Illegal Alien Slays College Student At 7-Eleven

I going to assume you are american, as most here are

Have a read up on history before the War of Independance. There is almost 300 years of American history before you even get to the War of Independance. The native americans during that time were hardly walked over, sure they were there first, but they were pretty brutal, and pretty brutal to each other

The Spanish War of Succession meant that in the colonies the Indians were allies with the french against the british

But basically you have about 270 years of history before the War of Independance of the British, French, Dutch, Spanish and Native indians fighting over stuff.

The Dutch were actually the first to bring slaves to america. Many of the original quakers were germans. Several attempts to outlaw slavery by the Puritans, Quakers and early American colonists, later repealled usually out of economic necessity from british taxes as a result of what was going on it the rest of the world at the time, the British going to war with France or Spain

Even those Native Americans themselves likely first immigrated from Central Asia, so they were basically Siberian immigrants

 

What exactly does this have to do with obama, or reforming our insane caste-like immigration system?

"an immigrant did something bad"

So?

 

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I understand that. It took my in-law nearly 3 years to acquire citizenship despite getting married to a US citizen. It was a lengthy process and it required sensless amounts of time, lots of paperwork, a background check, and an exam or two. The process is time wasting due to government inefficiency, and yes I think it could certainly use improvement. My in-law did manage to work a job legally with a work visa. It does take lots of time and effort, but people who are willing to devote themselves put the time and energy toward applying for a work visa or becoming a citizen is the type of people the US should welcome. Not the anchor babies and the illegals.

If the nation is too light on illegals, they'll come here to comit a crime and return to their country outside of US jurisdiction.

I posted this thread because this event disturbs me being it happened so close to where I use to live and express myself. And my wording choice was selected to rattle a few cages :devil:

 

No, no they will not come here to commit crimes and leave.

Also, again, what does that have to do with this situation? That doesn't seem to be what happened at all - someone with issues came here, and acted like anyone else with issues, and was apprehended.

In general, people who come here are ambitious and brave, and their worldview is much more positive (for them and for society) than people of the same socioeconomic status in the US.

 

I live in Australia. The illegal immigrants here arrive in boatloads of hundreds of people at a time. They are mostly apprehended and kept in detention camps (in limbo) for years. It is sad. They risk their lives trying to get here because their homelands are at civil war or in extreme poverty and we treat them like crap. We have the land and the resources to take more.

 

Anyone ever been to that shit hole called Mexico? Not difficult to understand their wanting out. " Give me your poor, your tired,etc---- yeah--right.

 

What other nation allows people to simply walk across the border without being immediately labeled as a criminal and arrested? In most of the world it's illegal to do this. Why is the US expected to be the exception? The REAL answer to that would be very telling.

As to presidents, the greatest was the first, George Washington. He refused to be a king. That changed the world. Obama is a marionette, little else. Like Carter he makes the US look like a nation of wimps.

 

Have you given this any actual thought? Have you given any thought to the unusual lengths of the borders with Canada and Mexico?

Seems to me that the European Union countries pretty much all allow anyone to walk across their borders without penalty. Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK. Am I wrong?

 

Lots of nations do.

In fact, it may be an international crime to turn them back, in some (many) cases - but we only talk about those cases when they're on the other side of the world, not when we're doing it, like most of the international law that we set up in the first place - do as america says, not as america does.

 

I am curious to know which "lots" you speak of. And how the US is not living up to the narrative. Most Americans are not isolationist racists moments from joining the klan and are instead very welcoming of people from around the world. Look how the balance of the population is shifting in the US. There's almost a celebratory feel to the reporting of how white people in the US are a declining segment of the population and will no longer be a monolithic majority. But that was the design for much of US history. Why is that so readily forgotten. Americans are a composite of the rest of the planet's people.

Still, I think the rule of law is also important. When we ignore one set of regulations, it opens the door for others, like the abuses of the 14th amendment that have become common for people as far away as China. Most nations allow immigration as a way to improve their nation and to build upon it through assimilation. For some reason in the US that doesn't seem to be the desire. The plan seems to be to fill the borders with many disconnected groups that will likely never assimilate more than a few percentage points and exist as virtual sovereign nations. That sure wasn't part of the plan.

I often wonder how the country would vote on this if it were ever offered to the public. But I doubt that will ever happen. Both political parties have the same interest in driving the US like a money machine. Most Americans are wage slaves, serfs to about 4% of the nation, the wealthy owners of every watt, drop of fuel or grain of rice. They will never let Americans vote on this issue. Look how they drive our name into the dirt with manufactured wars and international meddling. I wonder if the demographic shift will drive a change in this? Or will we end up with a 12 sided civil war like they have in Libya? As they tool up for a rerun of the Toyota War.

 

Then you didn't read my post, because I listed "lots" of countries that let people walk across their borders.

 

That is not Bob Marley. That is Jimi Hendrix!

 

You are correct, I was wrong at saying "people". I should have said "Americans".

 

What the guy did was fucked up. But It has come out locally that they had a confrontation before the stabbing with lots of slurs from the college kid. So it was not just a random attack as the news reported. The family of the Mexican guy is suing the city and police department. Their own dash cam footage shows the cops involved lied. (Search McMinnville 711 police dash cam on YouTube ) they murdered him with his hands in the air. Shootin him 15 times with disregard for the houses behind him. Doesn't justify him stabbing the guy but this is America you are supposed to have dew process.

 

This post sounds more like an Obama bashing than a true news report. In Logic class at a real university they would tell you that your thought pattern is a slippery slope argument. There is no connection between Obama's executive actions and what happened in this incident. You say there was no valid reason for the crime; however, you do not know that, and the cops may have not published that information. There are lots of killings of immigrants by right wing nut jobs, in all states. There are lots of killings by Americans in other countries. A Native American friend of mine always says, "All White people in America are illegal aliens."

 

Well thats just a load of bullshit. Do you know how many first generation immigrants I know here in Canada who told me they tried first to get into the US legally? It was nearly impossible so they gave up. And it is a lot more expensive and difficult to get from Latin America to Canada than it is to get to the US, so it's not like that's an option for everyone. The people going to your country illegally are desperate, not mean spirited.

 

I realize it's a popular position these days, but it's also trying to squeeze centuries of history into a simple cause-and-effect slogan. It ignores the indigenous tribes who fought the Aztecs shoulder to shoulder with the Spanish. If such a broad brush stroke is to be allowed, it would be just as easy to say that Europeans ultimately ended centuries of human sacrifices and slavery in the Americas. Not all of the conflicts were about conquering. Some were just alliances just as some of the territory now called the US was actually purchased, not "stolen".

I think trying to take jabs at today's "white" people for the deeds of the centuries is patently wrong. Dredging up all of this is like putting a social anchor around our necks. I can't imagine fostering multi generational hatred toward the Moors, Germans and Italians who at some point screwed over people in my lineage centuries ago. Who'd I go after? I don't hate the Japanese for shooting at my grandfather. It just seems so pointless to keep driving these ancient issues and trying to tie centuries of shit into a tidy little 1-liner.

BTW, tell your friend I said thanks for acknowledging that it is indeed America! I don't know another nation I'd want to be part of, though I wouldn't join a club that'd have me for a member!

 

I get what you're saying but the US and Canadian governments are still in violation of many treatise to this day. If you look at how natives were treated, all the way into the 70's and really to modern day, you might understand why animosity towards white people can still persist.

As for human sacrifice, you can't lay that on the north american tribes, and in fact, part of the migration to the north american continent is known to have been from the south and may have been for the very reason of getting away from the mayan and aztec rooted blood cults of central and south american.

 

Dear George,
I like you and I like your post, for you have told me without insulting me, and the trend of insults on these forums occurs all-too-often.
In my Colorado there is an old gold mine that was operated by the Spaniards. In it the skeleton of an Indian was found, still chained to the wall. The European Spaniards used the natives in slave labor, just like the white southerners used the negros in slave labor. At the Slave Museum in Washington DC there is a letter that was written by a slave to his family back in Africa. The letter is in the Arabic language, and very well written, by an educated man. I read every word and it left me crying. The government of the United States did purchase a bunch of land around the Mississippi river and up in Alaska; however, it did not pay the rightful owners. America paid the other occupiers, not the natives. The natives were bought right along with the property and the mineral rights. Consequently, we can see history has been very unfair, for your people, for my people, and for the natives, and negros. The best thing humanity could do is to learn and move on.