Clinton Or Sanders?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Sep 18, 2015.

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Who would you prefer as Democratic Candidate for President in 2015?

  1. Hillary Clinton

    14 vote(s)
    18.4%
  2. Bernie Sanders

    62 vote(s)
    81.6%
  1. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

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    It seems pretty apparent to me that Bill Clinton's dick was all over the place. Yet Hillary stayed with him.

    Now you give me a really good reason for a strong, intelligent woman to do that.

    Apart from being power hungry that is.
     
  2. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I think Sanders is awesome for not giving up yet. Much respect for and power (and votes) to this guy! It's not over until it's really over :cheers2:
     
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  3. Meliai

    Meliai Members

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    I could say the same thing about Clinton supporters that they're showing their age by being condescending and insulting.

    I dont really see a point in belitting each other though.

    A couple of points - I personally dont like the idea of superdelegates any better than I did, but I do better understand their purpose now. And I understand they vote at the convention, not on twitter.

    Also, the DNC knows it cannot tell young Sanders supporters to go to hell. That would be political suicide. There is a reason Hillary has moved to the left. She can't win with her older more conservative supporters alone. Sanders supporters have a lot of political clout regardless of who gets the nomination. And the majority of them identify as independent and have no party loyalty. It would be stupid to alienate them.
     
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  4. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    How dare they act as if it matters who has the most votes!
     
  5. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    The "superdelegates" job is to make sure the Democratic nominee can beat the Republican nominee... (FULL STOP)



    If they side with one candidate over the other for some other reason they are not doing their job.
     
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  6. Meliai

    Meliai Members

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    Of course it matters.

    But it doesnt really give anyone the right to be a dick.
     
  7. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    It's their job to reverse the popular vote, but only if something extremely weird is going on. Otherwise, they are expected to respect the majority vote at the polls. There is nothing particularly odd about this primary election season, just two candidates going at it hard.

    Trump has spent thousands of hours bashing Hillary, but no time or effort at all going after Bernie, because he never expected to face Bernie in the general election. So, we'll never know how effective Trump could have been in pulling down his popularity.
     
  8. YouFreeMe

    YouFreeMe Visitor

    I don't know her, or her reason. I don't know her marriage, either. And neither do you.
     
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  9. Wizardofodd

    Wizardofodd Senior Member

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    Perhaps they should go with the person who is nearly 11 points ahead of the Republican instead of the person who is currently polling behind the Republican nationally. Has Hillary ever started to climb in the polls in an election once she started to decline? I bet not (although I'm not 100% for sure). I'm pretty sure that once she starts to drop...she just drops and that's what seems to be happening this year.
     
  10. Who really knows who has the most votes. They've discontinued exit polling, which is supposed to protect us from voter fraud, because the polls have been so far off the actual results. So we're told that exit polling isn't any good. OR maybe voter fraud is occurring, like people seem to think it's occurring. And what if independents had been allowed to vote instead of all these closed primaries? Who would have had the most votes then? (Barring voter fraud.) And what if the media hadn't told California, for instance, that the race, which is still on (Hillary doesn't have enough votes to clinch the nomination) was over? 18,000,000 people registered to vote. How many supposedly turned up? 6,000,000. What is going on here?

    Karen, are you really this much in denial, or do you like saying inflammatory things? This election cycle is VERY odd. How can you just ignore the fact that one of the candidates is under FBI criminal investigation? She may be indicted. How can you ignore the fact that Hillary and Trump are the two most unpopular candidates in history? Bernie still stands a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary does.

    And Drumpf hasn't spent a thousand hours bashing Hillary. He's barely even started bashing Hillary. Are you Clinton supporters just trying to change the narrative so it seems like she's weathered the storm? She hasn't. It's only just begun! :O
     
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  11. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    There are plenty of good reasons not to vote for HRC, but what Bill did with his dick isn't really one of them.
     
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  12. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Hillary Clinton is not under FBI criminal investigation.

    Wash. Post: Officials Say Clinton "Is Not A Target" Of FBI Probe. The Washington Post reported that government officials said Clinton is "not a target" of the FBI's investigation:

    "Hillary Rodham Clinton's attorney has agreed to provide the FBI with the private server that housed her e-mail during her four years as secretary of state, Clinton's presidential campaign said Tuesday.
    [...]
    The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target.
    The FBI's efforts have included contacting the Denver-based technology firm that helped manage the Clintons' unusual private ­e-mail system. [The Washington Post, 8/11/15] " ~ Mediamatters



    Donald Trump however, is going to trial for fraud.
     
  13. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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  14. FBI Director to Herridge: 'We Do Investigations, Not Security Inquiries'
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/11/fbi-director-talks-herridge-we-do-investigations-not-security-inquiries

    Call it an inquiry all you like. The FBI calls it an investigation. And yes, that investigation pertains as to whether or not Hillary Clinton broke the law. They're not simply, out of interest, reviewing what Hillary Clinton did as Secretary of State in order to, I don't know, determine how to better run the country? Is that what you think is happening?

    Also: California exit poll deviates 16% for Democrats, .07% for Republicans.

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/paulmitche11#!/vizhome/CapitolWeeklyDemPresidentialPrimaryAVExitPoll/USDEMPRIM

    I honestly don't think Trump's trial will amount to much as far as public opinion is concerned. My friend talked to a girl about Hillary's emails the other day, and the girl responded "I don't care about that." Well if people don't give a shit about national security, they're hardly going to give a shit about Donald Trump's character. Mostly this election is about "Who do you hate more". It doesn't really matter what either candidate has done.

    But if it does come down to Hillary vs. Trump and the media doesn't allow for any third party exposure, as I'm sure they won't, it will be hilarious to watch these two hang each other's dirty laundry out to dry. They're both pathetic.
     
  15. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

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    Nope. But I can make an educated guess.
     
  16. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

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    Nope. But do read the post again.

    It's about what Hillary did about the dicking.
     
  17. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    The problem is democrats forget that when Nader split the vote and they ultimately didn't rally around Gore, in 2000, we got the foundation that got us into the war on terror and debt and wide wage gap disparities.


    Democrats who repeat that process will end up with Trump as president and I'm certain we shall have a nuclear world war 3 on our hands.

    This is life and death to us my fellow humans.
     
  18. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    You can't be really certain about that as it is just not certain.
    I for one am not that concerned about a world war triggered by the US, but where it comes to meddling in foreign conflicts... that could be just as worse with Clinton as president.
     
  19. Meliai

    Meliai Members

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    In regards to the email investigation, the FBI has refused to state the nature of the investigation. So none of us can really say if it is criminal or not.

    They did make a move yesterday to qualify all emails as "evidence" in response to a freedom of information request.

    As far as foreign policy, I heard NPR (who has been kissing Hillary's butt for months) talking yesterday about how on paper Donald Trump's foreign policy is actually less interventionist and hawkish than Hillary's.

    Key word, on paper. Donald Trump is a bit of a loose cannon, yet we know exactly where Hillary truly stands on foreign policy because she was secretary of state.
     
  20. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Yes we can, at this point the FBI has refused to say that it is criminal:

    To say that it's criminal would be to presume that it is.
    I suppose that could change.
     

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