Who Was Jesus? He Definitely Is Not God

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by humanbeaing, Sep 23, 2014.

  1. Nikalaus

    Nikalaus Member

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    Okay. Divine or not divine? Who cares? Every great man in human history who dedicated his life to making the world a better place ends up executed for his trouble. Jesus, Gandhi, Che Gueverra, JFK, John Lennon, Martin Luther King etc etc etc. Dead in cold blood. Why ... WHY on earth does anybody seriously give any weight to this manical non-sense. Jesus and his teachings were meant to clean up the lies, bullshit, deception, and evil from this godforsaken prison.

    I don't care if he was the son of man, the son of God, or a son of a Gun. I still think its a good thing to be on his good side; and, to follow the example of these great men that history has left us.
     
  2. Sleeping Caterpillar

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    no he doesn't. Jesus never mentioned one thing in the bible, however many scribes wrote their alleged perspectives of him
     
  3. mohsin qureshi

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    The ‘Father-Son’ relationship between God and Jesus Christ is central to Christianity. Let us first try to understand what is the meaning of being a literal son. When we concentrate on the meaning of being a literal son to a literal father, things begin to appear which force us to revise our opinion of Jesus’ ‘sonship’. What is a son? During the period when science had not yet developed and discovered how a child is born, this question could only be vaguely answered. Ancient people thought it quite possible for God to have a son through human birth. It was a belief prevalent in almost all pagan societies in different parts of the world. Greek mythology abounds with such tales and Hindu mythology does not lag far behind either. For the so-called gods to have sons and daughters, as many as they pleased, was in fact never seriously challenged by human reason. But now science has developed to a stage where the process of human birth has been described in greater detail than ever before. This issue has become very complicated and those who still believe that literal sons and daughters can be born to God have very serious problems to resolve and some very difficult questions to answer.
     
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  4. Okiefreak

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    If a person can accept the possibility of a god, or believe that a prophet took a ride to Mecca on a flying horse, I don't see why people who believe in literal divine sons and daughters would have "very serious problems to resolve and some very difficult questions to answer." God can do anything, and who are humans to understand or question it? Virgin birth has been documented in Komodo dragons, and Zeus and Apollo had no problems taking human form and siring kids the usual way. There are reasons to be skeptical. Bart Ehrman, in his book How Jesus Became God, makes a case that the earliest Christians thought Jesus was either God's adopted son or an angel. (For a rebuttal, see Bird et al ,How God Became Jesus).
     
  5. mohsin qureshi

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    According to my faith, i do not believe on above mentioned statement.
     
  6. mohsin qureshi

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    In Islam, Mary is described as a pious and righteous woman who symbolizes righteous believers blessed with Divine inspiration. Islam then affirms the fatherless birth of Jesus and rejects outright the opposing claim that his birth was illegitimate.
    Whereas, Islam recognizes the virgin birth of Jesus as a miraculous event, it does not consider it unnatural; the laws of nature are never broken. It just reflects the inability of man to fully understand the science behind various phenomena observed in nature. Numerous scientists have explained the virgin births.
    In Islam, the immaculate conception of Jesus is not interpreted to mean that he was in some way a Divine Being. He was still a human being (Qur'an 19:31).
     
  7. mohsin qureshi

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    Divinity of Jesus
    Islam presents Jesus as a human who believed in the absolute Unity and Indivisibility of God (Qur'an 3:52).
    Muslims consider the doctrine of Divinity of Jesus and Trinity as later changes to the teachings of Jesus. The New Testament itself furnishes abundant evidence to show that Jesus was only a human being whom God chose for the reformation of His people, and repeatedly contradicts the Divinity of Jesus. Jesus always referred to himself as having been sent by God (John 17:3) and his followers, too, considered him a man approved by God (Qur'an 19:37; Acts 2:22, John 3:2).
    He was undoubtedly called the son of God, but this title has only been employed metaphorically and in fact is used for all the chosen ones of God (Matt 5:9, Exodus 4:22). The literal connotation of 'son of God' as a Divine Being and hence the subsequent development of Trinity Dogma was the result of Hellenistic influences on Christianity as it spread in the Gentile world. The Semitic usage of 'son of God' was misunderstood and forgotten and disputes about the exact status of Jesus erupted, as recorded in the early Church history.
    Jesus prayed to God like all other God-fearing individuals (Luke 5:16), and engaged in spiritual exercises such as fasting (Matt 4:2). Furthermore, Jesus lacked knowledge of the future (Mark 13:32), as only the Divine Being possesses perfect and complete knowledge.

    Mission of Jesus
    The mission of Jesus was confined to the Children of Israel (Qur'an 3:50, Matt. 10:5-6; 15:24). He was commissioned by God to revive the true spirit of the Torah in the hearts of the Israelites and clear any misunderstandings about the Law. He purified and revitalized Judaism. As Jesus was a follower of Moses, he did not change or reject the Mosaic Law. He had come to fulfill the Law (Matt 5:17).
    (ref: alsialm.org)​
     
  8. Okiefreak

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    My apologies. I think the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is said to have traveled from Mecca to Jerusalem (not to Mecca, as I originally said) on the flying steed. I actually agree with most of what you said. The Trinity is a difficult doctrine, incorporated into Christian creeds as a result of church politics. In its favor, it reflects the possibility that a single godhead could contain multiple aspects ("personae") . The Bible tells us that we are made in the image and likeness of God. We're single individuals, but modern brain research tells us that our brains are modularized to contain different personae somewhat comparable to Freud's ego, superego and id, or Jung's anima, animus and self. ( See Pinker, The Blank Slate, p40; David Eagleman, Incognito , p. 19,) Hinduism has a similar concept of the Trimurti as Brama (Creator), Vishnu (Sustainer) and Shiva (Destroyer). Staunch Jewish monotheists recognized Yahweh's Shekinah (Glory) and Sophia (Wisdom) as personified qualities. To reify these into separate entities would be polytheistic, idolatrous, and blasphemous but to treat them metaphorically might help in relating to the complexity of God. Christians believe that there is only one God, but he has three personae.
     
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