National ID card

Discussion in 'Politics' started by green_thumb, Dec 21, 2004.

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  1. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

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    hey, I also don't care for Nazis. Does that make me sick too? What about if I don't care for Republicans or Democrats? How about rednecks? I don't get on too well with them either...
     
  2. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

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    I didn't say I hated them. I just don't care for most of them. I never thought they were out to get me. And I have made plenty of contact. I used to live near an area infested with them. Settle down everyone, just kidding about the "infested". I worked with many this summer too. Many, many instances of my own and others have allowed me to come to this conclusion. I don't dislike all of them. Some things are obvious, I don't need to say there are exceptions. I dated a Hispanic a few years ago. I prefer Native Americans. Is it wrong to prefer one race over another? I really don't think so. I love Native American culture. There are distinct differences between races, it's not wrong to prefer some and not others. I don't really like (American) black culture, -rap, their way of dress, etc. I'm not racist. I just don't feel the need to keep quiet about my likes and dislikes.
     
  3. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    I realised Green thumb that others may call you a rascist it was not evident from your initial post .. that you are a perfectly reasonable person.. I am sorry if i gave you any diffrent impression ,

    I have to agree , its just that sometimes saying what you like with out the rationale you have expressed since .. makes it difficult to understand.. i should know i do it myself all the time :rolleyes: .

    You don't see that even if you were born in a country or imigrated legaly or ilegaly .. Having irafutable proof to who you are and the fact you are intitled to the benefits you may be asking for .. is not a good defense to ANYONE abusing the system. I agree that the system should work for us, but people tend to piss all over the system don't they warranted or unwarranted ?. I hope that the information that the goverment already has on people is collected togetether and the information used more effectively . If this is not the cas , yeah its a waste of time .. The civil liberty issue has gotten more outdated the more decades people use it (for anything that puts them on any kind of 'sysytem') ...
     
  4. yogi for peace

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    It would help with border control . . .

    but so would a lot of other things that could be implimented with a lot less threat to our rights as citizens and less opportunity for abuse.
     
  5. superNova

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    you choose to be republican or democrat. you don't choose where you were born.

    it's so funny when people make a statement like "i don't like mexicans" and in the same breath say "i'm not a racist."

    but anyway we really don't need to get into this. there's nothing i could say to you that's new, nor anything you could say to me that i haven't heard before. i don't really feel like having a recycled discussion, i was just shocked when i read that. sorry.
     
  6. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

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    I know they don't choose to be Mexican, but they choose to be rude and that's my problem with them. I don't like rude people regardless of where they are born, I just have noticed that Hispanics seem to be inconsiderate more often than other people. I know it is prejudiced in a way to assume most Hispanics are going to be rude even before I meet them, but I think I would be right more often than not. I just don't have much in common with them and when I say "I don't care for them", I'm not saying I hate them or wish their race should be exterminated. I'm merely saying I don't often hang out with them and I don't think I ever will.
    I don't know why what I said was shocking to you.
     
  7. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

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    Yeah, it was just an off-hand comment, I didn't think people would even read it. I don't go out of my way to avoid them and I'm never rude to them. By saying what I said, I just meant I wouldn't like living around them and probably wouldn't be friends with any. Just like I don't form friendships with dumb bimbos who only care about clothing and how they look and guys, etc... These are people I have nothing much in common with and I don't care for them.
    Thanks for understanding.

     
  8. Angel_Headed_Hipster

    Angel_Headed_Hipster Senior Member

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    "EVERYTHING you do can be tracked if someone wants to...toll tags can locate your car by satellite, customer value cards track your purchases at cash registers, credit cards track your purchases, insurance companies track your health care, banks and credit bureaus track your finances, library cards track your reading, etc, etc, etc. The government doesn't have the manpower (now) to track much of anything without good reason, but the private sectore does, and they do..."

    Yet we can't find bin laden....bullshit...

    Peace and Love,
    Dan
     
  9. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    hahahaha what a wonderful way to think.. but you do have to 'care' a little or you just get abused by people that jump up and down and throw wild claims at you .. i am sure your not bothered , but imho you need a bit of a response to things i think ... because we all end up having to explain ourselves in the end.... but still hahahaha what a wonderful way to think.

    I was thinking many years ago banknotes were just about hand written or printed prety crudely , and these were accepted and nobody had a problem ...?? Problem was, forgers thought wow how easy would it be to hide behind peoples trust and naivety , lets print some off ourselves.. Now we have the most sophisticated bank notes imaginable , but even so these are still forged and abused . Unfortunatly the days when we could just say my name is ? and this would be accepted is long gone .. Nobody seems to have a problem with the poor old peice of paper and a bit of ink denoting the value and how it has become a peice of intricate technological peice of workmanship ?? So ??? i realise we are not bank notes but any form of better (hopefuly) deterant to forge our identity must be looked at , not with disgust and a insult of our integrity , but a sign of the times ?.
     
  10. yogi for peace

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    I don't think though, that just because everything can already be tracked and traced if they really want to, means that we should allow it to become that much easier and allow it to be used/abused on a much larger and more efficient scale than it already is.

    Not saying that that is what you were implying, but I have heard people say that before. "Oh they can already track everything, who cares". just my 2 cents.
     
  11. element7

    element7 Random fool

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    Unfortunately that attitude of "It's going to happen anyway" is exactly what they want.

    ... and green_thumb ... I swear the term "waiting with baited breath" could apply here. I understand more of where you're coming from now, but why didn't you come out with all that to begin with? Discussing likes and dislikes of certain cultures is sure to bring heavy responses, especially with such a short and seemingly ignorrant) statement to begin with.
     
  12. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

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    I honestly wasn't trying to elicit an argument of any sort. I didn't think it through. I recently had a discussion about the topic with a friend and that was probably why it was on my mind. Anyways, all anyone needs to know is that my feelings on this will never affect them or anyone else. I'm not overly concerned with Hispanics, I'll never spread dislike for them or whatever. It's just something that is in my mind and will remain there.
     
  13. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    You know what you need to do Green Thumb? You need to find the Mexican restauraunt in your town that pays the lowest rent, it will probably be tucked in the corner of that run down old strip mall from the eighties, go in there with a friend, pick some random stuff on the juke box, and have a full three course dinner starting with chips and salsa and ending with sopapillas. Just watch the people in there (don't stare), chat with the waiter (don't worry, they probably speak english) and try one of the Jarritos (the limon flavor is my personal favorite). I promise, you will walk away with a better understanding of a unique culture, or at the very least a full belly.
     
  14. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

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    Why would you think I haven't done that? Well, I haven't played Mariachi music..I don't like it. Look, my attitude is a common one, most people who are not Hispanic don't wish to live in a predominately Hispanic area. Just like blacks wouldn't care to live in a predominately white area and vice versa. I've been to many Mexican restaurants and some bars, it is not me who stares... Oh yeah and Hispanic girls are quite possessive of their men, they don't like you to even be in their presence.

    What you need to do is not worry about how much I like Mexican culture. Why do you care so much? I don't have the same tastes as you, try not to be so upset about that.
     
  15. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    Why do I care? Because people need to learn to live with people who are different than them. Every time someone draws a boundary, someone gets hurt. Racism isn't about racial slurs, it's about silently drawing lines, leaving people out of your society, and removing yourself from their society. It's about being afraid of someone because you don't understand them.

    I am white, and I live in a fairly small town that is about 35% hispanic. I don't particularly like Tejano, Mariachi, or Latin Hip Hop music, and I don't really live like most hispanics do, but I have never had any problem living around latinos. For years I have lived on the same streets as latinos, they do their thing and I do mine, and when I meet them in the street I say "Good morning" and they say "Good morning" back like any other neighbor, and we go about our business as usual. I just think that the world would be a better place if more people shared that attitude.
     
  16. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

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    Well, I'm glad that it works so well for you, but you live in TX where I'm sure your communities have meshed for quite a bit longer than they have here and other places I've lived. Where I am now, it is not even an issue really and that's how I like it. I think you are imagining my feelings on this to be far more significant than they really are. When I see a Latin American I don't think anything different than if I see a white person. But if I were looking for apartments I probably would not choose one in a predominately Hispanic area. I don't have to feel bad about that, I'm sure they feel the same judging by the way they congregate.
    No one is getting hurt I assure you. I feel much more animosity towards Bush-supporters than Mexicans and I don't even start trouble with them (usually:)).
     
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    I like Mexicans, and I AM one -- though 3rd generation American too.

    But take a look at Green Thumbs Gallery and you'll see why Mexicanas might be "possessive". Gorgeous!

    I bet gringas get possessive when Green Thumb is around too.


    {Two smaller thoughts:
    [1] Green Thumb also looks like a Nazi Babe.
    [2] I don't care much for mariachi music either -- BB King is way better.}
     
  18. Gabino

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    But I bet you like to live in areas where Bush supporters live:) .
     
  19. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    Give green-thumb a break, why don't you ?? gee whiz ... i think she has explained enough..


    Neither have i , neither do i :p

    How charming (not) .... how completly un called for.

     
  20. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    *gives Nobel peace prize*

    *claps and claps some more*

    :rolleyes:
     
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