Hillary Clinton

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  1. 6-eyed shaman

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  2. MeAgain

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    And don't forget he has praised: Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong Un. The real worse people in the world.
    He thinks the Chinese government's massacre of students in Tienanmen Square showed strength and when informed he was quoting Mussolini he said what difference does it make?

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    I'm sure you may want to take all that into consideration when you vote.
     
  3. Bud D

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    Trump is too stupid to have total control but the Republican Party could come close with him in office. Liberals have guns and know how too ya know
     
  4. ElEyeJaw

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    she's also now got Bushes in her corner rooting for her. But not even that is enough to convince some this smells odd
     
  5. ElEyeJaw

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    Hillary Clinton also said what difference does it make.
     
  6. ElEyeJaw

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    You apparently have forgotten about the numerous acts of perjury her and Bill have commited over the last several years. last time i checked, that is something that would get folks like you or I thrown into a cell, but Bill and Hillary are not folks like you or I.
     
  7. MeAgain

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    Yes, I forgot them because there aren't any!

    Here's just one example: Clinton committed perjury.
    And this is assuming he may have lied, which he didn't.

    Same goes for Hillary.

    If you wish to discuss it start a thread and we'll go over every instance you care to raise point by point.
     
  8. newbie-one

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    "as they have been found to be innocent of any wrong doing, period. "


    The statement above in bold is false. "Wrong doing" and "misdeeds" are not necessarily the same as prosecutable offenses. They were not "found to be innocent of any wrong doing, period". They clearly did give advice on how to conduct criminal activity, and Breitbart did not falsify that.

    Tell me in what way the quotes below were manipulated as to not convey the meaning that they seem to:

    And don't say they were just playing along, and then called the police about it afterwards, because in these cases, they didn't.
     
  9. newbie-one

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-02-29/from-mussolini-s-slogan-to-trump-s-soundbite
     
  10. MeAgain

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    Then why weren't they prosecuted?
     
  11. MeAgain

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    Yes it was a maxim used by Mussolini and many others including Alexander The Great in various forms.
    It is attributed in "Duce (1922-42)" in TIME magazine (2 August 1943) ~ Benito Mussolini

    The point is that when he was told it was a quote of Mussolini's, he didn't care. He should have explained that he was using it in another context, which would be fine, but he was comfortable quoting a dictator.
     
  12. newbie-one

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    Because people don't get prosecuted for "wrong doing" or "misdeeds". A prosecutor should not prosecute unless there is sufficient evidence of a crime, and that evidence is admissible in court. The undercover video would probably be thrown out of any court in the country, since it was not obtained with a warrant.
     
  13. MeAgain

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    So what you are saying is that in your and some others view they did something wrong...but in the eyes of the law, they didn't.

    You would convict on insufficient evidence that is not not admissible in court, I wouldn't.
    Right and wrong are never as cut and dried as you would like us to believe. I don't know all the facts in the case, the numerous investigations do. I have faith in the, what was it five investigations? You have no faith in them and even though you aren't privy to all the facts, you fill comfortable judging these people. I don't.

    So that's that, you're free to think whatever you want.
     
  14. newbie-one

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    Someone who wanted to caste Trump as a dictator set him up to retweet an innocuous quote. That someone is repeating something that a bad person has also said doesn't make that saying bad, so I don't see any reason why someone should issue an apology for it, particularly in the context of a political ambush.
     
  15. newbie-one

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    No. The point of my posts has not been to try to prove that ACORN was bad, or that ACORN staffers were bad.

    You made the following claim:

    Your argument depends on the assertion that Breitbart "wrongly accused ACORN of misdeeds". Given that in several instances, ACORN staffers gave advice on engaging in criminal activity (and in the instances quoted, did not contact the police as you claimed), one might reasonably conclude that ACORN was rightly accused of misdeeds.

    My point is that your argument is invalid based on factual error in one of its essential elements.


    No. Prosecutors don't haul people into court willy-nilly for "wrong doing". The application of criminal law is fundamentally concerned with the question of illegality, whether or not someone has broken the law.

    No court of law exculpated ACORN of "wrong doing", or even deliberated on the question.

    Your assertion that ACORN has been "found to be innocent of any wrong doing, period" is factually in error.

    It begs the question, and in fact, I am not concerned with judgment of ACORN.
     
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  17. MeAgain

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    So you aren't contending that anything done by ACORN was bad...just wrong? What's the difference?

    And your point is that even though you don't know all the facts and the 5 investigations do, you can safely conclude that the only reason possible for those statements was to give advice on how to commit criminal activity, one might reasonable conclude that your reasonable conclusion isn't reasonable.

    The L.A. office would not assist them in illegal activities.
    ​The Philadelphia office filed a police report.
    ​The San Diego office reported them to the police.
    The California AG tells us the San Bernardino office caught on to the interviewers and played along with them.
    New York City investigators tell us that the edited tape appears to show ACORN giving advice on how to hide money from prostitution, the unedited tape does not.


    That's your opinion, my point is that factually 5 investigations found no criminal activity, any other conclusion of "wrongness" is only opinion.

    You associate wrong with your opinion and values, even though you don't have all the facts.

    Exactly, it;s not an issue.

    Okay, I'll revise that statement as I was using the term "wrong doing" in the criminal sense and you wish to include value judgments.

    Breitbart aired a video that insinuated that ACORN committed illegal acts, they did not.
    He admitted he didn't know what was on the tapes yet he aired them as part of a personal vendetta against ACORN.
    So what it comes down to is that you believe Breitbart is a Legitimate news source even though five investigations found otherwise in the ACORN case, and you stand by their posting of the Clinton Cash video...am I right?
     
  18. 6-eyed shaman

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    Are you telling me that Iraq and Libya are better off after Dick Cheney and Hillary Clinton? If you insist, OK then. Saddam was an asshole, but Iraq was much better off under him than after Dick Cheney and W's liberation movement. The people of Libya loved Gaddafi. The only reason the west hates Gaddafi is because the media tells us to hate him. "We came we saw he died" - some serial killer you know.
    How is calling Kim Jong Un a maniac a form of praising?
     
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  19. MeAgain

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    We're talking about Trump's infatuation with dictators, not the conditions in Iraq or Libya.

    I'm not going to go through each of his quotes on these guys, you can look them up, but I'll just post one to give you an idea what I'm talking about.

    This is typical Trump talk. He tells us Kim Jung Un is "the boss", and incredible for killing off his top generals, and then turns around and tells us we better not play games with him.

    He did the same with Tienanmen Square, etc. The point is not that he doesn't realize these things are wrong, the point is he admires the strength these dictators and governments use to quell those who are against them. He admires absolute power, and that is contrary to our form of government. Yes he tells us Kim is a maniac, but he also clearly admires how he handles his country.

    Taken as a single quote, there's nothing wrong with what he said here, and not much wrong with his other quotes...but taken as a whole and coupled with his desire to illegally torture people, to force our military to murder innocent people, his desire to ban all Muslims from temporarily entering the States, he's branding himself as the "law and order" candidate, his insistence that only he can right all wrongs and only he has all the answers, his acceptance of chants of "lock her up" at his rallies, his offer to pay the legal expenses of anyone "knocking the hell" out of protesters at his rallies......and then his denial that he ever said or condoned these things, or his reversals when called to task...these quotes about dictators take on a new light.

    They show someone who admires concentrated power in a single person or governmental agency.
     
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    I don't understand people that say Hillary is a hawk. Trump is the biggest hawk around.
     
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