Clinton Vs. Trump

I'm against Hillary. Bush was bad. Hillary voted for Bush's war in Iraq and supports other interventionist wars. Trump was against the war in Iraq. Bernie voted against the war in Iraq. I'm confused on your stance here.

 

So Trump is causing lots of division between the establishment GOP and the GOP voters and destabilizing the Republican Party. Meanwhile Hillary cannot rely on Sanders supporters to Vote for her in the general election because plenty of liberals are fed up with establishment politics.

Both parties getting destabilized. I like where this is going.

 

I've thought from the very beginning that Trump was either going to turn out to be a plant designed to make an "establishment" guy like Bush look like a great choice in the primary or a plant by the Clinton's to make HRC look like the obvious choice in the general election. I was leaning toward the second option considering that he met with Bill, discussed running, was encouraged by Bill to run as a Republican and then he announced his candidacy. It's never been a secret that this discussion happened. If the plan really was to destroy the Republicans and make HRC look like the safe bet.....it would be working very well if not for her not being able to get her end of the deal done just yet on the Dem side.

 

Some ppl wont vote anyway because they know voting is rigged in the elites favour! (They get in who they want regardless of the results)

You forgot to tell us which kind you would

 

I'd choose Donald Chump, the trouser trump. But Sanders over the two.

Normally I'd choose Dem over Rep. But they're both Rep in reality.
Clinton is a significantly more psychotic one.

Actually when I've been drinking and want to throw up the following morning, I just imagine Hitlary Clinton with "come to bed eyes" at me.
That is enough to make me violently sick every time. Trump repulses me in numerous ways, but Clinton does in EVERY possible way.
Sad times for America.

 

I just posted about this in the Donald Trump thread, I should have saved it for this thread ...but yes I think this is very exiting. I hope we see both parties splinter

 

Yeah I just read your other post. I agree. In a way I was hoping for a Sanders victory in he DNC (it's still possible) and have Hillary run 3rd party. That would be a crazy twist wouldn't it? She'd totally do it too!

Then meanwhile the republicans will throw Romney into the race as a 3rd contender to try and trump the Trump. Making it a 4 way race.

Hopefully this is the year the country wakes up and makes the message loud and clear we are sick of politics as usual.

 

Maybe Bernie can win on a write in vote. You never know with this election. Of course it'll be a tough match up between the other popular write ins like Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.

 

Only the Electoral College gets to vote for those guys.

 

I truly believe we are seeing the end of our 2-party politics. Trump is a carny-barker; HiC jettisoned any principles she had for these few months in the sun. Media turn each election cycle into a tale of personalities & simplify issues into mindless soundbytes.

As Paul Meehl (Google him) wrote decades ago, we hardly "influence" who's elected, even when we vote for the winner. If I wanna vote for the best candidate, that name's rarely on the ballot. In the general elections, I've seldom voted for President; usually selected among state, local candidates.

& I still wanna know why, if building a wall (isn't there one there already?) across the U.S.-Mexican border is such a Trump obsession, that wasn't a task on his "The Apprentice?" As for HiC, she's shown that she can abuse, misuse any "office" she holds. & Both appear "entitled" to higher office: this campaigning seems to them an obstacle to becoming emperor. Good luck w/ that!

 

I simply cannot read Karen's threads and posts anymore.

 

I see no realistic reason why that would actually happen (on the short term). It would take a very big minority of the people at least. But... I want to believe!

I don't like the scenario this one paints but it is a realistic one that people already have a thought to spend on. That being said: what an impressive and meaningful addition you made to it. Much insight to take notice of here

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsjsU_yDyEs

 

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!

 

What you said in this last paragraph is not at all what you said when you first asked.

Let's chalk it up to miscommunication. In any case, I've provided an article in a publication which is generally very friendly to HRC. You are welcome to do further research on your own if you are dissatisfied. In any case, the quote is not coming from the National Review

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you sure you're not the one reading the National Review? Hold up the victory sign with both hands and say "He was not a crook"

Nixon was not convicted of any crime, and neither was HRC. In both cases, the only difference between a crime and their actions was that they were never convicted. Exactly the same.

Are you saying that she didn't receive millions of dollars in "speaking fees" from corporations like Goldman Sachs? 6-ES's post gives a link that states how much came from who for several years.

I believe that the federal standard for a contractor giving gifts to a government official is not more than $20 per gift and not more than $50 per year.

I'm guessing that $100 million is a little over that.

Presidential candidates should not be selling services to any corporations while they are either running for office or foreseeably running for office. They especially should not be paid 100's of times any reasonable valuation for trivial services.

By your standard, if a corporation went into the office of an elected official with a briefcase full of cash, and the official made woo-woo eyes, a $1,000,000 payment would not be corruption. It would just be a "woo-woo eyes" fee paid to the official.

Seriously, find me one other person on these forums who sincerely doesn't think that the millions in "speaking fees" raked in by HRC had nothing to do with influencing political outcomes, and I'll promise not to laugh in your face.

I've been over this before

and also here

How many times do I have to go over this?

I've also been over the "but-she-hasn't-been-convicted-of-bribery" argument more than once too, so don't make that exact same argument again

 

Which Hillary Clinton voted for. She has also called for a "belligerent" and "muscular" foreign policy.

The wage gap has been getting bigger for a while now. That hasn't changed.

I'd like to be clear about a point. Donald Trump is a douchebag. He is an obnoxious asshole. I don't want him to be president.

Rhetoric and what a president will actually do are often not the same.

This is allegedly a summary of an interview Trump did with Chuck Todd on Meet the Press:

Note, the source here is "the weekly standard" which strikes me as being a right-wing rag. However, I can't find a text version of the meet the press interview. Also, the article is attacking Trump for not being really against the Iran deal.

The notion that HRC is going to police wall street while also lining her pockets with campaign contributions is not credible.

Trump has flip-flopped on health care, initially supporting single-payer

 

Bloomberg is officially out. He says he was worried that as an independent he could inadvertently help Trump win, which he considers a worst case scenario.

 

From an outsider, cant vote , wont vote

seriously, the two front runners for arguably the most important political role on the planet and what do you offer.

Step up no 1

Donal (duck) Trump, really? ask yourself this, if you were a parent would allow this guy within 100 yards of your house. his TV appearances should have a child lock on them. Is this really the values youd want your kids growing up with. Fear, hatred, my penis is this big, The immigrants did it (seriously in a country made of immigrants, you couldn't make that shit up, am I watching the simpsons?) lets build a wall, oh yeah that works really well, Berlin? Northern ireland? Palestine? Ban the muslims, yeah and then who the F..k is going to buy your guns, 1.6 billion muslims and most of their countries are your gun customers. I could go on

Step up candidate no 2

Hilary Rodham Clinton. Best friend of Wall street and big business. funded by them so what will they be wanting once she gets back in the white house? More of the same s..t that destroyed the economy last time, more deregulation, more money to the 0.01% who already own 50% of all the wealth. Now I know all politicians tell lies but the idea is to have a good memory. Emails with classified stuff, "not me, oh sure but only a couple of thousand" "flew into an airport under sniper fire" Where i promptly shook hands with a bunch of school children who waited patiently on the tarmac for me. Give me a break and this is just the tip of her iceberg of lies. Financial scandals?, no space to put them all here.

Surely America actually has some candidates who espouses some decent family values. believe in honesty,
good education that doesn't bankrupt you,
healthcare that doesn't leave the whole family bankrupt by medical expenses if you get sick.
doesn't want to spend half the taxes it raises on foreign wars. Believes you should actually look after your vets when they come home with no legs etc.
actually wants to see a fairer distribution of the countries wealth and resources.
genuinely wants to see a prosperous USA not one where 80 million american are on food stamps and are fighting over scraps every day.

NO insteadyou have a loudmouth and a liar, you work out which one is which.

posted safely from outside the USA and watching with disinterest.