Illegal Alien Slays College Student At 7-Eleven

You are speaking to my 1-liner about slavery. It makes my point. I never suggested that slavery was unknown to the Europeans who had already enslaved their own people for centuries. But when you consider the efforts to end slavery in the Americas, the bulk of the effort began in New England even before the American revolution. Once the nation was wrested from England the efforts to abolish slavery increased considerably, owing to the newfound freedoms of the American charter. Unfortunately the new US was unable to simply flip a switch and say slavery was over. The nation was still fragile and such a decision would have likely caused economic ruin and the US might have remained no more than 13 colonies.

My problem with the "All white people are illegal aliens" mantra is the blatant racism behind it. People who spew this sort of rhetoric aren't interested in moving on. They prefer to instead harp on how they are different from and superior to the evil white devils. Hating people for their color is hating people for their color. Using a sliver of history to justify hatred creates hate without end. A constant conflict.

 

You are correct George, it is blatant racism. At the same time, I cannot blame my Arapaho, Navajo, Sioux, Assiniboine, Blackfoot, Flathead, Nez Perce, and Miami friends from feeling the way they do. They keep telling me, "They took everything from us. They took our country!"

 

Which is unfortunate. The people saying this today never owned it. So I see this as little different from the few people I see in Georgia still waving their confederate flags.

I wonder if the native population would have fared better had the Chinese arrived first.

 

PREAMBLE TO TRAIL OF BROKEN TREATIES 20-POINT POSITION PAPER
AN INDIAN MANIFESTO
RESTITUTION, REPARATIONS,
RESTORATION OF LANDS
FOR A RECONSTRUCTION OF
AN INDIAN FUTURE IN AMERICA
THE TRAIL OF BROKEN TREATIES


We need not give another recitation of past complaints nor engage in redundant dialogue of discontent. Our conditions and their cause for being should perhaps be best known by those who have written the record of America's action against Indian people. In 1832, Black Hawk correctly observed: You know the cause of our making war. It is known to all white men. They ought to be ashamed of it.
The government of the United States knows the reasons for our going to its capital city. Unfortunately, they don't know how to greet us. We go because America has been only too ready to express shame, and suffer none from the expression - while remaining wholly unwilling to change to allow life for Indian people.
We seek a new American majority - a majority that is not content merely to confirm itself by superiority in numbers, but which by conscience is committed toward prevailing upon the public will in ceasing wrongs and in doing right. For our part, in words and deeds of coming days, we propose to produce a rational, reasoned manifesto for construction of an Indian future in America. If America has maintained faith with its original spirit, or may recognize it now, we should not be denied.
Press Statement issued: October 31, 1972


TRAIL OF BROKEN TREATIES
20-POINT POSITION PAPER

 

Here's a clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv65ZGHbtlA

 

Well, there is historical evidence that the Chinese Navy did arrive in California long before Columbus landed in Hispaniola (Dominican Republic Today), and there are native tribes in California that have Chinese words in their language. The Chinese were after Jade, and it seems they mined it just south of Big Sur. You say "never owned it" and I disagree with that statement. Just because the Natives did not record deeds with some court in London England it does not follow that they had no ownership. Under International Law THEY OWNED IT. International Law is real and all nations are required to follow it; however, America routinely disregards it. International Law has the BLUE WATER CLAUSE which clearly defines when a people are rightful owners of their country. Under International Law there is THE TERRA NULIUS CLAUSE which defines A LAND THAT IS OWNED BY NO PEOPLE, and the FAULKLANDS may qualify for that status, as well as ANARTICA, because no one lived there. In the case of America, people lived there and even if they used the land as hunting and gathering grounds, they qualify under THE BLUE WATER CLAUSE as rightful owners. Don't forget, they were rounded up at the point of a Springfield Rifle and marched on to reservations in Oklahoma and other places. And that was the case of the lucky tribes. Some other tribes did not get reservations granted by the US government. Some tribes were altogether exterminated, leaving no one to put on a reservation. There were native tribes who had permanent villages with real houses, meaning not TP or Wig Wams. Tribes like the Cherokee still have written languages. And by the way, the original Cherokee language is written from right to left, just like Arabic, Aramaic, and Hebrew.

 

I'm speaking of the people talking about it today. They never owned it. Even the reservations are not as "owned" as one would think they should be (which I think is absolutely wrong). The root of this though is that I take exception to the hateful idea that Americans are "Illegal Aliens". The only people who "own" land are the ones who can effectively defend it. Once defense is gone, land is taken. As for the Chinese, maybe they should have stuck around. Would they too be lamented for "stealing" the land? Another fruitless argument is all that would bring. I feel that nobody has a right to lament today's people for centuries-old events. It's wrong to hate people for things they didn't do.

 

" way, the original Cherokee language is written from right to left, just like Arabic, Aramaic, and Hebrew"

Oh no! the Mormons are right



" I feel that nobody has a right to lament today's people for centuries-old events. It's wrong to hate people for things they didn't do."

Some of it isn't centuries old or even one. And as was said a couple posts back they have been getting fucked long after and their culture and way of life was destroyed. They still had Indian schools designed to do just that not to long ago.
People should be judged by their personal actions. but the pink man has a history that's hard to forget. Can't change what our forfathers did but the whole pretending it didn't happen or justifying it that most people in genral seem to do. Is very wrong. It was genocide.


"My problem with the "All white people are illegal aliens" mantra is the blatant racism behind it."

How about all white people are anchor babys

I would say that
This has gone off topic quite a bit but this thread has been more about racism than the actual event. So many people so happy that this evil wet back was killed. McMinnville has a lot of agricultur around so it has a lot of Hispanic people (both legal and not) who are an intricall part of the community and for the most part cause less problems then the drunk or gacked white people.

 

In general, you seem to want to understand other people's perspectives and what merits there might be to their claims even if you disagree. I respect that about you.

 

Everybody came from somewhere else, first. Indians included. I have Iroquois/Cherokee, Choctaw, Ute, Inuit, and Blackfoot in my family.
Why can't we all just get along? No one benefits from the fighting.

 

Thanks, that is nice of you! I try to be like that but I'm not sure if I always succeed. I've grown tired of the way any kind of debate is always presented as a very black and white issue. What is the point of debate if some kind of common ground, or at the very least a mutual understanding, is not reached?

 

If you think they never owned it and don't own anything, because they live on reservations; then, we have a problem. I don't buy the idea that Native Americans "never owned anything", and White Folks can take anything they want. The English speaking people have taken most of the world. The British used to say the sun never sets on the British Empire. They took Australia, New Zealand, Gibralter, and Kuwait from Iraq. Cecil Rhodes named a country after himself. The Native Americans did a good job of defending their own country for a while; but, were out-gunned by the Whites. Being able to out-gun someone does not translate into a right to take what belongs to another. Chief Little Turtle of the Miami did a good job of handing the US Army its first defeat at Fort Wayne, Indiana. That is why there is no Miami reservation in Indiana. They were punished for defending their homeland. I agree with you that hate of another, because of their color or race is wrong. Justice is another issue. Justice is a remedy for a wrong condition. The Blacks, The Natives, The Mexicans, and The Muslims deserve justice for what has been done to them, and taken from them. War so far has been for the immoral transfer of wealth.

 

All good to know. And none of it justifies hating a race of people because of past events they had no control of. So people spewing this "white people are illegal aliens" bullshit are noting more than racist troublemakers as far as I'm concerned. I personally can't imagine hating a race of people over shit they didn't do.

 

George, I never said that I hated your race. I am a Caucasian of Semite heritage. The main thrust of what I am trying to say is that these minorities deserve restitution. The Black Folks were promised restitution by the American government and never got it. Every single treaty with the Native Tribes has been broken. In the case of the New York Tribes, President Washington himself signed a "lease" for two hundred years of The State of New York. The American government never paid the tribes rent money and never respected the lease. The American government just took New York from the rightful owners who had lived and hunted there for hundreds of years. These facts do not say "THE WHITE RACE" is exclusively culpable. These facts say the minorities who have been abused deserve restitution. Let's stay focused here.

 

I guess the solution would have been to adopt the strategy that ancient civs employed and they should have completely obliterated every vestige of the culture(s), killed all the males and exported all the women and children back to Europe as slaves.
It sure worked in ancient times to take land and make certain there were was nobody left to remember or complain about it.

How do you think the 10 lost tribes of Israel became lost? They fell victim to the above methodology.

 

You have to consider though, that while the native americans alive today didn't directly have their own land stolen frm them, they still live in pretty horrible conditions today compared to the average white person. I doubt they "hate all white people" as you seem to think for some reason, but instead are angry about their current situation, which is very much tied to what happened in the past.

It's easy to say let it go when you aren't the one still suffering the consequences.

 

When I hear "white people are illegal immigrants" it sure doesn't sound like love. Racism is racism no matter who is spewing it.

 

I think you are reading more into it than was intended. I took it more as just a sarcastic quipp that plays off the current issue of illegal immigration.

If he had said " white people are genocidal, theiving psycopaths", then I would say it's not fair to hate all white people for the atrocitys of the past.

 

LOL, I think we need a mod to transfer some of these posts over to the columbus day thread.

 

Would "Go back to Europe" count?