Donald Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Aug 21, 2015.

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  1. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't know about the rape allegations from either side....I was not there....so what is the truth about the rape allegations????
    We may never know.
    However, Hillary is running, and Bill is not....this time...and we do not know what goes on behind the scenes in Hillary's and Bill's relationship in private.....why should we?...and i don't give a tiddley wink about what two consenting people over 18 do in their affairs with other people. How many wives has trump had now? I do not give two tiddley winks about that, either...I care about what anyone will do in office to affect me and this country...and world....
    What they do in the bedroom is their business....if it is consenting adults.
     
  2. MeAgain

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    But I thought Trump was a businessman with contacts all over the world, a major participant in the banking and investment sector, a billionaire, one of the .01% ya know.....the establishment.
     
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  4. Okiefreak

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    Oh, I think the danger of a Trump nationalist dictatorship is clear and present. Look what Nixon was able to accomplish, and he was into his second term before the uprising began. But the opposing party, the Democrats, controlled both houses of Congress.If Trump won, he would have a Republican Congress. While there are Republicans in Congress who have expressed misgivings about him, what would they do if he won and a base of their constituents were behind him. The impeachment articles against Nixon accused him of using several agencies of the U.S. government, including the FBI, the CIA, the IRS, and the Justice Department to go after his enemies. Without either house of Congress to oppose him, and followers who dismiss the media as hopelessly biased and who (as Trump likes to boast) would literally let him get away with murder in plain daylight, who would stand in his way? Remember, Hitler became Chancellor by free election.
     
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  5. MeAgain

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    Reports are now being made that both Trump and Hillary were informed in security briefings that the U.S. is 90 to 100% certain that Russia hacked the DNC for the purpose of influencing the election. It was also reported that we release drone strikes on a 75% certainty, which means we are fully confident that the Russians hacked the DNC.

    Trump knows this, but still denies it.
     
  6. 6-eyed shaman

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    Yes, it's all russia's fault the DNC hates Bernie Sanders.....
     
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  7. Okiefreak

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    Too bad about Bernie. Having the Russians intervene so blatantly in favor of their Vladivostock candidate, Trump, is more disturbing for the future of our country. Trump praises Putin and toes the Kremlin line on virtually every issue, most recently in the debate last night when he took the Russian line on Syria and threw his running mate under the bus in the process. Why this is so is puzzling, but his tax returns--and/or those of his kids--might provide interesting insights.
     
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  8. newo

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    I saw the 2nd debate and wonder how low this election campaign will sink before it's over. It's down to cheap shots, making each other look morally bankrupt, corrupt and incompetent. Sad to say they both have a point there.

    The debate was compared to WrestleMania and if I were Vince McMahon I'd resent that remark.
     
  9. Moonglow181

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    Guys, the reason Bernie Sanders didn't win was because he was over promising things on the left, that are not going to find any support and are unrealistic.

    At some of his rallies Bernie was advocating an 80% tax rate on the rich, and that even if passed in law, is just not enforceable.
     
  11. 6-eyed shaman

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    Well if that's the case, Hillary would've had no problem beating him in an honest, unrigged election, right? No, it's Russia's fault the DNC decided to stack the deck and keep the status quo going, lol. Trump's wall sounds pretty unrealistic too, yet he got the nomination.
     
  12. GeorgeJetStoned

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    Bill is indeed running. This is a "history-making" event since he's a former president. Hillary wasn't idly decorating the white house while Bill was president. She was pushing "Health Security" though it failed. She also drove some important children's healthcare initiatives. So she didn't just make Bill sleep on the couch.

    They have always been a team, so if you get one, you get both. Bill's performance as president is where the discussion should be going. But for some reason he's catching a break and only having to weather the same old stuff he's known for privately. The fact we'd have essentially 2 presidents in place gives the US a backup we've never had before. So it's certainly worth the extra vetting.

    And proper vetting is about asking the hard questions, not the softballs that keep getting heaped onto Mrs. Clinton. So far I see her wasting time attacking a guy who literally attacks himself every time he opens his yap. She should ignore him and deliver an actual plan to turn the nation around. There's no reason a nation with such resources should be suffering.
     
  13. Moonglow181

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    I agree with that....When asked about Trump's comments that were leaked, I was disappointed...I wanted her to say....something other than attack him first last night....and then his face turned mad and he beat on her until the end.
    She should take the high ground as she said..."When they go low...you go high..."....so do that, Hillary.
     
  14. Well, I didn't mean he wouldn't be a tyrant, just not in the traditional sense. The establishment knows that the people will revolt if they're pressed too hard too quickly. So they'll just push in certain directions to get the things they want accomplished, one small step at a time, until it's too late for us to do anything about it. Look at how militarized the police are now. If we don't start cooperating as a people and learning to love one another, it's going to be too late all too soon.

    The situation in Germany in the 1930's was much different than the situation is in America today. Hitler was able to rise to power because the people desperately needed to hear that Germans were strong and vital after their devastating loss in WWI. All he did was appeal to their inner insecurity as a people. He appealed to almost every German in that way.

    I suppose Trump appeals to our insecurities about safety. But the people he is appealing to are yokels and dorks who think it's funny to have a fucked up president. It just turns out that there's a hell of a lot of yokels in America. But when push comes to shove, most of them aren't going to become Trump storm troopers. Mostly what we will have to fear is police getting the idea in their heads that Trump is cool and being a fucking dick is cool.

    I honestly don't see how the people are going to let him overstep his bounds, especially since we're all going to be monitoring his every move like fucking hawks. The Republicans aren't going to worry about voting against him, because the slack jawed yokels who vote for him aren't going to be paying any fucking attention to what is going on anyway. It will be surprising if they even become privy to the fact that nothing is getting done under a Trump presidency. If need be, they can even impeach Trump, and the Trump supporters will just hang their heads like dogs and go back home.

    We may erupt into some kind of minor civil war, but I don't think Trump will become an effective tyrant. At least not in so blatant a way as he can round up dissenters and put them in camps before the shit completely hits the fan. He'll just be a tyrant in the traditional way that presidents are tyrants; I.e. bombing countries thousands of miles away.

    That's what I think anyway. I think the vast majority of us realize that Trump is a fucking dumbass. He better not come looking for trouble in the USA if he has any regard for his own personal safety. That's all I have to say.
     
  15. GeorgeJetStoned

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    Now I hear there's tape of Bill saying "The N Word" over a decade ago. At some point we're all going to have to realize we are dealing with people from another time. Which is why they are tainted with the sins of the 20th century. If we are going to keep a microscope on the past, how do we move forward? One way I think will be to stop electing elderly leaders. They are clearly out of touch if only on that basis. But it gets much worse when you pile on the class issues. All of these upper tiers in Washington are held by the wealthy. People who have been out of touch with the rest of us for generations.
     
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  16. Moonglow181

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    Bernie was elder. I saw nothing wrong with his hipness....he was not out of touchness...so I think you are bing a bit age ist there....

    kindness, respect, awareness
    those things are ageless.
     
  17. tumbling.dice

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    I don't think that many American's actually want to move forward to be honest. The far-left needs the grievances of the past to sell their brand, to help keep the anger going so to speak. And the far-right uses to past as an example of something we should return to. They depict is a time when America was safe, prosperous and everyone was responsible for his actions (plus the kids dressed and talked like Wally Cleaver). Think Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan. Keeping all this in mind, how many people are really willing to let go of the past and embrace something completely new?

    The only areas where progress is welcomed are in technology and medicine, but that seems to be it. Politically we are worse than ever. Our religions haven't changed much. Patriotism is judged by how fervently one waves the flag instead of how personally involved one is in their own community. We get the government we deserve, so maybe we deserve these old farts.
     
  18. Moonglow181

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    AGAIN, Bernie tried to change that....
    He tried to take the power back from big business and give it back to the people....
     
  19. tumbling.dice

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    Yeah I really liked Bernie. I wanted him for the Democrats and John Kasich for the Republicans. Really issues would have been discussed and the tone of the election would have been completely different. What we have now is a farce.
     
  20. The Podesta emails: Email to Podesta from Clinton Administration Official Bill Ivey:

     
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