Donald Trump

Don't worry.

I don't see The Powers That Be allowing anyone but Hillary to win the election.

 

Me neither.

A while back I had a very low opinion on Trump in the beginning; it is evident with my posting history on here. But seeing how it's now clear all the bad people clearly hate him (the Bush family, the Koch Brothers, Rupert Murdoc, Ted Turner, the Clintons, Paul Ryan, the Neocons, the Bilderbergers, Wall Street, Goldman Sacs, Silicon Valley, safe-space liberals, Saudi Arabia, Black Lives Matter, and many others). I've grown to feel like casting a protest vote for a major party candidate for the first time in my life. Gary was a disappointment, and while I agree with Jill on some things she never appealed to me much. I live in a solid democratic state (a blue state if you must) so voting republican here is like shooting spit wads at an aircraft carrier.

A Trump victory would prove that committing heinous acts of violence to intimidate people not to vote a certain way doesn't work. A Trump victory would mean the end of effective baseless accusations of racism, homophobia, sexism and more. A Trump victory would be a rejection of elite family politics (Bush and Clinton). A Trump victory would kick politically correct safe space trigger warning culture right in the teeth.

 

Which is why they'll probably take a shot at him pretty soon. They can't possibly fix the entire voting process which has worked so well for them before. When Trump decided to take on the system, he chose the easiest part to destroy from the inside first. And he did it with their own dirty laundry, decades of it. He's trying to use the same tactic with Mrs. Clinton now, but it's not as effective.

I do however think he's absolutely right in his pitch to black Americans. Democrats really have not helped them as much as anyone would have expected. This is particularly peculiar since Obama has been equally aloof about doing anything more for black Americans than fomenting anger. So many times he could have made a difference and brought the nation closer. Instead he seems to pour gasoline onto every fire that comes along.

If the vote can't be fixed and Trump supporters can't be scared away from the polls by "peaceful" protestors then the only option is to take him or someone close to him out. This is American politics we're talking about. We've had more candidates shot than actual presidents. Oddly, I don't think anyone is gunning for Hillary. I think she's perfectly safe.

 

Its also called Colonialism, Manifest Destiny, etc.


Speaking of Manifest Destiny----do you know the true purpose of Thanksgiving? In the early colonial days there was not enough manpower and supplies to clear the thick forests on the east coast and plant fields to sustain the colonies---so they acquired the fields of the Indians by killing whole villages---a typical method for many Eastern tribes that used longhouses would be to lock all of them into the longhouse and burn it down.

But it was ok----because so many indians died from the diseases brought by the white man that it was obvious that God wanted the whitemen to have this land as their own----hence manifest destiny.

Therefore after every indian village was destroyed and the fields taken over---the people would have a feast and thank God for providing them with more bountiful fields and helping them free the land from yet more heathen savages.

(This is also why there were bounties on indians----but it was getting difficult to deal with all the bodies piling up----so the authorities decided that instead of bodies, they would pay bounties on either the scalps (which is how we introduced scalping to this land) or the skin (redskins).)

By the time of Abraham Lincoln it was getting to the point that there were so many thanksgivings that it was actually affecting the Nation's productivity, so he proclaimed that there should only be one celebration a year, and made it in November (a story for you to share with your families as you sit down to a Turkey dinner this November and thank God for a wonderful year).

Building a wall on our southern border is racist and isolationist. But then forcing Mexico to pay for it has definite shades of Manifest Destiny in its thinking.

Let's make America great again!









(...you know---that is what America's agricultural produce is missing---more tropical fruits and produce. Mexico is filled with fields already cleared and producing. Trump just needs to realize this. Happy thanksgivings everybody!!!!)

...oh, and thanks Obama!

 

I've seen these claims made in different ways all over the web these days. It makes me wonder if the same can be said about the barrier between India and Pakistan, which can be seen from orbit? Or what about the wall that Mexico is planning to build on their own southern border? Can that also be considered "racist"?

I think calling it racist is the wrong characterization. Unless we plan to assign a race to the Americans, all of them. And the only way I'd buy it as an indication of isolationism would be if we also closed our air and sea ports, otherwise it's just a security measure since it will not impact immigration (the legal, wait in line like a good American kind of immigration).

What would be interesting would be the paradigm shift we'd witness if black Americans decided that the southern border was impacting them economically. After all, nobody can call them racists. We're being flooded with so many misapplications of old 20th century political ideas when so many of the issues that gave rise to them way back when have been remedied decades ago.

We live in puzzling times.

 

And have since been proven as fakes.

 

Thats really interesting because i cant find anything about it being proven fake

 

Instead of wasting your time voting for a write in, or independent. Just stay home and watch the returns, it'll clear out a little of the congestion at the polls for those that are seriously trying to elect a new president instead of making a symbolic statement.

 

I'm looking for the source of your claim. Could you site your source?

 

Trumps statement about being against the Iraq war must have been like most of the things HE'S said during his campaign, it all depends on what day and who he was talking to, and if there was a reporter within site (because we know how stupid he can be when it's just being recorded) he will listen to a claim/statement he said, then argue that he was just kidding, or it was taken out of context, or Hillary's just not being nice to me at all. Poor baby, if it's not something he wants at the minute it has to be a conspiracy against him.

 

I'm speaking to his actual statements in 2002 and 2003 regarding Iraq. Trump thought that the faltering Bush economy was the most immediate problem in the US and that Bush should not go into Iraq to satisfy his family's vendetta against Hussein.

As for a conspiracy against him, is it really so hard to imagine when there was absolutely a conspiracy against Bernie? Conspiracies are always riding in the wake of "The Clinton Machine". It's part of their charm. I'm still pretty sure they installed that bondage room in the white house.

 

Hmmm . . .

Well, until you site your source, they are not proven fakes.

 

Yes, I know....don't worry.....I would never vote just a write in, Mickey Mouse, etc.....
I have thought about it, and have to follow my heart on the matter...so I will be voting for the Kaine/Clinton ticket. I like Kaine alot....more than Mike Pence...and I fear what the other ticket would do to the Supreme Court...Anything else, it is out of my hands to worry about. To thine own self be true....and kindess is the new cool.

 

Oh, those would also be fair game when it comes to human rights abuses, except Jill Stein gave her speech denouncing U.S. human rights in Moscow.

 

No way am I getting involved in this shit but this is fucked up.

 

I do agree with you. We do live in puzzling times.

Building a wall because Mexico is sending their rapists, murderers, and killers, is racist. Building a wall because of the same reasons that Arizonan police can stop people of questionable ethnicity and demand to see their papers is racism. Building a wall because white people in those southern states bordering Mexico feel threatened by Mexicans and don’t like seeing them cross their borders with their Spanish language and their Mexican music, and because they are sweaty and smell bad is racist. Building a wall because they don’t like seeing the Mexican women come here to have their anchor babies is racist (and very misinformed). Building a wall because Mexicans are coming here and taking our jobs is racist. Making Mexico pay for the wall is racist. Taking a portion of the hard-earned, and very much needed money, from remittances going back to families in Mexico to pay for the wall is racist. Ignoring the fact that many of our unwanted industries, including harvesting fields, relies on migrant workers—primarily illegal aliens—and then wanting to stop the flow of such workers (who are willing to do the hard work) is racist, and a bit of an economic death wish (especially when even if America is at near 10% unemployment, not a single unemployed American will show up to do these same jobs, and when they try to force prisoners to do it, they are so unmotivated that the job is not only poorly done but not even finished. On the other hand, exploitation of illegal aliens also has racist elements but...).

So yes, the context of this wall makes it racist.

Building the wall also represents turning our backs on the security, humanitarian, and crime issues of Central America. For example, no more children crossing our border escaping the almost certain death and/or conscription into drug cartels that is occurring South of Mexico’s borders. No more threat of terrorists coming into the US from Mexico---let them wreak havoc down there. No more problem with the drug cartels (yeah right---good luck with that). All the problems with crime and so forth south of the border are no longer ours----even if we are the ones that are maintaining it and feeding it by our nation’s drug use, and other vices. The national security problem south of our border-----no longer our problem. Never mind the fact that even Canada, north of us takes these issues very seriously and thinks that it is all of our problem and solutions should be worked on jointly-----forget us though---we built a wall. Also never mind the fact that we no longer live in a world where borders mark a strong defined separation between politics, economics, and culture-----it is an ever increasing global world.

So yes, building the wall is isolationist, regardless of ports and airports.

The GOP is going to fight true immigration reform for years, if not a decade or two to come. We have a draconian immigration system that is very expensive to try to use to enter the country legally, even if you thought (as a poor farmer in a small Mexican village, for example) you would ever have a chance of coming here legally anyway.

I have firsthand experience with our immigration, and after travelling and living all around the world, I can tell you that it is far cheaper and easier to immigrate to just about anywhere else. Let me tell you of the problems I had trying to bring my wife (a Tijuana prostitute and drug dealer) into this country… I’m joking!!!! But seriously, my wife and stepkids are from the Philippines and we have a child who is an American citizen (because I am a citizen) born in the Philippines. My wife and I traveled to and from Tokyo regularly without a problem. I went through the US immigration process with them in the Philippines and it was not easy, it was very expensive (without any chance for a refund if nothing happened), and it was a literal dystopic nightmare. I have written about it in other threads, so I won’t go through it here.

The point is that legal immigration will not harvest our fields and do the jobs that no one else wants. It won’t enable a poor villager with no future and a starving family to come here and send hard earned money home to support his family. It won’t enable a child in Nicaragua to escape a nightmare unlike something any American has had to ever endure, and where they will most likely die long before adulthood. It won’t help a desperate father who is willing to risk every last penny and even his home and the tools of his trade in order to get his sons out of Mexico and away from the cartels that have decided they are old enough to conscript.

Now maybe these last things mean nothing to you. It is their problem. So many Americans feel that way, and besides, once in a while at church, before hearing about how we should love one another, and that all people are the children of God, they will spend a moment or so reflecting about such hardships around the world and will put a few coins in a collection plate for them. After all, if you pray hard enough God will provide. These people must not be praying hard enough. And as for us----if God’s gift to mankind (as some Christians have told me about Trump) wins the election-----God will apparently provide a massive wall.



　
　
(When you live in various parts of the world, I guess you begin to understand that we are all human. Did you know----a street kid in Manila, or Mumbai, or Mexico City laughs and wants things just like an American kid? They cry and get depressed just like an American kid. They get hurt, and they get hungry just like an American kid. Their hardships may give them a tougher shell, but inside they are no different. I helped street kids in Manila. I’ve watched street kids in other 3rd world countries. The same is true with poor farmers---they are no different from you and me.

You speak of 20th Century political ideas. But we live in a world where many multinational corporations are bigger than many 3rd world countries. And we may think of them as an American, or German, or Japanese company-----but in reality many of them are losing such distinctions. National borders are breaking down. Not in the sense of a rising New World Order or a World government (it is not economically feasible for such a thing). Rather in the sense of an ever-increasing globalism. Alvin Toffler has written of such things in his book, The Third Wave, for example, and he predicted that it would involve a reactionary nationalism, and an increased isolationism. I strongly agree with him as I have observed the impact of technology and the spread of Western pop culture into every far corner of the world. Walls like Trump's are a 20th Century mode of thinking.)

 

Trump has finally said something I totally agree with. He has challenged Hillary to take a drug test. I would add that, as long as recreational drugs are illegal in the US, everyone running for or holding any elected federal office should be subjected to random drug screenings. I want to see them peeing into little cups on C-SPAN. I got to do it, why shouldn't they?

 

Sorry but I cant take ze Russian hysteria seriously.

Any tensions between the US and Russia has to do with competing pipeline routes through Syria.

The US isnt the good guys just because you happen to live here. Open your eyes dude

 

I sort of agree except that when people get old, they tend to be on a lot of different drugs. Each one, regardless of prescription, has the potential to interact with others and give indications that may not be trustworthy. Drug testing is getting better all of the time, but it's still prone to failures for some very stupid reasons. The War on Drugs has destroyed too many people's lives for me to want to see it continue. Applying it in this manner is misplaced revenge and will only keep the problem going that much longer. It insinuates that the public actually has faith in drug testing. And plenty of us who have been caught by false positives have no such faith.

 

Maybe that possibility will convince them to rethink their positions regarding drug testing and the war on drugs. Besides, our elected officials should have to live by the same standards as the rest of us.

 

I think the "R" word has been getting far too much play these days. A wall isn't a racist act anywhere on the planet. Not in India, the Vatican nor the US. And it sure isn't Americans who are making all those "rape trees" on the border. The Mexican government denies their corruption while mass cartel graves are being discovered all over their nation. Do we want that spilling over into the US just because we're worried about people's "feelings"?

It might be different if Mexico had their shit together, but they absolutely do not. And US law enforcement is showing signs of the same kinds of failings. Not only the complete apathy toward citizens, but their inaction during public unrest is very telling. Allowing hordes of criminals to sneak in and raise hell within the US is exactly how a totalitarian government creates artificial strife ahead of justifying a national clamp down on our rights.

So obviously flinging open the gates isn't the answer. Neither is pulling the race card for everything from the wall to freakin parking spaces. I'm told these days that I'm a "racist" simply because I'm "white". That's going to be quite a surprise to the people around this planet who actually know me. Especially the ones I have trained in developing nations to run generators and water treatment plants.

See, I still believe in American altruism. It's a LOT more fun to promote that than to dwell on nebulous concepts like racism. I might be more willing to discuss racism if it hadn't become a catch-all accusation for so many of society's ills. At some point we all have to look within ourselves to fully understand our own plight. Sure it's nice to have others to blame, but that can't be the ONLY path or the accusations of "racism" are nothing but hollow insults as opposed to actually identifying a genuine racist.

I'm also disgusted with nations that shake a fist at the US while holding out their other hand for aid from those nasty, evil, racist Americans. Mexico gets over $400M a year in US aid money. Several African nations get over $1B a year from the US (nearly $50B in US money goes to the continent of Africa, $25B to Asia). Why would they take money from a nation of evil racists? Why would they line up to come to such a horrible country? And how would they fare if the US was not capable of shoring up their economies with these dispersals? We'd go back to seeing waves of famine like we saw in the 60s and 70s.

Weird how things work out. Important things happening in the background while so many people are only concerned with promoting "racism" in the US. Those cheering the demise of our nation are not looking at the bigger picture. Failure of the US economy would domino around the globe fast. Every US economic hiccough sends ripples through world markets.

 

Perhaps so, but this is a dubious "standard" that needs to go away. It's a violation of personal rights. Personally, I think this deserves the hostile protests that are currently being wasted on fake race issues. I honestly think that drug testing destroys more careers than any "savings" it provides for corporations. But then, it's not about the truth, it's about control.

And I'm pretty sure that even if they live streamed Hillary's stream, the test would STILL be rigged.