Psychedelic Bump XXXIV

Yeah here as well. Although I rarely visit the headshops these days I can't say I ever saw amanita mushrooms there. But here in the netherlands they banned most psychedelic mushrooms (I used to get my shrooms just from the store!). I did got a worthy trip out of the psychedelic truffles that was the best alternative. They usually go by the name 'philosophers stones' or Psilocybe tampanensis and I certainly recommend them

 

Yah I've heard of them, never tried them. You find any qualitative difference in the trip compared to Psilocybe Cubensis?

 

The last time I was on acid, I got baptized in the concert wading pool at What The Festival by a few cross-dressing nuns with scraggly beards. It was the most unholy waters you can imagine. I'm so going to hell.

 

I had a 60mg 4-aco-dmt experience last weekend. Holy shit the leaves looked amazing. So many vibrant colors and I could see the life leaving the environment. Not in a bad way more in a circle of life way. I knew that was how it had to be. If I looked hard enough I could see the "soul" of tree even though it had no leaves. It's hard to explain but it was very real.

I was tripping hard for a solid 8 or 9 hours at least. A few hours in out of nowhere I had a strong desire to vomit that only lasted a minute if that but other then that no side effects. This has convinced me that the Psilocybin itself can cause sickness not just the eating of the mushroom. 4-aco is not Psilocybin but I have been told by someone very knowledgeable in chemistry that exposure to oxygen turns it into that. So I consider 4-aco to be lab mushrooms.

 

They're supposed to be a bit less intense. Which they were the first couple of times. Last time I tripped on truffles I underestimated them because of those previous times which were fairly mild compared to my shroom trips. It was pretty much like a shroom trip from the start. Another difference is that a truffle trip has far less chance on giving you visual alterations. Essentially it seems like this though: if you eat enough it will be very similar to a magic mushroom trip.

On that last time I felt pretty confident what to expect so I ate it all without hesitation. But this box (forgot how much grams it contained) had only one big truffle in it. Like the size of a huge potato. I ate it out of hand like an apple Previous times it was just a bunch of little truffles.

 

GB - You're the second person I hear on the psychedelic bump say amanitas were a decent time. I have thought about trying them, and apparently you can eat them fresh as well as dried.. just haven't taken that plunge yet. I have found lots of wild ones though. One day, one day..

Unfocused - Sounds like an awesome 4aco trip! I find mushrooms to teach me a lot about the circle of life/cycle of a day/way of nature etc. Interesting that it was an 8-9 hour experience though. I always felt it to be a bit of a shorter trip, closer to mushroom length. But there was lots of 4aco of variable quality back when I tried it, so who knows if it was maybe degraded or something..

 

Hello psychedelic bump thread! My my, it has been some time it has... I too enjoy Amanitas, but not in excessive amounts (to avoid gastrointestinal issues and cramping etc.). Very mellow and pleasant time. Interesting experience, I wouldn't necessarily describe them as "classic psychedelic", but they did have interesting perspective changes/alice in wonderland effect on top of the intoxication. Never had much luck with truffles, perhaps I was buying off the wrong supplier or they were really up-sold. As for 4-AcO-DMT, I find it much stronger and much more worthwhile (money wise) than mushrooms themselves, but not straying away from the whole atmosphere they have. I'd say it's bordering on being as intense as LSD in mindfuck and visuals. I haven't noticed much of a fluctuation in quality from my sources, although maybe one time it seemed a little less potent/discoloured than the other batches I had received. My supplier also sells degraded material cheaper so there's a clear difference between the two.

Haven't gotten around to tripping much lately because of my studies, although I did indulge in some AL-LAD recently because I have a rather large stock of it and there's plenty to go around. I describe AL-LAD as Lucy's teenaged kid that has the right idea at heart, but hasn't fully matured into acid yet. Very much like how it doesn't completely fry me out because it doesn't last as long, but at the same time, I find a couple hits to wear off faster than I'd like them to. Anybody else experience AL-LAD lately?

 

So the night before last I finally got to try my holy grail; 2CB.

My friend and I each started with 22mg. After only 20 minutes or so we got a fantastic body high. After another hour or so not much else was happening and we took 10mg more. I'll make it short. We each took about 60mg of 2CB, 250mics of LSD, and 250mg of MDMA. It not once felt overwhelming and was a very pleasant and gentle, albeit very intense experience. They all blended together beautifully. It was one of the most beautiful experiences I have had. After my last 15mg of 2CB I proceeded to throw up in the back yard, this went on for the full peak of the experience which was about three hours. It never hurt nor was unpleasant. I was just in the backyard, throwing up and enjoying the weather. I got a lot of time to meditate on the year I've had. I had a traumatic experience in Janruary 1st, which led to about 4 months of schizophreniform. By the end I couldn't take it and I purposefully overdosed. I survived and a couple weeks later I was in treatment for my stimulant problem. Since coming out of the schizophreniform and have pieced together reality for the most part I am left with the Post Traumatic Stress of the whole ordeal. Treatment was the first big step in processing everything that ha happened. This trip was the next big step. You know how you vomit the bad that's within you in a Mescaline/Ayahuasca experience. Well throwing up for three hours really helped me process everything. Since the trip my depression has started to wane, haven't experienced the stress, anxiety, or intrusive thoughts of the experience since. I finally feel human again. I finally feel like I don't have to live in fear of my unchangable past. That without it I wouldn't have gone to treatment, I'd sti be using or dead and am lucky to be where I am today.

There's beauty in my life again, and I am incredibly fortunate for that

 

Wow, haha. That sounds pretty amazing. That is one proper combo of psychedelics!

I remember puking once when I did mimosahuasca some years ago, and it felt like the most amazing purge. I've never had that again, but I totally understand where you're coming from. The purge can be a great gift sometimes. (On the other hand, alcohol purging can be some of the worst physical sensations I've felt, haha).

 

yeah, i LOVE those types of CEVs from LSD. the last time i dosed (also two hits), it wasn't quite strong enough from OEVs, but when i closed my eyes, things got pretty insane! at the time, i went on a verbal rampage trying to explain the things i was seeing to my friend. such beautiful stuff, i wish i could paint it.

....and that brings up some other stuff i discussed with my friend on our recent trip. anyone probably could paint it...the thing is, you just really have to WANT to. it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to do things like that. you can probably DO pretty much anything, but it's all about how much you really want it.

we also watched videos of Bob Ross painting on our trip. that was a fucking hoot!

i kinda know what you mean about the tree's "soul." i recall examining a particular tree under the influence of some psychedelic, during the winter, and thinking about how fucking tough that tree was. it was so stoic, just enduring the harshness of winter - day, after day, after day. bark peeling and cracking, deep fissures throughout...but no big deal for that tree. he was just biding his time.

i'm pretty knowledgeable in (bio)chemistry myself, and i would hesitate to call 4-aco-dmt simply a pro-drug of psilocin AKA lab mushrooms. the acetyl group of 4-aco-dmt could make it more apt to cross the blood/brain barrier (according to wikipedia)

or, it could be that 4-aco-dmt is broken down into 4-ho-dmt (psilocin) just like 4-po-dmt (psilocybin) is. but not all acetyl groups are necessarily removed in the stomach, like maybe the one on aspirin.
maybe 4-aco-dmt, when taken orally, does get converted into 4-ho-dmt. but i still don't think they are the exact same drug. if one were to inject 4-aco-dmt for example, it should cross the blood/brain barrier and act as its "own" drug.


but with all that said, how strong did you find 60 mg as compared to a dose of mushrooms? i've dosed 45 mg of 4-aco-dmt and it was probably stronger than any of my mushrooms trips at 4 grams or less.

 

As strong as 1/4 or more of good mushrooms.

 

^^^it doesn't feel at all different than mushrooms to you?

4-aco-dmt hits me a bit faster, which could be explained by eating a pure compound vs. one inside mushroom flesh.
but the character of the trip seems different to me. the visuals are more like DMT than mushrooms for me. this could be dose related, as i have probably dosed higher on 4-aco-dmt than i have on mushrooms. haven't tried either of them more than a handful of times.

what was your highest dose of 4-aco-dmt prior to the 60 mg one?

 

80 mg at a festival. I had taken a few hits of LSD the day before but 80 was still a lot. It does remind me of DMT but its still very shrromy to me. Like I always get the Alice In Wonderland feeling on both 4-aco and Psilocybin. Like where you feel 20 feet tall or something seems really small. It still takes about the same amount of time for me to start tripping with either. But that's like 20-30 minutes on a a empty stomach so not too long either way.It's interesting 4-aco is quicker for you.

 

Mushrooms hit me so quickly. Definitely surprised me the first time....like within 20 minutes. 4-AcO in my first trials were rather quick...about 30 minutes but then when I tried a new batch probably a year later is was this extremely gradual 80 minute comeup. I'd have to look through my old reports to get an exact time for all my 4aces trips but I thought it would be a little more consistent. I usually dose on a pretty empty stomach too.

 

Even with some cross tolerance, 80 mgs is an extremely high dose for 4-aco-dmt, particularly in a festival environment. Definitely a dose for hardheads.

 

Bump for 150 mgs 5-mapb + cannabis. It is a weird experience, I feel like they switch between synergizing really well and then kind of work against each other. It's definitely a light dose of 5-mapb for me, I think I need to dose it higher like MDMA.

 

I dunno, 4 aces leaves me feeling dry and depleted and mushrooms don't. I find 4 aces to hit faster and harder also.

 

For me, these substances (DMT, 4aco, mushrooms) result in similar visuals, especially things outlined in beautiful starry lights. DMT can go pretty far beyond that, though.

 

Bump for my highest Dose of 5-MAPB at 200 mgs. I like this dose quite a bit, the clouds looked absolutely amazing earlier, large and fluffy, prompting some minor Pareidolia or interpretation of images. This is certainly nowhere near as warm or 'happy' as MDMA, but it feels pretty clean and is enjoyable. There is a slight sense of whim here , reminiscent of Mescaline and the music enhancement is interesting, definitely unique. I am going to throw some Cannabis into the mix later.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours for those celebrating it!

 

Sounds interesting GB! I'm curious, how pushy is the experience?

I always find mescaline to have a cleaner and better euphoria than MDMA specifically because MDMA can be so pushy at times. So thus I wonder where 5-MAPB lies in respect to that side of the experience.

Hopefully some cannabis did you well!