Why Atheism Is A Religion

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  1. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Jainism also doesn't have Deities
     
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    Because they've come to their senses
     
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    LOL...it refers to the fact that right before atheists die, they suddenly become believers.
     
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    Pandeism, Deism, and Taoism also considered nontheistic Religions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nontheistic_religions

     
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    So fucking what?
     
    Gongshaman, Jan 6, 2016
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    Because people, including yourself with your "sez you" comment, are trying to argue that a Deity is required for a Religion to be a Religion. That's fucking what.
     
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    I didn't make up that saying.

    Well with your "sez you" comment and now your "so fucking what?" comment, it appears that it is you who is lying to yourself if anyone is. Atheists are also lying to themselves because they know that their core tenet is a Belief. Some are willing to accept and admit it. The rest are lying to themselves about the truth of it.
     
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    I understand the apprehension. It's the same with the silly question "why would anyone choose to be gay?" Basically you're not allowed to, at least according to fundamentalists and other nosy busybodies. Similarly, "why do you have this religious belief that God isn't real?" which leads you "you need to forgive God and turn back before it's too late..." blah blah blah...This is what causes the neurosis and high jacking of science in both instances.
     
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    Also: I would admittedly feel very uncomfortable with a Muslim cleric doing a prayer to Allah for me in my last moments, especially if he expected me to go from "God isn't real" to "Allahu Akbar!" How annoying!

    BUT: that is because I have specific convictions against Islam.

    IF: a Hindu wanted to do a quick prayer to Shiva, I would consider that interesting, rewarding, and beautiful.
     
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    All I did was quote an intro to a song. lol.
     
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    Is atheism a religion? No - it's simply a negation of a whole area of human experience.
     
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    It's that simple. And there's nothing wrong with it on itself. Not even when it takes an antitheistic approach, which should also be tolerated (and can even easily be accepted, by me at least) as long as antitheists act normal on their convictions like everybody else is supposed to as well of course.

    OP however is focussing on certain developments in society (that are for a large part thanks to secularity, not just atheism) and a particular organized form of atheism that even has a church. This particular form of atheism however should not be theoretically unified with the majority of atheists just like that (because as China put it: atheism is atheism) who are atheist merely because they lack the belief in god(s). Which is the original and most common meaning of atheism. This basic form and original meaning of the concept atheism does not change because a minority of atheists fit the definitions of a religious group/religion.
     
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    If believing that no God exists is simply a negation of a whole area of human experience, then believing in God also doesn't consist of Religion and is simply a negation of a whole area of human experience, that being nontheism.

    It's also important to recognize that it's not just me making this claim, but other Atheists are also claiming that it's a Religion.

    And Theism exists much more on its own than Atheism does. Atheism's entire identity is reliant on Religion, God, and Theism, but it is not the case vice versa. Just check out an Atheism page. More often than not, it will be more focused on the fallacies of Religion than on its own doctrine. So how can Atheism simply be just a negation of something that it's obsessed with?

    Take for example, I just went to American Atheism's page, and what's the top headline that I see? Not anything about Atheism, but bashing of Religion. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462161670/alabama-chief-justice-orders-state-to-enforce-ban-on-same-sex-marriage

    second article http://www.rawstory.com/2014/12/parents-rip-mom-who-complained-about-school-bible-handout-youre-outnumbered-here/

    I could keep going...

    So why does Theism exist more independently than Atheism? Does this prove the difference between the two? Yes. Does it mean that Atheism isn't a Religion? I wouldn't say so, it just makes it a bit of a more lame Religion, as it can't even stand on its own two feet properly.
     
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    They can claim what they like - it doesn't mean it's either true or relevant.

    And if they do make such a claim, it's just a kind of copy cat thing. It shows how attached they are to the whole concept of religion.

    I prefer to talk about spiritual paths rather than religions. Certainly, atheism isn't that.

    Everyone is entitled to their own view. If they become too militant and begin to cause trouble, that's another matter.

    Good to observe at least one person who can look at these issues in a dispassionate way, given the amount of anger one sees in these threads.
     
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    A narrow minded person with an axe to grind probably.
     
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    Whatever you say. It's also not relevant whether you agree either, as international Atheistic Churches are being erected globally right now. Doesn't seem like that that aspect is going to go anywhere anytime soon, but is merely on the rise.

    I prefer to talk about Spiritual paths, too, but they frequently get shat on by the Atheists of the forum, which there are lots of it seems. This thread is my own response.
     
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    I'm not defending you, Irmi (just to clarify). I also thought there was no valid justification for that remark or the conclusion he makes. So I'm interested in his explanation of how he got there. Now it seems he's mainly disgusted by his own projections. Rather hopeless :p

    If you do not feel offended (which is easy if you're not the one who was targeted) it is far easier to maintain patience ;)


    Preposterous way of formulating or stating things. We do not know why he put Irminsul on the ignore list exactly, it seems he doesn't put anyone who disagrees with him on there otherwise you and me would have been on there ages ago. Why make a fool of yourself because he irritates you so much? You go declare war all you like. Nobody should and probably won't give a shit.
     
    Asmodean, Jan 7, 2016
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    Why should it bother you? Ignore them and get on with your own life and your own spiritual path.

    I do agree though that it's become difficult to have any discussion of anything spiritual on these forums without it getting dragged down to the level of bickering between those who say yea and those who say nay.
     
    BlackBillBlake, Jan 7, 2016
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  39. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    This thread has become nothing but a flame war. Okay, both sides hate each other. We get it.
     
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