school students don't wanna study rape case studies because they find it too triggering. Such fine lawyers these pathetic losers will grow up to become.

Twitter tried to turn their social media platform into a safe space for black lives matter, feminists, leftists, and allowed ISIS members to use their platform to recruit new members because it is a safe space for all wahabist muslims. While they suspended conservatives and libertarians, and altered hashtag trends to their own agenda. Now it's going bankrupt. That's the real world.

 

We've always had identity politics in the United States. Ben Franklin warned people about the danger of those Germans who were coming into the United States and could get out of hand. For a vivid portrayal of how it played out in the latter part of the nineteenth century, rent the movie Gangs of New York, with Leonardo DiCaprio. The phenomenon 6-eyed is talking about developed in the course of the Civil Rights Movement. I hope you'll agree that African-Americans were an oppressed minority in the '50s and '60s. In my region of the country, there was overt institutionalized segregation. African-Americans had to use separate restrooms, drinking fountains, would not be served in public accommodations. If they traveled, they'd have trouble finding a place to stay. And when they tried to vote, they had to take special literacy tests that Ph.D.s would have trouble passing, while whites were exempt. They attended separate and inferior schools under the slogan "separate but equal'. If a white and an African-American applied for the same job, guess who would get it. When the University of Oklahoma was ordered to integrate, African-American had to sit in the hall and hear the lectures through an open door. In 1950, when the University of Oklahoma admitted its first African-American Ph.D. student, it required him to sit apart from the rest of his class, eat at a separate time and table from white students, etc. The Supreme Court, in McLauren v. Oklahoma, held that these restrictions interfered with his academic pursuits and denied him equal protection of the laws.In states above the Mason-Dixon line, this formal segregation didn't exist, but the discrimination in housing and public accommodations was still palpable, enforced by informal understandings by realtors. hotel owners and restaurant managers. It was pretty clear that whites who didn't have to put up with these conditions, were privileged just because they were white, and African-Americans were second-class citizens, regardless of the "separate but equal" rhetoric.

At first, the Supreme Court held to Justice Harlan's dictum of a "color blind" constitution and proposed desegregation with "deliberate speed", but in the '60s, the civil rights movement was in full swing with demands that the government pick up the pace. LBJ, casting himself as implementer of the martyred JFK's civil rights proposals, introduced the controversial policy of affirmative action. It wouldn't do to bring people who had been kept in chains for centuries to the starting line of a race, remove the chains, and tell them they could compete on an equal basis. And it escalated from there. Everybody had to get in on the act--women, Hispanics, Native Americans,Pacific islanders, Aleuts. (I wouldn't know an Aleut if one came over and kicked me in the balls, but I guess they were discriminated against somewhere.) These groups did indeed have well-documented histories of being discriminated against by the white majority. Whites were of course left out, because they were considered to be the ones on top

But not all of them were! Some economically disadvantaged whites (formerly known as "poor white trash") found it hard to get out of poverty, although many were glad that they at least weren't (N-word deleted). For awhile, on some government forms, a white male would have to give his identity as "other"--not something that gave hm a positive sense of identity. And you're right--they didn't cause the problem, and it didn't seem fair they should be blamed for them. And the government, liberal media, and academics typically seemed unable to grasp this point. Some of them did. Some law schools like Harvard and the University of Michigan Law School considered socio-econimic status and region to be factors in achieving diversity. That's how my neighbor got to law school. He met the redneck Okie quota! Some of the campus ideologues were easy targets of derision. All the concern about safe spaces, politcal correctness, and institutional racism flourish in the sheltered workshop of Academia, but to us folks out in the boonies, they're only something we read about in the newspapers. But all of this gave the Breitbart agitators lots to play with in whipping the white lumpenproletariat into a frenzy.

 

You were offended because some students politicized PTSD in your opinion by claiming to have been triggered by pro trump graphiti , (which isn't really all that different from a swastika, btw) so you lash out at people who have PTSD who are triggered by words as opposed to places because those people are pretending to have it like those students. Did I get that right?

And you want an end to all these safe spaces which provide respite and safety to a group that has a very high suicide rate and is a major target of hate crimes...why because of those belly-aching people with PTSD who don't really because they say they are triggered by words?

So you got PTSD from a car wreck instead of a guy raping you while calling you a "faggot", so of course, being triggered by an intersection is understandable while being triggered by the word "faggot" isn't, so it follows in your expert opinion that a person who claims to get triggered by words is full of it especially if they want someplace to feel safe.

You can have your white identity politics..have at it! "Knock yourself out!" Give GLBT their safe spaces. And if they want to hide in the fetal position sucking thier thumb, it probably means they are a lot more aware than you are of what kind of character Donald Dump is.

 

One thing I left out in profiling the AltRight is the rich dudes who fund and run it. Dave Bannon, with a estimated net worth of $10 million--$20 million and an M.A, from Georgetown and an MBA from the Harvard Business School, began his career as a Godman-Sachs investment banker and later owner of a boutique investment company specializing in media. He then became a Hollywood Producer, networking with the rich and famous, and then Executive Chair of Breitbart, where he shilled for the billionaire Mercer family and the Koch Brothers (who also bankrolled the Tea Party). He looks kinda scruffy, but he's elitist through and through. And Palmer Luckey, Silicon Valley billionaire funding a SuperPAC dedicated to shitposting Alt Right dirty anti-Hillary memes. These folks are experts at playing on the insecurities of marginal whites threatened by women in pant suits and by racial minorities getting ahead.

 

Correction: It's, of course, Steve Bannon.

 

There was a time when segregation was openly accepted in society. My home state did not allow black people to live here until 1920. No black person walked the Oregon Trail as Abe Lincoln and many like-minded political leaders at the time wanted to keep the west white.

However, regarding segregationist Jim Crowe laws were racism was the norm has long been cast aside (At least so I've thought). I guess we have to blame the current generations for the actions of their ancestors who they never had any control over. Yeah that makes perfect sense to me.

The problem with these modern day safe-space liberals is many of them support segregating blacks from whites; they'd make the Jim Crowe segregationists of yesteryear very proud

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7228
http://www.returnofkings.com/81933/safe-spaces-on-college-campuses-are-the-new-jim-crow-laws
http://www.campusreform.org/index.cfm?ID=8172
http://ijr.com/2016/10/720736-berkeley-protesters-demanding-segregation-force-white-students-to-cross-creek-in-woods-to-go-to-class/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/20/25-nutty-demands-black-lives-matter-inspired-student-groups/

 

Offended? I find it hilarious how weak minded these people are. SJWs provide such comedy gold. It would make for a great scientific study to find out how the simple mind of an SJW works. Every year they surprise us with new source material by finding offensive material in traditonally non-offensive. They are a laughing stock of the world and in 20 years from now, people are gonna look back on them as an embarrassing point in human history. Just like eugenicists and witch hunters.

There's a difference between bullying and contrary opinions.

I overcame my PTSD by facing my fears. If you are offended by words then you should probably work on getting that fixed if you're gonna make it in this world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U

I love southpark

 

To us Okies from Muskogee, this seems like an esoteric issue. I gather this is quite the rage somewhere--most likely liberal college campuses? Some alternate universe? To college students and professors, Academia may seem like the epicenter of the universe, and it's certainly important to a good education that students be exposed to a variety of viewpoints and free speech. Of the wide range of important issues facing this country, however, this one doesn't seem like a biggie. I didn't see it in the political platforms of the parties, nor do I recall any of the candidates mentioning it. I certainly wouldn't base my opinions of the candidates or parties on where they stand on safe spaces, nor would I let it shape my overall views on liberalism, progressivism, or conservatism. Only 6% of the U.S. adult population is enrolled in degree granting institutions of higher learning, and many moderate progressives like me don't give a rats ass about the issue.

 

Woah, I'm not all into the alt-right thing but that video is pretty sad and definitely makes me understand a bit more where you (or they) are coming from.

 

There IS a difference between bullying and contrary opinion. I strongly doubt that the safe space idea came about because everyone got hysterical about someone hearing a non PC word as you suggest.

I would love to have all the LGBTs who have been murdered weigh in on this, but they're dead. But suppose they were all online reading this thread...them and all the ones who killed THEMSELVES because they couldn't take any more of the bullshit..who believe me, would NOT be laughing at your homophobic south park clip...what would you tell THEM YOUR answer is to the soaring LGBT suicide rate and all the hate crime murders? Stop being pussies and face reality?

 

Looks to me like it's just something that might have been a good idea, but just ended up being another excuse for queer-bashing.

 

"Excuse" is the operative word. Alt Right propaganda outlets like Breitbart and conventional right outlets like Fox dish out a steady diet of these issues as a means of whipping up their viewers into a frenzy: Why doesn't Obama say "Radical Islamic Terrorism",? (FOX) "Why don't store clerks say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holdiays?"(FOX) 'The solution to online 'harassment' is simple: Women should log off"'(Breitbart),'Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy' (Bretbart), 'Hoist it high and proud: The Confederate flag proclaims a glorious heritage'(Breitbart), ' "Would you rather your child had feminism or cancer?" '(Breitbart),'Gay rights have made us dumber, it's time to get back in the closet'(Bretbart),"There's no hiring bias against women in tech, they just suck at interviews" (Breitbart). Why not get into the spirit: "Fragile testosterone deficient thumb-sucking Breitbart-reading white male druggie losers living in their Mom's basements threatened by women in pants suits and black guys stealing their women turn to AltRight andTrump to make those threatening people all go away, cuz BIgDaddy says he'll make Amerka Great Again" (Okie)? Score another for free speech! Hey, I could really get into this!

 

What is it specifically you find sad? I thought it was pretty right on. I'm white, but I'm not afraid for a minute that to admit that bigotry is a primarily white problem. So much of what bigots call "reverse racism" I would call understandable bitterness.